Financial Crisis in Greece

[Risto the Great]

Why dont you fight? Aren't you the Macedonians of Alexander the Great?

Macedonia' bosses in the USA & EU did not allow it. Even when the Albanian terrorist scum who infiltrated the borders of Macedonia in 2001 came over to pretend there was another Kosovo crisis in Macedonia, the USA insisted the Macedonians did nothing to them. It was a great shame that there was no leadership in Macedonia. It still is a great shame there is no leadership in Macedonia.

Aren't you the Albanians* of Skenderbeg, fighting for Orthodox justice?
*debatable

[Brian]

Brian, when you go for a business loan a bank will ask if you have a business plan in place and review it before you get your money. Same thing here, it is only obvious they are going to want to know how they will get their money back.

That's the problem - there never was going to be a way to pay it back. The business plan was to sell the country. The Greek government (regardless of which party) were all bought stooges and they didn't care about Greece (traitors) as they were paid extremal well. There job was to keep the public thinking 'we're on the gravy train' as the debts racked up.

The problem with Greece is due to poor vision, corruption and complacency from continuous Greek governments that have done absolutlely nothing to try to be a competative income making country.

That's the point - it was very deliberate. I'm sure Greece has some smart people who could run the country profitably.

Add that with a dose of heavy socialism, strong unions, and generous civil rights such as asylum and striking (20 ppl can block a major road to protest) and you have a perfect storm for failure. It wasnt noticable previously, but ever since we got straightjacketed into the Euro it became more pronounced and apparent that we wouldnt be able to get ourselves out of this situation.

It wasn't obvious in the past because the debts were lower (easier to hide from the public and institutions) but as it escalated to impossible levels it had to crack only as a matter of time, not if.

This probably would of never happened if Papandreou in his attempt to discredit ND didnt inflate the debt statistics to his EU counterparts in what would be the biggest political fuck up ever imaginable. He singlehandedly brought the EU to its knees that led to credit agenicies attacking the whole EU as a whole.

Do you really think it was a "fuck up"? The bad news had to be broken somehow without the government (individuals) going to jail. It was very intentional - it was time to pull the plug and the paid stooges in government did what they were told when they were told. Any wonder it was around the 2008 global crisis when everyone is in a panic and other countries are also going down economically - 'it's noones fault, it just happened'. Has there been even 1 person to go to jail over this? Strange?

I have just as much disdain for corporatism and bank tactics as you do if not more. But the reforms being done here is not at the expense of the Greek people.

The average Greek who didn't (know?) to stash his money from the 'gravy train years' or convert it to gold/silver is feeling the pain now - your government decided to flog the country off but to keep people on-side they had to get some of the cream. This may have been a bit intended (or not) to let people get high pays/benefits as a sort of chance to secure themselves without telling them they should be doing so.

It needed to be done ages ago, and if it takes a higher power to get the job done then so be it. That doesnt mean we will lose everything here to foreign interests.

As a country as a whole (if you are interested in preserving your sovereignty) it would have been better not to get into such heavy debt. This does not sit with the EU policy of replacing individual country sovereignty with just being a citizen of the EU and hence Greek assets become EU assets. The elite see sovereignty as a dinosaur model that needs to be replaced with their modern regional ie EU and global citizen model ie post industrial. This is very deliberate and can only be done if you wreck individual country sovereignty. They think that people who think they should keep their sovereignty are like dinosaurs and should go of the way of the dinosaurs ie extinct.

There is a lesson to be learnt and it was high time it happened. It wouldnt of been so hard for people to accept if these reforms happened earlier.

There is also another saying in Greek " I malakies plironounte "

I don't speak Greek. What does it mean, I might use it sometime?

We are "best buds" now because Turkey pushed them into our arms. Another stroke of genius on the part of Davatoglou and Co.

Still think it's 'fuck up'? Have you notice the Islamification of the Middle East and Africa with a hard-line form of Islam at the bequest/help of the USA and EU in so many countries at once - can such a thing be a coincidents? - even by dumping/overthrowing moderate/pro West Muslim leaders. Everyone is just playing their roll like actors.

Isreal and Greece never developed relations due to the extreme Pro Palestinian position Greece held. We were the last country in the EU to recognize them as a country. Add to the rising islamofacism in Turkey and the region and the end result was a no brainer.

Money speaks many languages - the trick is to keeping the public in the dark and playing along.

[Valmir]

valmir you thimk fighting will olve all ourproblems.Why don't you fight for us & go there we will cheer you.
i think they left out the F mkd.in UCK

YES , Fighting will solve the problems.

[Valmir]

Aren't you the Albanians* of Skenderbeg, fighting for Orthodox justice?
*debatable

Yes we are Albanians of Scanderbeg and Scanderbeg didn't faught for the Orthodox or the religion but he faught for the Albanism and had very good ties with the Vatican.(And the only reason why he had good ties with Vatican is to get supplied with weapons,food to fight ottomans.)

[Voltron]

That's the problem - there never was going to be a way to pay it back. The business plan was to sell the country. The Greek government (regardless of which party) were all bought stooges and they didn't care about Greece (traitors) as they were paid extremal well. There job was to keep the public thinking 'we're on the gravy train' as the debts racked up..

Sell the country, I hear that often. Do you know in the USA they have outsourced the Tolls and Maintanence of major expressways to Australia ? Its the NWO of globalisation and happens even to Superpowers. They werent bought but they are indeed traitors for letting our country get to this point. No arguement there.

That's the point - it was very deliberate. I'm sure Greece has some smart people who could run the country profitably.

Wasnt about smart but being complacent and numb. The smart ones were always being pushed to the back while the mainstream parties took the lead role of switching chairs and blaming each other.

It wasn't obvious in the past because the debts were lower (easier to hide from the public and institutions) but as it escalated to impossible levels it had to crack only as a matter of time, not if.

It wasnt obvious because we were able to devalue the Drachma when we were in a tight jam. Ever since the Euro was adopted it kept the debt kept racking up while our traitorous politicians were too busy sweeping it under the carpet. Hungary did a similar thing and so did other EU countries, but Greece took the cake on that one.

Do you really think it was a "fuck up"? The bad news had to be broken somehow without the government (individuals) going to jail. It was very intentional - it was time to pull the plug and the paid stooges in government did what they were told when they were told. Any wonder it was around the 2008 global crisis when everyone is in a panic and other countries are also going down economically - 'it's noones fault, it just happened'. Has there been even 1 person to go to jail over this? Strange?

I think its a cop out. Papandreou should of know better, whatever differences you have with the opposition you never publicly throw it out there for the world to see. He should of played the game and if he was sincere implement badly needed reforms before anyone could take notice. Its been done before. Politicians never go to jail they have asylum so that wasnt their motive. In the USA there have been a number or people back in the day that went to jail. Enron and Worldcom are two that I can think of, but the latest crisis with the protaganist Goldman Sachs taking the lead role landed no one. It makes me just as sick as it does for you and its pretty obvious that for someone should of payed for it.

The average Greek who didn't (know?) to stash his money from the 'gravy train years' or convert it to gold/silver is feeling the pain now - your government decided to flog the country off but to keep people on-side they had to get some of the cream. This may have been a bit intended (or not) to let people get high pays/benefits as a sort of chance to secure themselves without telling them they should be doing so.

The average Greek was in denial. A lot of them still are, and some are even our politicians. Look at Tsipras and Papariga, both completely oblivious to what is happening.

As a country as a whole (if you are interested in preserving your sovereignty) it would have been better not to get into such heavy debt. This does not sit with the EU policy of replacing individual country sovereignty with just being a citizen of the EU and hence Greek assets become EU assets. The elite see sovereignty as a dinosaur model that needs to be replaced with their modern regional ie EU and global citizen model ie post industrial. This is very deliberate and can only be done if you wreck individual country sovereignty. They think that people who think they should keep their sovereignty are like dinosaurs and should go of the way of the dinosaurs ie extinct.

I agree with that but lets face it. Just like how the confederate states in the US had to give way, same thing must happen in the EU. Not all soverignty, but some has to be given on a federal level for it to even function. I think all EU members know this no matter what they are telling their people.

Still think it's 'fuck up'? Have you notice the Islamification of the Middle East and Africa with a hard-line form of Islam at the bequest/help of the USA and EU in so many countries at once - can such a thing be a coincidents? - even by dumping/overthrowing moderate/pro West Muslim leaders. Everyone is just playing their roll like actors.

Youd be surprised how much blowback the US happens to inflict itself on an everday basis. What else is new ?

I don't speak Greek. What does it mean, I might use it sometime?

We use it everday in English, just means " pay for your mistakes "
in a less civilised way.

[Voltron]

Yes we are Albanians of Scanderbeg and Scanderbeg didn't faught for the Orthodox or the religion but he faught for the Albanism and had very good ties with the Vatican.(And the only reason why he had good ties with Vatican is to get supplied with weapons,food to fight ottomans.)

Valmir, you on a peyote trip or something ? Scanderbeg hated your muslim kind with a passion. There was no such thing as Albaniasm. That was a post communism creation.

[Valmir]

Valmir, you on a peyote trip or something ? Scanderbeg hated your muslim kind with a passion. There was no such thing as Albaniasm. That was a post communism creation.

Scanderbeg hated the Ottomans, YOU WILL NEVER FIND A TEXT WHERE HE SAYS THAT HE FAUGHT AGAINST ISLAM!
He was fighting for his people which were Albanians 100%

[Voltron]

Find a text ?! Who needs a text when he was hacking you people to pieces for sport.
Turko-Albanians were the best Ottoman cohorts the Ottoman empire ever had. You even got promoted to Pasha of Egypt. Cmon Valmir, its like me claiming Mehmet the conquerer as one of our own fighting for the Greeks. If he was able to break out of that statue tommorrow first thing he would do is piss on that minaret thats towering behind him. The very same minarets you guys are building all over Kosovo and Macedonia.

[Valmir]

Find a text ?! Who needs a text when he was hacking you people to pieces for sport.

He never faught against albanians, stop talking BS pls.

Turko-Albanians were the best Ottoman cohorts the Ottoman empire ever had.

You need to make some research cus they still are.
Even Scanderbeg was one of them, but he left the Empire and came back to help his Nation and give them the Independence from the Ottoman empire.

You even got promoted to Pasha of Egypt. Cmon Valmir, its like me claiming Mehmet the conquerer as one of our own fighting for the Greeks. If he was able to break out of that statue tommorrow first thing he would do is piss on that minaret thats towering behind him. The very same minarets you guys are building all over Kosovo and Macedonia.

Why he didn't pissed on the minarets of the Ottoman empire, they still do exist and he had all the power to remove them all from his lands.

[Onur]

Voltron, Greece owes about ~500 billions Euros to the German and French banking cartels and this continues to increase day by day.

You can only relieve yourself by swearing to Turkey but this wont change the fact that they own your ass for the next century and they will confiscate every drop of your oil as a repayment of your debt`s interest value and you cant say shit about that. They will simply leech you and suck you dry just as they do in the middle east.

Economical warfare is equally viable as bombs if that country belongs to "the capital". Iran, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan doesn't belong to the world capital, thats why they bomb them but Greece belongs, so economical warfare is sufficient to put you on your knees.

[Onur]

It`s obvious that this Valmir is just a teenager but i really cant stand the Albanians who bashes ottoman era. OK, it`s some kind of neverending fashion in Balkans and OK, i can understand the orthodox people but wtf with Albanians?

They had nothing before ottoman era, simply nothing
we created their capital city Tirana and pretty much today`s whole Albania,
Albanian people became the rulers in three continents, from Egypt to Arabia and to Kosovo,
and much more. It was their one and only chance and they will never be again.

What Enver Hodja gave them? Bunkers? He even forbid them to walk in the streets of Tirana,
What Russian communists gave them, nothing at all
Why they don't talk shit about Italian invaders but instead they talk shit to the Turks? Italians appointed Albanians as a rulers in Italy! and treated them well! and i never heard that or something?

I mean, Turkish people paid a heavy price during the destruction of the ottoman empire but what Albanians paid? Simply nothing. They only gained a possession of their own country without even firing single bullet or spilling a single drop of blood in 1912 [Greeks, Bulgarians, Arabs etc, all of them spilled their blood by fighting against us, but Albania founded in 1912 without any fight. Turks simply left them alone in their way]

[Soldier of Macedon]

Yes we are Albanians of Scanderbeg and Scanderbeg didn't faught for the Orthodox or the religion but he faught for the Albanism.......

George Kastriot fought as a Christian ruler against Ottoman Muslim invaders. Of course there were a great number of Albanian Christians in his armies, but the concept of modern Albanianism that apparently transcends religious differences was completely unknown to Skenderbeg. If you have evidence that shows otherwise, I am happy to see it, but don't go around puffin' up your chest based on some wild 'claim' your kinsmen have fed you over the internet.

[Risto the Great]

If Valmir isn't a teenager with a limited view of the world, I'm a professional stripper.

[chentovist]

It`s obvious that this Valmir is just a teenager but i really cant stand the Albanians who bashes ottoman era. OK, it`s some kind of neverending fashion in Balkans and OK, i can understand the orthodox people but wtf with Albanians?

They had nothing before ottoman era, simply nothing
we created their capital city Tirana and pretty much today`s whole Albania,
Albanian people became the rulers in three continents, from Egypt to Arabia and to Kosovo,
and much more. It was their one and only chance and they will never be again.

What Enver Hodja gave them? Bunkers? He even forbid them to walk in the streets of Tirana,
What Russian communists gave them, nothing at all
Why they don't talk shit about Italian invaders but instead they talk shit to the Turks? Italians appointed Albanians as a rulers in Italy! and treated them well! and i never heard that or something?

I mean, Turkish people paid a heavy price during the destruction of the ottoman empire but what Albanians paid? Simply nothing. They only gained a possession of their own country without even firing single bullet or spilling a single drop of blood in 1912 [Greeks, Bulgarians, Arabs etc, all of them spilled their blood by fighting against us, but Albania founded in 1912 without any fight. Turks simply left them alone in their way]

Yes they are ungrateful nation. I wonder what they'll say about the Americans in a few years time...

[Phoenix]

8pm GMT tonight, the experts will have a good idea stay tuned...will Greece default...all will be revealed over the next few days...

Apparently it's between

1. A miracle
2. A forced deal
3. Armageddon

Voltron, feeling lucky punk...?

I'm putting a small fortune on Armegeddon with the bookies...

It's purely a decision I'm making with my heart though...lol