Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

[fyrOM]

It might sound…I don’t even know what word to use…nice…to say the blame exist with all Macedonians but I do not agree.

This situation reminds me of a couple of Croatian guys I new a long time ago bitching and moaning about a free Croatia. Like I said to them then things will only get done by people on the ground. It was only when the Croatians stood up on their own feet did the leave Yugoslavia.

The diaspora can make support but cannot do the changes…it is always the people on the ground who can and hence lies the greatest responsibility. Is the burden inequitable…yes. Is it fair that it is so…no…but that’s how life is.

[makedonche]

Just as a thought. If Macedonia agrees to a name change, will we in the Diaspora hold all Macedonians in Macedonia responsible for this treachery?

Interesting question.......my thoughts have always been that you are either a part of the problem or a part of the solution.
Having said that we seem to be a part of a problem not of our making and beyond reasonable ability to be able to instigate a solution.
Firstly, all Macedonians will be responsible if the name is changed - it is uanacceptable to avoid responsibility for the maintaining of our identity or for allowing it to be changed. The level of responsibility is a variable that should be measured by the capacity of the individual to prevent this happening, for example, I do not hold the disabled responsibile in any way if thay are incapable of taking any action. Therefore it is incumbent upon every capable Macedonian to prevent this happening according to their ability to take action.
I don't believe we can or will hold every Macedonian responsible in Macedonia for allowing this to happen.

[Big Bad Sven]

The alarm bells should be ringing pretty loud for ALL Macedonians right now no matter where they live. Its a question of are we going to give a fuck and stop our spineless politicians from selling us out, again, or are we going to capitulate and do nothing, again.

Once the name has been changed then it would be extremely hard for Macedonia to get it back, just look at the pathetic state of affairs with our original flag and the ohrid agreement...

If the name change does happen, i will blame all Macedonians, but i would be extremely disappointed if the Macedonians in the republic don’t go out with a fight or express their concern, just like what happened with the flag.

Its funny because it seems like history keeps on repeating itself in Macedonia, lets hope its not the case for our identity.

[Phoenix]

Macedonia's Government Must Cease all Negotiations with Greece. Macedonia - one and only. Macedonian identity, people, language - one and only.

How about you put that message into a press release, express your total disgust that Macedonian politicians are attempting to sell our name and capitulate to the demands of our enemies.

Do something with conviction for once...instead of showboating on forums.

[Phoenix]

This situation reminds me of a couple of Croatian guys I new a long time ago bitching and moaning about a free Croatia. Like I said to them then things will only get done by people on the ground. It was only when the Croatians stood up on their own feet did the leave Yugoslavia.

The croats never needed you to lead the way, they've always known what they wanted, they've always pumped shitloads of dollars into supporting their movements but what have you done OM...?

Seems as though everyone is good to offer advice but when you ask them to dig deep into their pockets and to put the money where their mouth is they turn mute...

[Frank]

Who do we hold responsible? the Macedonians who are the keepers of our Homeland or us who continue to choose to live outside of the Republic?

Instead of looking to whom or what to be accountable we are all responsible although I doubt nothing more then the locals making change happen.

I can say if the Government do the unthinkable and the Macedonians more importantly are idle to it I will never accept ever returning to Macedonia again unless there is a armed revolution.

[Volk]

This statement was obviously for EU consumption, just like for local consumption they say we will not change the name.

Its funny how so many of you take every statement seriously after 20 years of the same bullshit.

[makedonche]

This statement was obviously for EU consumption, just like for local consumption they say we will not change the name.

Its funny how so many of you take every statement seriously after 20 years of the same bullshit.

Volk
That may be true, but have you noticed the terminology has altered, the times lines are closer together between announcement and proposed meeting?

[Risto the Great]

This statement was obviously for EU consumption, just like for local consumption they say we will not change the name.

Its funny how so many of you take every statement seriously after 20 years of the same bullshit.

I don't think the bullshit has been the same for 20 years. It has been getting stickier and smellier over this time. Nothing to be proud of since independence in my opinion.

[George S.]

that's right you can't blame everyone.Those that are going on with the negotiations will be responsibleThere's aalways hope so don't give up hope,look at the way greece is falling in a heap as it's defaulting on payments to the eu.

[Vangelovski]

This statement was obviously for EU consumption, just like for local consumption they say we will not change the name.

Its funny how so many of you take every statement seriously after 20 years of the same bullshit.

What would be funny, if it wasn't so sad, is your complete disregard for all the capitulations to date and your focus on the one that has not yet happened regardless of the evidence that it is extremely likely.

[Bill77]

This statement was obviously for EU consumption, just like for local consumption they say we will not change the name.

Its funny how so many of you take every statement seriously after 20 years of the same bullshit.

I understand what you are saying and have previously said similar things.

But this latest announcement has sent shivers down my spine.

Volk
That may be true, but have you noticed the terminology has altered, the times lines are closer together between announcement and proposed meeting?

Mabe this is my answer why i have shivers.

[George S.]

regardless of what happens we can still call ourselves macedonian.But those stupid politicians who cave in to pressure will be traitors.

[Risto the Great]

But those stupid politicians who cave in to pressure will be traitors.

What about the stupid Macedonians that:

• Voted for the ruling coalition.
• Voted for the opposition party who clearly has been ready to capitulate from inception.
• Didn't vote because they did not want to encourage any politicians.

[George S.]

shoot them before a firing squad for selling out.