Originally posted by Onur
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I have also asked you this - If possible, could you explain the good(benefits/positive experiences) the Ottoman occupation had on the Balkans?
What are your thoughts on the European rennaissance, and age of knowledge/enlightenment?
I have recieved no response, so why should I answer you?
You bring this Maniate story on the table as a "proof" of Turks never fully controlled Greece
The Turks, at times throughout their 350 yr reign in the Morea, didnt have full control of southern lakonia, and the maniates retained some semblence of independence....thats all im saying....do you disagree?
Let`s accept this Maniate story as a truth and they revolted to the Turkish Empire for centuries.
Then answer me why;
- Turks couldn't assimilate the Greeks in Istanbul and Aegean Anatolia? Why Greeks in Istanbul can speak ancient Byzantine Greek accent today while your fellow Maniates and all other Greece inhabitants never spoke this Greek tongue??
- or convert Turkish speaking Orthodox people of Karamanlis to Islam? Probably you don't know, Turkish Sultan even published Turkish bibles for them to contribute their religion. Read the book named "Karamanlidika" written by Greek author named Evangelia Balta to see the pictures of these bibles or come to Turkey to see it in the museums. Evangelia Balta is a descendant of Karamanlis ofc, since she got Turkish surname.
- or why we couldn't teach Turkish to the people of middle-east in 700 years while French achieved it in Algeria in period of 60 years and British did same to India. You know french is Algeria`s 2nd official language now.
- or why we couldn't convert all other Balkan people to Islam and force them to speak Turkish only?
Im sorry you had to go to the trouble of writing all that out Onur (although Im sure you were dieing to), as i have little interest in the stories you write above. Im not denying what you say, and nowhere did I state that the Turks wanted to assimilate the southern greeks.
I was just responding to your statement that no blood was spilled between 11453-1821, and that small areas in southern lakonia resisted/rebelled/held out.
Do you disagree?
I can write more examples but this should be enough for you to understand.
I wonder whats your response to this? You gonna say that it didn't happen cuz everyone resisted vs Turkish assimilation and Turks never fully controlled these places as well???
I suggest you to put aside your Turkish hate
and accept the historical facts.
If you cant do that, stop assuming what I think and putting words in my mouth!
You shouldn't force yourself to invent exaggerated fairy tales like Maniates
Also, I did not 'invent' the Maniates, they are an actual people....I am one
or you gonna end up saying Ottoman Empire never existed in the end???
Are you feeling alright Onur?
P. S: One more important thing. I found your behavior vs current Greek citizens as very discriminative and absurd.
What does it concern me what you think....go tell someone who cares , and stop parroting what SoM says (no offense to SoM, who is actually very sharp)...be yourself.
What do you care if I 'discriminate' against other greeks or not?
Greeks in Aegean Anatolia and Istanbul always regarded Greece inhabitants as peasants and Greek-like speaking mixed people throughout history.
I consider Turks to be dogs....do you care?
Also Greek population was always much higher in current Turkey than the ones in Greece `till 1924. They were speaking real Byzantine Greek language while inhabitants of Greece never knew this tongue and their Greek language was so different.
Do you know greek?
Explain to me the differences in that case, outside the normal dialectical differences all languages have.
Different language, lol.
So, they were real Greeks and you weren't
so in their eyes but now, you call them as traitors and weaklings
Whatta change of history. It`s full of contradictions, right?
Thanks
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