Ljube Boshkoski - The Traitor

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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13675

    #61
    Шо праиш бе Вардарец, доста време помина, каи се скри ебаго, и ти да не сакаш да бидиш кандидат

    In response to what you wrote about Ljube Boshkovski,
    #1 He is no enemy of Albanians, he was just fighting to protect the integrity of the Macedonian state and merely bla bla.

    He has become a total coward since he is back. Does he forget who exiled, killed and raped the Macedonians from Tetovo and Tetovsko. He himself is from Tearce, a village from the Polog region.
    I think given his background situation prior to the lead-up of these elections and the perception of all interested observers inside and out of Macedonia, he is being diplomatic here. I don't think it would be right to speak negatively about anybody at this moment (especially the Albanians) as it will 'confirm' the thoughts of those who already believe he is some kind of 'extremist', hence damaging his chances for becoming president. He also makes it clear that he is not expecting any kind of support from the Albanians, his actions may tell a different story if elected, I guess time will tell.
    #2 He has been talking for a name change - "I took the 'glory' to go to jail, this government will take the 'glory' to change the name".
    This is what he wrote in response to the following question, "Кој Ви прави опструкции?"
    Не можеме денес да зборуваме дека не даваме да се промени името, да зборуваме за античка Македонија, Александар Македонски, за Хунзите, а да заборавиме на реалните проблеми. Овие теми треба да им ги оставиме на историчарите, а да се фокусираме на решавање на проблемот со името, што ќе ни овозможи влез во НАТО и во ЕУ, доаѓање странски инвестиции и итн. Како што мене ми припадна честа да бидам хашки затвореник, на оваа Влада и' припадна честа и одговорноста да го реши проблемот со името.
    There is clearly a sense of antagonism towards Gruevski and VMRO-DPMNE, and clarity with regard to the above statement from him is required, namely, what his solution to the name issue is. Do we have his thought's on that?

    Also, is there anything at all that can be shown as proof of his existing 'ties' with that bugaroman runaway Lubcho?
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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    • Вардарец
      Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 122

      #62
      Ја преседател бате, отиде Македонија

      Батка, he says that Albanians should see a friend in him, that the mediums have presented a wrong picture about himself etc. Believe it or not, it is the same way like us seeing a friend in Ahmeti & co. Albanian would never vote for him, never. I don't demand neither i wanna see that he openly speaks about hatred towards the Albanians, but it's funny seeing him seeking friendship from them. By these 'speeches' and interviews he is giving, he is just loosing support from the Macedonians, as i have stated, NOT EVEN A SINGLE Albanian would ever vote for him here. It's like us voting for Ameti or Taci.

      Buddy, you know that Macedonia's only obstruction for EU and NATO entry is our name. Boskovski that our focus should be there. Change the name, be sheeps and let historians discuss about history?

      I've been following his statements closely. I am stupid because i don't save everything i think it's of value for analysis later. From what i know (mostly media and interviews) Boskovski stance on the name issue is the same as Crvenkovski, although on the public 'gatherings' and speeches he never speaks a word about it.

      About that boogaroman, haven't heard anything recently, but a google search says that there is a connection between them : LINK

      I respect your view SoM, but in what i actually believe is that we don't need a sheep(Crvenkovski, Gligorov) for a leader - those ones care only about themselves. We don't need a wolf (Gruevski with his cunning politics), i believe we need a lion like brato Ljube used to be.
      For the glory of the Hellenes! Abandon orthodoxy and join your true religion! http://www.hellenicreligion.gr/... Zeus awaits you!

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      • Soldier of Macedon
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 13675

        #63
        I would still like to get a clear-cut statement where he indicates that Macedonia should change its name, although the fact that he has said that Не можеме денес да зборуваме дека не даваме да се промени името......,doesn't reinforce much confidence.
        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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        • Bratot
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 2855

          #64
          Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
          I would still like to get a clear-cut statement where he indicates that Macedonia should change its name, although the fact that he has said that Не можеме денес да зборуваме дека не даваме да се промени името......,doesn't reinforce much confidence.

          заговара помека позиција за решавање на прашањето со името

          from the standpoint of the actual goverment. What does this tell you?

          From the previosly posted interview by me in the Focus magazine.


          Point one, you will never hear a clear statement from him where he indicates a name change.

          But you will never hear also, a clear statement where he says there NOT gonna be a name change.
          All of the politicians are liying bastards and phoney patriots.


          Point two, he BETRAYED all Macedonians, especcially those who took part in the conflict 2001.
          Urging for POLITICAL instead of legal JURUDICAL decision on the 4 Hague cases for war crime against Macedonian civils, is wretchedly low from a person candidate for a President of Macedonians.

          Now very seriously,someone should reconsider for which purpose he got back to Macedonia, after Hagues release.



          All of our politicians are local puppets for other interests. Lets not fool ourselfs ok.
          The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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          • Volk
            Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 894

            #65
            Hey guys, here is the latest interview, I have not read it yet..


            But here it is nevertheless:
            Makedonija vo Srce

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            • Soldier of Macedon
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 13675

              #66
              That's the one we're discussing Volk. It doesn't seem very convincing on the part of Ljube Boshkovski.
              Originally posted by Bratot
              Urging for POLITICAL instead of legal JURUDICAL decision on the 4 Hague cases for war crime against Macedonian civils, is wretchedly low from a person candidate for a President of Macedonians.
              Bratot, what does this mean in practical terms?
              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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              • Bratot
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 2855

                #67
                I really don't think I need to explain further, no use of it if you are politically attached.
                The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                • Pelister
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 2742

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Rogi View Post
                  Georgija Atanasoski is the one who donated the statue of Alexander the Great to his home town of Prilep.

                  He tried running as an independent Presidential candidate once upon a time (1994), but he unfortunately didn't get the required amount of signatures in time.

                  Before that, he was one of the founders of the World Macedonian Congress and was elected President of its' North American chapter in 1992.

                  From 1996, he is the founder and President of the political party "Makedonska Alijansa" (Macedonian Alliance).
                  I like the sound of him

                  Anyone doing work at the coal face, which puts the rest of us to shame while we play arm chair politics - has my support.

                  Pustec is in Mala Prespa right?

                  If I was a millionaire I would be giving Todor Petrov and this guy my money because it would go to Macedonian organizations in the diaspora - because they are putting their own personal money to defending and preserving and advancing The Macedonians. Think about who else has done that in history. The true Macedonians, mortgaged their house (Pop Berovski, 1878), or sold their land or cattle (Dedo Ilija Maleshets), for the Macedonian cause, so these guys are the greatest patriots Macedonia has.

                  Actually speaking of the Macedonian diaspora, what the fk has UMD done for Macedonians in the diaspora (i.e., Albania, Bulgaria and Greece) at the coal face ?? The poor Macedonian diaspora in Albania does not realize that there is an organization in the West, which is willing to sell out their nationality.

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                  • Rogi
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 2343

                    #69
                    The reality in Macedonia today is that he who has the Albanian vote will most likely win the Presidential election.

                    This is because, as we get into the second round of Presidential elections and there are 2 Macedonians to chose from, that means both those candidates have received between 300,000-400,000 votes each (on average) and the difference between the votes is usually less than the number of voters in the Albanian voter bloc - so the Albanians end up being the deciding factor for the second round of the Macedonian presidential elections.

                    This is why, Ljube Boskovski is making statements to 'ease' the Albanians. He knows they won't be voting for him, that's definite, but his goal would be to ease and reassure them with words so that they are no longer motivated (as they are) to go out and vote against him (regardless of whoever is the opposite candidate).

                    If he doesn't do that, he can't win the election because the difference in votes between the votes for VMRO-DPMNE's candidate and SDSM's candidate for the Presidential elections is usually close.

                    This might be a 'different' situation, given the high popularity of VMRO-DPMNE and non-existent popularity of SDSM, but at the same time, SDSM still has some 250,000 party faithfuls who will vote for them, whilst VMRO-DPMNE has 250,000 - 300,000 party faithfuls who will vote for them and the rest is up to the swing voters / undecided voters (for the first round) and then up to the Albanians (who become the deciding factor, unless the unlikely scenario that voter turnout is HUGE) for the second round.

                    That's election campaigning. That's what Ljube Boskovski is doing - or else he definitely will not win.

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                    • Pelister
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 2742

                      #70
                      In that case Georgija doesn't stand a chance, yet.

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13675

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Bratot View Post
                        I really don't think I need to explain further, no use of it if you are politically attached.
                        Bratot, I really do think you should explain further as your statement requires clarification. You speak as you know about the subject, so I am interested in your elaborations.

                        I was under the impression we are having a discussion here, am I asking for too much, or have you just made an assumption about me and my apparent political 'attachments'?

                        What was it you said to me in the other thread about Ohrid, 'share all the info you have', yet now on another topic I am seeking information on you apparently don't 'need' to explain further?

                        So again I will ask you bate, oti site sme tuka da ucime od eden do drug zaedno, tell me what this means in practical terms, as it doesn't sound good and I would like to know the extent of how bad it is.
                        Urging for POLITICAL instead of legal JURUDICAL decision on the 4 Hague cases for war crime against Macedonian civils, is wretchedly low from a person candidate for a President of Macedonians.
                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • Demos
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 325

                          #72
                          Originally posted by sydney View Post
                          what message would the election of boskovski send to those outside of macedonia? i agree with jankovska, i feel undecided on this one.

                          Macedonia appointing a person accused of war crimes and standing trial at the Hague would be a massive debacle politically. It would move Macedonia into the realm of a pariah state.

                          This guy should not be involved in politics. Gruevski should tell him to stay out of public sight.

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                          • Soldier of Macedon
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 13675

                            #73
                            But isn't Gruevski just as bad? So who is he to tell him that? Your opinions resemble the fluctuating actions of a whore Demos, make up your mind.

                            The man was found NOT GUILTY. Case closed.
                            In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                            • Demos
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 325

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                              But isn't Gruevski just as bad? So who is he to tell him that? Your opinions resemble the fluctuating actions of a whore Demos, make up your mind.

                              The man was found NOT GUILTY. Case closed.

                              It doesn't matter. You don't just pick guys off the street, accuse them of war crimes, and send them to the Hague to stand trial.

                              Feel free to make him President though. It serves Greek interests because other's will view it in very bad taste. Perception is reality...

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                              • Soldier of Macedon
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 13675

                                #75
                                He wasn't 'picked off the street', he was framed by opposing political parties and traitors of the Macedonian state. All he did was defend his country, there is no evidence tying him to any crimes he has been accused of. So by all means, lap it up, whether it is Ljube or somebody else is not my concern at the moment, I want what is best for Macedonia, and I believe Macedonia needs a solid leader right now.

                                Once this is all done and dusted, my people will still be the same Macedonians speaking the same Macedonian language and identifying with the same Macedonian identity.

                                You will remain a mere 'Greek', and a laughing stock in years to come.
                                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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