United Macedonia Diaspora

[Risto the Great]

At least they are consistent in their contradictions.

UMD, a charitable organization, also has a policy that we do not
support/oppose political parties any where

I distinctly remember a moment where Meto said "the Macedonian Government wants it, we have to support them".

But while we are talking about contradictions, I note a recent press release from them denouncing some of these extreme Albanian aggressions. I also recall them celebrating the peaceful coexistence that has stemmed from the Framework Agreement once upon a time. None of it making sense to more rational people in my opinion.

[TrueMacedonian]

It seems that having Vinozhito around in 2007 and 2008 was ok for the UMD. I am positive there are more press releases hanging around from 2009 and 2010 about Vinozhito in the UMD archives.

Eugenia Natsoulidou's past remarks are all over the web. It is evident she is not only against Vinozhito but also puts them in a class of racists with the "Golden Dawn".

Quite un-remarkable are Meto's claims that these were "oversights". 4 changes are not oversights. They are intentional ways to avoid using the name "Vinozhito" so as not to upset Eugenia.

[Phoenix]

Quite un-remarkable are Meto's claims that these were "oversights". 4 changes are not oversights. They are intentional ways to avoid using the name "Vinozhito" so as not to upset Eugenia.

I think you totally underestimate the pathetic incompetence of umd, their Board, Advisory Council, "worldwide" representatives and their "charitable" nature...

[United MKD]

How many screw ups/contradictions can one organisation have? So many hidden agendas. George Vlahov's last e-mail said it perfectly - incompetence!

[Vangelovski]

The latest example of UMD incompetence has been moved to its usual place.

[Chiche]

Where's Chiche to comment on this? What sort of language does he think would be appropriate for this debacle? Does he consider UMD usefull Macedonians?

Here I am SWEET HEART, The UMD, Were very irresponsible with the omission of very pertinent FACTS! If it was ignorance we should forgive them, but I must say, intelligent people should never be so Wrong. You ask are they useful, well if they work to Deny the existence of our Name, People, our language and our Lands, NO they are not, that would make them Traitors to the Macedonian Soul. Can we teach these people what is right and wrong?? It appears yes as they did correct the Press Release, can we change what is in their Hearts, "Only time will tell".

[Vangelovski]

that would make them Traitors to the Macedonian Soul.

What's with the 'name calling' Chiche - that contradicts your philosophy.

[Chiche]

You must copy and paste the full sentence Lad! I did not call them Names.
"if they work to Deny the existence of our Name, People, our language and our Lands, NO they are not, that would make them Traitors to the Macedonian Soul"

This makes you as bad as them, the UMD, Lad! missing important facts.

[makedonche]

Here I am SWEET HEART, The UMD, Were very irresponsible with the omission of very pertinent FACTS! If it was ignorance we should forgive them, but I must say, intelligent people should never be so Wrong. You ask are they useful, well if they work to Deny the existence of our Name, People, our language and our Lands, NO they are not, that would make them Traitors to the Macedonian Soul. Can we teach these people what is right and wrong?? It appears yes as they did correct the Press Release, can we change what is in their Hearts, "Only time will tell".

Chiche
Thanks for your response! I used this as an example because the parties involved are well educated, prominent figures claiming to be acting in the best interests of all Macedonians. On many occasions their inappropriate conduct has been discussed with them and questioned in detail, great efforts were went to in order to get a clear and distinct message across to them in a civilised and orderly manner - on many occasions. My question to you now is "how many times do we speak to them nicely without profanities or name calling"? At what point do you dispense with the niceties and start calling "a spade", "a spade", how much damage do you allow them to do before you cut the cancer away from the rest of the body?

[Phoenix]

Chich you need to get off the fence, you've got so many splinters stuck in your arse that they could plant you in the Belanglo State Forest...

[Vangelovski]

You must copy and paste the full sentence Lad! I did not call them Names.
"if they work to Deny the existence of our Name, People, our language and our Lands, NO they are not, that would make them Traitors to the Macedonian Soul"

Chiche, the context is there for everyone to see.

There are no if's and but's. You just did exactly what you have spent weeks lecturing us about - calling people who work against Macedonian freedom traitors. If there was still someone out there that hadn't realised you are a fool yet, I think they've well and truly come to that conclusion now.

[Chiche]

Chiche, the context is there for everyone to see.

There are no if's and but's. You just did exactly what you have spent weeks lecturing us about - calling people who work against Macedonian freedom traitors. If there was still someone out there that hadn't realised you are a fool yet, I think they've well and truly come to that conclusion now.

I thank you for your comments, your attitude towards me and so called other "Fence Sitters" is not conducive to good relations amongst Macedonian People. A person who works against the best interests of our people is a TRAITOR!!!!! a PERSON WHO PUSHES AWAY Macedonians who are of good Heart can also be considered a TRAITOR!!! Open up that Educated Mind of yours and allow it to absorb other peoples opinions, you do not have to agree with them, Just Listen! Reply in a civilized way. A Fool is a person who does not listen, not a person who does not agree. A Macedonian can be a Traitor and still be Macedonian-Just a despicable one!!! Opp's Name calling

[Vangelovski]

I thank you for your comments, your attitude towards me and so called other "Fence Sitters" is not conducive to good relations amongst Macedonian People. A person who works against the best interests of our people is a TRAITOR!!!!! a PERSON WHO PUSHES AWAY Macedonians who are of good Heart can also be considered a TRAITOR!!! Open up that Educated Mind of yours and allow it to absorb other peoples opinions, you do not have to agree with them, Just Listen! Reply in a civilized way. A Fool is a person who does not listen, not a person who does not agree. A Macedonian can be a Traitor and still be Macedonian-Just a despicable one!!! Opp's Name calling

Chiche, you name called, accept it and deal with it and stop pretending that you have some logical explanation for it. Even better, show us how you will unite with Victor - we're still waiting for that one.

[Chiche]

Well done Vangelovski, show the world how petty you can be!!
Victor as you have named him seems to be a moderate type of Macedonian, some of his ideas I may not agree with but as far as I am concerned we have created an environment of Mutual Respect, We have United. Does that explanation suit you Lad??????

The UMD SAGA!!!!! To my virgin eyes, it appears, it is more of a personal problem amongst a group of people who were once united! We all make mistakes, do we condemn all who err to the Anti-Macedonian scrap heap?? If we do there will be no one left, even you my friend, Vangelovski.

[George S.]

chche yes how are you going to convert victor.Don't forget you are on a forum & we all have to follow forum etiquette..I think people that want & say they want a change for the better might have some hope.But they would be in a far more worse condition if they are trying to hoodwink us with pretend games..Chiche this cxould be the hour of redemtion if you fail then you'll let the others down if you succeed you may be some knind of hero.No one said the road to saving macedonia is an easy one.We have to be all united for the common good.The cause & being focused on it have their part to play,Also converting the mindset to a freedom from tyranny & slavery plays its part.
Tom has given you a lot of good ideas & suggestions That you could adopt & use in your conversion of victor.