Why is there no proactivity from the Macedonians in the Republic, Aegean and Pirin?

[Prolet]

This all is true but you forget that the Serbs started "cleaning" Kosovo and that was a huge mistake by their part. The same could have happened in 2001 with the Georgievski government, or, at least, is what the US and EU got as a message by Macedonian government back then.

Vodenka, Thats not true at all actually, i was in Macedonia in 1998 and i saw what happened. The Albanians where shooting at police officers every day, they killed something like 20 police. It was clear that the Albanians were told to start the war and the Americans were to finish it. Dont forget that Kosovo has alot of our land too, as a result we ended up with 300,000 Albanians in Macedonia while the Belgium Government is concerned about 300 people, they didnt even thank us 2 years later they were crossing the border to shoot at our people we saw what happened.

During the YU era, all of the republics were paying a percentage of their wages for the so called Razvoj na Kosovo, our people helped build that Province and in the end they attacked us in 2001.

In the name of Yugoslavia the Albanians in Kosovo managed to steal our land, the border between Macedonia and Kosovo is from Prizren downwards. All the farms,factories,land thats on the Kosovo side on the Blace border always belonged to us, the other side of Shara was always our land.

[Risto the Great]

Imagine if Gruevski simply spoke in his Grandfather's dialect to the Macedonians of Egej in a tourism advertisement on Greek television.
(Hint, he would not have to change much, just use less big words).
Seriously, think about it.

[Rogi]

They wouldn't air it.

Far too many people would be rushed to hospital for either 1) Shock from understanding or 2) Racist outrage turned into a fit.

[vodenka]

Prolet, I know that Albanians started everything, but the reaction of Serbia was wrong. Instead of giving their human rights they started a kind of ethnic "cleaning". Do not forget that in EU there are the terrorist groups of ETA in Spain and also the IRA in N. Ireland, but Spain and UK have given all the rights to Basques and Irish so the armed struggle has no meaning. I mean, the EU and US did not want to create in Europe a situation like in Palestine with an open war with no end between ethnic groups. The Kurds are also a kind of Albanians in Turkey as the Turkish government is trying its best to guarantee human rights for the Kurdish population but the PKK is still kiling Turks (soldiers and policemen).

[Prolet]

Vodenka, Kosovo was an Autonomous state what more rights do you ask for? They got everything free of charge they didnt even pay for electricity you can ask the Kosovari for yourself. Ethnic Cleansing is just something the Americans made up in order to invade Kosovo, If they were ethnically cleansed there wouldnt be any Albanians in Kosovo today, just like how Iraq had weapons of mass destruction we all saw how true that turned out to be. We got the raw end of the stick in the Kosovo war, we took them in,fed them,housed them and in returned they attacked us.

As for Turkey well the Turkish army has gone in 200km into Iraqi territory to wipe our the Kurdish Rebels, they have gone to war many times but like i mentioned earlier Turkey is a major ally for the Americans which means its natural for them to label the Kurdish Rebels as Terrorists.

[vodenka]

Vodenka, Kosovo was an Autonomous state what more rights do you ask for? They got everything free of charge they didnt even pay for electricity you can ask the Kosovari for yourself. Ethnic Cleansing is just something the Americans made up in order to invade Kosovo, If they were ethnically cleansed there wouldnt be any Albanians in Kosovo today, just like how Iraq had weapons of mass destruction we all saw how true that turned out to be. We got the raw end of the stick in the Kosovo war, we took them in,fed them,housed them and in returned they attacked us.

As for Turkey well the Turkish army has gone in 200km into Iraqi territory to wipe our the Kurdish Rebels, they have gone to war many times but like i mentioned earlier Turkey is a major ally for the Americans which means its natural for them to label the Kurdish Rebels as Terrorists.

You are forgeting Milosevich who abolished the autonomus status of Kosovo and invaded Kosovo with police armed like army and that is why the refugees from Kosovo "invaded" Macedonia!
As about the Kurds, they have so many political rights in Turkey we Macedonians in Greece cannot dream about. The terrorist PKK fights for seccesiion which is not accepted by International Law (at least, not by armed revolution but only by democratic means like a referendum).

[Jankovska]

Vodenka you got all your facts mixed up honey. I think you have alot of growing up to do. Milosevic did what he had to do but stop concentrating on that. Why can't you answer me- what is going to happen if thousands of ethnic Macedonian go on a massive protest in Greece demanding to be treated like Macedonians? I want to know what will happen? And if this were to happen the Diaspora can pay for international media to witness that? Is this hard to be done? I think it''s not hard if the Macedonians in Egej wanted to be seen as Macedonians. It's the 21st century.
Prolet I don't beleive we need to educate them more, they should all know where they come from. It's the 21st century, TV, radio, internet and they are still isolated? Bullshit.
I don't believe it for a moment. they like to play the victim card while enjoying the benefits of EU citizens. I don't feel sorry for the present Egejci, I really don't. I do feel sorry for their grandparents and their great grandparents. The present Egejci to my eyes are lazy 'Greeks'.

[Phoenix]

Vodenka you got all your facts mixed up honey. I think you have alot of growing up to do. Milosevic did what he had to do but stop concentrating on that. Why can't you answer me- what is going to happen if thousands of ethnic Macedonian go on a massive protest in Greece demanding to be treated like Macedonians? I want to know what will happen? And if this were to happen the Diaspora can pay for international media to witness that? Is this hard to be done? I think it''s not hard if the Macedonians in Egej wanted to be seen as Macedonians. It's the 21st century.
Prolet I don't beleive we need to educate them more, they should all know where they come from. It's the 21st century, TV, radio, internet and they are still isolated? Bullshit.
I don't believe it for a moment. they like to play the victim card while enjoying the benefits of EU citizens. I don't feel sorry for the present Egejci, I really don't. I do feel sorry for their grandparents and their great grandparents. The present Egejci to my eyes are lazy 'Greeks'.

I can't argue with any of that...well said Jankovska!!!

The responsibility starts and ends with the egejci but sadly that sense of responsibility is missing...the movement must start from within, without it the rest of us standing on the periphery are wasting our time and our limited resources.

[Daskalot]

Jankovska and Phoenix you are both correct. Vodenka, what is your answer to this?

[Daskalot]

Vodenka for more information read here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance

[Prolet]

Jankovska, What EU Benefits? Do you believe that Med and Mleko falls from the Sky? They are EU citizens which gives them the right to travel around and live in a bigger country, bigger opertunities, bigger market and so forth.

Nas ne machkaja 80 godini i nie imavne sloboda a ne pa tija koj ne im davaja Makedonski da zborvat.

You are too harsh Jankovska, its not so simple as you think.

[Jankovska]

Jankovska, What EU Benefits? Do you believe that Med and Mleko falls from the Sky? They are EU citizens which gives them the right to travel around and live in a bigger country, bigger opertunities, bigger market and so forth.

Nas ne machkaja 80 godini i nie imavne sloboda a ne pa tija koj ne im davaja Makedonski da zborvat.

You are too harsh Jankovska, its not so simple as you think.

Really? they enjoy nothing? Well if it's so damn hard why haven't they moved out? the present Egejci, why don't they move out, they can go anywhew they like? Why do the Macedonians from the Republic go and stay na crno po 10 god without seeing their families and the Egejci don't? I thought their lifes are hard? I don't think so. They are good to play both sides, with the greeks they are greek with the Macedonians they are victims. They have not done one major protest, they have not got in touch with the Diaspora to finance media for them, they don't want to talk on tv. Well stay in the dark than.
Prolet I am not harsh, I am fed up with the victim mentality of the Egejci. It's boring and I personally don't believe they want to be part of MAcedonia and to be Macedonians. Their grandparents did, not the young ones. I don't have faith in them and I am not gonna move a finger to help a person that doesn't want to help itself.
No one is again asnwering my question- what will happen if 5 thousand Macedonians go on protest in Greece, wanting to be recognised for who they are while foreign media following this? what will happen? Can someone answer this or will I have to repeat the same question over and over again?

[Prolet]

Jankovska, You are forgetting the protests against the Greek Army training in our peoples nivi, when the Golden Dawn rocked up throwing Tupajnci and rocks at our people. Dou you remember that? Do you remember how our people were injured and those Journalists were detained? Including Menche Atanasova Tochi and Goran Momirovski? They managed to pull the Greek Army away from Egejska Makedonija.

Hell Even Ferus Mustafov was arrested by the Greek Police for doing a svirka in Egejska Makedonija.

Jankovska, If 5000 people decide to portest then the Golden Dawn will rock up and start a riot, do you really think that our people should go through all that?

[Daskalot]

Prolet, for them to enjoy their rights as Macedonians in Greece, that is a very small price to pay. Are you pulling our leg here Prolet? You are joking right?

[sf.]

really? They enjoy nothing? Well if it's so damn hard why haven't they moved out? The present egejci, why don't they move out, they can go anywhew they like? Why do the macedonians from the republic go and stay na crno po 10 god without seeing their families and the egejci don't? I thought their lifes are hard? I don't think so. They are good to play both sides, with the greeks they are greek with the macedonians they are victims. They have not done one major protest, they have not got in touch with the diaspora to finance media for them, they don't want to talk on tv. Well stay in the dark than.
Prolet i am not harsh, i am fed up with the victim mentality of the egejci. It's boring and i personally don't believe they want to be part of macedonia and to be macedonians. Their grandparents did, not the young ones. I don't have faith in them and i am not gonna move a finger to help a person that doesn't want to help itself.
No one is again asnwering my question- what will happen if 5 thousand macedonians go on protest in greece, wanting to be recognised for who they are while foreign media following this? What will happen? Can someone answer this or will i have to repeat the same question over and over again?

Можеби до накаде сте во право, но сигурен сум, колку што све вие сигурни во вашите потврдувања, дека не ја знаете потполната ситуација таму. Брзо се лутите кога од диаспората ги напаѓаат Македонците во РМ, но вие се однесувате на ист начин.

После 100 години на притисок, иселувања и доселувања, пропаганди и индоктринации, зачуден сум што уште има спремни луѓе да се изразуваат како Македонци. И наместо да ги напаѓаме, дај да најдеме начини да им помогнеме.

Здосадено ми е веќе со константните напади што ги гледам меѓу разни Македонци. Не мора никој да ми одговори на овие мисли или да ми докаже било што. Видов доволно.