In Video Part 4 that gentleman speaking looks like my Uncle LOL
Kalash / Hunza tribes & the Burushaski Language
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostThey claim descent from Alexander's army, who were overwhelmingly Macedonian, and not Greek. If they have preserved some customs or stories that were left over by the soldiers, writers, engineers, architects, etc, good luck to them. To try and paint them with an 'ethnic Greek' brush is wierd to everybody aside from yourself.
"It has long been known that the Kafirs themselves claim a Greek origin, or at least that some, amongst the many tribes represented by the name of Kafir, claim this distinction"
The geographical journal,1896.
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostI am still waiting for you to corroborate your earlier statement, where you claimed that Greeks are building schools to teach the Kalash in their own language and not Greek.
As regards their language,most linguist that studied the languages of Kalash,Hunza,Burushaki e.t.c say they are closely related to Hindu and other similar languages of the vicinity.However some say there are certain words that derive from Greek:
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"What high honour do the Macedonians deserve, who throughout nearly their whole lives are ceaselessly engaged in a struggle with the barbarians for the safety of the Greeks?"
Polybius, Histories, 9.35
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Are you greeks all dumb or stupid? Maybe you guys miss the gene of hearing loss but in the 4th video that gentleman not once refered to being greek origin but Macedonian..............oh right i get it! he pernounced it Makedonia so you guys jump to the gun this guy is Stavros Makopoulous your great great great cousin twice removed but inbred family member.
Let me ask you you wanted to know about my aunt what about yourself Agamoi Thytai Are you a greek? Vlach? Turk where are your family from.Makedoncite se borat
za svoite pravdini!
"The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
- Goce Delchev
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Originally posted by Makedonetz View PostAre you greeks all dumb or stupid? Maybe you guys miss the gene of hearing loss but in the 4th video that gentleman not once refered to being greek origin but Macedonian..............oh right i get it! he pernounced it Makedonia so you guys jump to the gun this guy is Stavros Makopoulous your great great great cousin twice removed but inbred family member.
Originally posted by Makedonetz View PostLet me ask you you wanted to know about my aunt
Originally posted by Makedonetz View Postwhat about yourself Agamoi Thytai Are you a greek? Vlach? Turk where are your family from."What high honour do the Macedonians deserve, who throughout nearly their whole lives are ceaselessly engaged in a struggle with the barbarians for the safety of the Greeks?"
Polybius, Histories, 9.35
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Guys just think about it for a bit…
Firstly they are said to be decedents of Alexanders soldiers so that means their mother were locals so the did not have only a Macedonian experience growing up let alone the next generation ect.
we are talking about nearly 2 and half Thousand years ago. Like in Europe how many people crossed this bit of land or that in the time frame.
Then should we not expect huge differences to exist.
I get the feeling some are trying to promote them as Macedonian while other are feeling their identity being hijacked.
I’m not saying lets rename them Macedonians. They are their own identity but would it be such a bad thing if this identity had Macedonian roots.
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Doesn't this somewhat strenghen the Macedonia culture in seeing another culture that has deep roots of Macedonian past. I know its been a long time but this lets the world know Macedonia did exist and we are totally not what greece hasd propagated and exploited about our culture.Makedoncite se borat
za svoite pravdini!
"The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
- Goce Delchev
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Also how much influence or traffic would these people have had since Macedonian empire arrived? What cultures would of passed through the himalayans etc? just curious as their features are interesting just like the Amazonians who have been excluded from civilization of man. Maybe the Kalashwere too?Makedoncite se borat
za svoite pravdini!
"The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
- Goce Delchev
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Originally posted by Agamoi ThytaiNow most Macedonians here say that we bribe them to claim ancient Greek origin.However they alredy did so long before the Greek-Macedonian name dispute started
There are nowhere shown Kalash pupils having Greek classes.
However some say there are certain words that derive from Greek
Anyway, here is one of their websites:
In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Interesting how you spell Pylaia,Salounikj <--- with a j i take it then your turkish or Pondi? Surely you are not 100% Greek. Don't kid yourself thats like saying there are leprachans alive todayMakedoncite se borat
za svoite pravdini!
"The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
- Goce Delchev
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something i found intriuging
Macedonian Kaval
Kalash iquivalent Kaval (Fairy Tales songs)
Notice the girl @ 1:09 seconds their features sure are striking seen some pics the girls are attractive
Kids Dancing to some Kalash Gajda
Last edited by Makedonetz; 12-16-2010, 01:17 AM.Makedoncite se borat
za svoite pravdini!
"The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
- Goce Delchev
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sorry for the late responce, my Burushaski Friend
Burushaski - Makedonski (+ some explanation)
araba - trkalo, kolce (but! araba-dzia / araba-djia is master for wagons, those old wagons pulled by oxes or other fee, and ofcourse, they had wheelsi guess the usage of araba is somehow "forgoten in modern Macedonian)
salaatin - salata, salatka (marula)
pupo - pupo, pupu, pupones, pupunes, pupunec
päci - placki, pljacki
fesho - krusha
tal - gal, galab, gulab
de´karan - gradina, dekar (deka ran = where the food is, where the food grows)
kitili - kotel, kotli, koteli
khareti - korpa, kara (kara in diferent forms means to wear, to drive, to bring etc)
seer - lav, l´v, but we still have the small brother of the lion living in Macedonia, we call it Ris, Rish. Ris is anagram from shir / seer
toola - topka
guuro - kafeno, kafeavo (but! i guess we use this word since the introduction of coffee. arhaic to describe - say brown , its used garo, garavo, garauo)Bratot:
Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.
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Originally posted by Serdarot View Postaraba - trkalo, kolce (but! araba-dzia / araba-djia is master for wagons, those old wagons pulled by oxes or other fee, and ofcourse, they had wheelsi guess the usage of araba is somehow "forgoten in modern Macedonian)
I checked the word "araba" from etymology dictionary cuz we use "araba" in Turkish too.
It says that the word "araba" is recorded in 12th century Turkic texts. Also Turkic "araba" means; "rraha(Scythian)", "rada"(Persian), "ratha(Sanskrit), "arrada(Arabian), "raeda(Latin).
The word "Araba" is most definitely coming from ancient people of Central Asia where nomadic people attached a wagon to the horses for the first time. So, it should be either Uralic/Altaic or Indo-Aryan/Iranian word.
Btw we use the word automobile in Turkish too(as "otomobil") but most preferred word is still "araba" for us. It seems that you keep the derivational suffix form of it in Macedonian as "araba-djia" but you don't use it`s root form "araba" anymore???Last edited by Onur; 12-23-2010, 07:22 PM.
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seer-lav
I find this interesting, could this word have some conections with the english titule "ser", or the words "ricar" or "car". Maybe the first meaning of the word "car" is conected to lion. Imagine our ancestors living in deep past, when lions inhabited Macedonia, were giving the titule "car"(lion) for the bravest...
Just a tought
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