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  • Onur
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 2389

    Originally posted by Prolet View Post
    Onur, 127 countries have recognized us under ROM, not 77.

    I saw the number of 77 countries in forum post here, its not updated then? Countries which recognizes ROM...


    Then i should ask why you try to re-discuss about your name if 127 countries in the world recognizes you as ROM atm?

    Also, this means that these 127 countries in the world confirms the open dispute on Aegean Macedonia because they recognize you as ROM.

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    • Mikail
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 1338

      Yes Onur, it appears that logical and it is that logical. Yet we see ourselves in this mess because The EU does not tell Greece to sit down, shut up, and to stop misbehaving. They keep on spoiling Greece like a spoilt child.
      From the village of P’pezhani, Tashko Popov, Dimitar Popov-Skenderov and Todor Trpenov were beaten and sentenced to 12 years prison. Pavle Mevchev and Atanas Popov from Vrbeni and Boreshnica joined them in early 1927, they were soon after transferred to Kozhani and executed. As they were leaving Lerin they were heard to shout "With our death, Macedonia will not be lost. Our blood will run, but other Macedonians will rise from it"

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      • Bij
        Member
        • Oct 2009
        • 905

        when is this referendum supposed to be?

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        • Mikail
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 1338

          If it happens, I hope it on when I'm there! I'll sort the fuckers out!
          From the village of P’pezhani, Tashko Popov, Dimitar Popov-Skenderov and Todor Trpenov were beaten and sentenced to 12 years prison. Pavle Mevchev and Atanas Popov from Vrbeni and Boreshnica joined them in early 1927, they were soon after transferred to Kozhani and executed. As they were leaving Lerin they were heard to shout "With our death, Macedonia will not be lost. Our blood will run, but other Macedonians will rise from it"

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          • julie
            Senior Member
            • May 2009
            • 3869

            having visions of Mikail leading the Macedonian nation to see the light
            And why the bloody hell not I say, you would do a wonderful job too!
            "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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            • fyrOM
              Banned
              • Feb 2010
              • 2180

              In a different thread there was mention of a minority Macedonian party I cant remember their name who were a bit more jumpy. This is the time to encourage them a bit more active.

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              • Soldier of Macedon
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 13670

                If Gruevski allows an unnecessary referendum to take place, he should be evicted from his position as PM, and were worse to happen to him, the Macedonian people shouldn't spare a thought.
                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                • julie
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2009
                  • 3869

                  a referendum is suicide for the sovereignty of RoM, on all counts, political, cultural, social, everything
                  I dont know why the tool calls for one and says...hey guys lets have a referendum, i am a good boy, i will vote no, you do that too....its like the outcome is already a done deal, and am not liking where its going, not one iota.
                  "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                  • DIMO
                    Junior Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 68

                    gruevski tool, predavnik
                    OBEDINETA MAKEDONIJA

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                    • Soldier of Macedon
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 13670

                      http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...1810#post51810

                      No Macedonian Minority in Bulgaria............
                      Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski,

                      Any Macedonian that respects themselves as an individual and as part of our nation, would not allow themselves to be disrespected in such a manner.

                      The MTO would like to know, are you going to respond to this piece of provocative garbage?
                      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                      • julie
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2009
                        • 3869

                        Prime Minister Gruevski.

                        Why are you calling a referendum on the Macedonian name, on then in the same breath, saying you will be voting No?
                        "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                        • Mikail
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 1338

                          http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...1810#post51810

                          No Macedonian Minority in Bulgaria............
                          Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski,
                          Any Macedonian that respects themselves as an individual and as part of our nation, would not allow themselves to be disrespected in such a manner.

                          The MTO would like to know, are you going to respond to this piece of provocative garbage?
                          Mr Prime Minister,

                          All Macedonians urge you to put an end to these absurd notions put forward by neighbouring to the Republic of Macedonia.

                          It is widely known and historically noted that Bulgaria is host to a large Macedonian population.

                          We as Macedonians should not be subjected to such taunts in the 21st century. We look forward to your immediate attention to this matter.

                          Pozdrav
                          From the village of P’pezhani, Tashko Popov, Dimitar Popov-Skenderov and Todor Trpenov were beaten and sentenced to 12 years prison. Pavle Mevchev and Atanas Popov from Vrbeni and Boreshnica joined them in early 1927, they were soon after transferred to Kozhani and executed. As they were leaving Lerin they were heard to shout "With our death, Macedonia will not be lost. Our blood will run, but other Macedonians will rise from it"

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                          • Makedonetz
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 1080

                            Macedonia PM: We want deal with Greece over name dispute

                            Video Of PM Gruevski

                            Macedonia's prime minister has said the country is seeking a compromise with Greece over the long-standing name dispute between both countries.



                            Skopje, Macedonia (CNN) -- Macedonia's prime minister has said the country is seeking a compromise with Greece over the long-standing name dispute between both countries.

                            In an interview with CNN, Nikola Gruevski said he was trying to reach a solution with Greece over the issue so his country could gain membership into the European Union.

                            He told CNN: "We said to Greece, 'We want to make a compromise. We want to find solutions,' so we can become a member of NATO and the EU. Compromise means both sides make moves, not just one side to make concessions and the other side to have a victory."

                            Macedonia has been at loggerheads over its name for 17 years with Greece, which blocked its entry to NATO in 2008 over the dispute.

                            Greece claims that the name "Macedonia" implies territorial ambitions on the Greek province of the same name. Macedonia denies it. The two countries have taken their dispute to the International Court of Justice.

                            Gruevski also spoke to CNN about his country's economy, their ongoing efforts to gain membership of the European Union and the wine industry.

                            CNN: What is the state of your economy right now?

                            Nikola Gruevski: Last year, the World Bank announced that Macedonia was the third biggest reformer in the world for creating a good business climate. And it's helping. Unfortunately, last year the world was in crisis. The amount of investment was reduced. But now there are new signals, new investors.

                            CNN: We saw in the center of the city a demo of people protesting for jobs. How big an issue is unemployment?

                            NG: Unemployment is a serious issue in Macedonia. Before independence, our companies produced for 22 million people in former Yugoslavia. Immediately after that, the market was much smaller and the managers didn't find good ways to open new markets. That created serious unemployment. It's declined in the last three years.

                            CNN: What would it mean for Macedonia to be part of the European Union and NATO?

                            NG: Politically, for us, it's very important to be a member of the EU and NATO. More than 90 percent of the citizens would like to see Macedonia in NATO and the EU.

                            We fulfilled all necessary criteria to receive invitation for full membership to NATO in March 2008. Because of Greece, because of the name issue Video that they opened, our invitation was postponed. In the meantime we're trying to work with Greece to find some solution for the problem.

                            CNN: What exactly is Greece saying?

                            NG: Greece wants our name to be changed, the new name to be given by them. They have a few names that they prefer, and they're asking us to accept these names.

                            CNN: And one of them is Northern Macedonia?

                            NG: Yes. And a second thing, which is very unreasonable, they want to change the identity of the citizens. That's very difficult to explain, but they want the government to accept and to explain to the citizens, that our language and nationality, in the future will not be Macedonian, but will be something else.

                            We said to Greece, 'We want to make a compromise. We want to find solutions,' so we become a member of NATO, member of the EU.Compromise means both sides make moves, not just one side to make concessions and the other side to have a victory.

                            Fortunately, in the meantime, the companies don't care about the name issue. Greece is one of the biggest investors in Macedonia and our citizens are regularly going there for tourism.

                            See Macedonia's stunning scenery

                            CNN: People think of Alexander the Great as coming from Macedonia. What is at the heart of being Macedonian?

                            NG: Alexander the Great's empire was 2,300 years ago. The empire was very big and had different parts. And today these places are many countries, so I think he's a person who belongs to the world, not to Greece or Macedonia or India. So, we don't like to monopolize history. Unfortunately the other side is insisting on monopolizing the history. They are saying, "This is just our history."

                            CNN: In May, you're going to take over the presidency of the European Council of Ministers. What do you hope to achieve in your six months of presidency?

                            NG: Macedonian presidency will be important for making many steps, making some reforms. It will also be a chance for us to make some cultural events and to improve our image as a country. There'll be good chances for many meetings, representing the country in different situations.

                            CNN: Is the government going to invest in tourism in the future?

                            NG: We have plans for new investments in tourism in different parts of the country. The most popular place for tourism in Macedonia is Ohrid. But also, there are other mountains, lakes, and archaeological places. We have also very good monasteries and temples which really are attractive for tourists.

                            CNN: And wine as well?

                            NG: We produce very good wine. Very close to the best wines in the world. When I'm drinking wine, I always choose Macedonian.

                            Creating Napa valley in California

                            CNN: What does Macedonia have that allows it to produce such good wine?

                            NG: Tradition. Production of wine in Macedonia dates from 6,000 years ago, and for centuries it has improved. But it's still not very well promoted. We have a lot of work to do on promotion, distribution and producing large enough quantities for the large companies. But we are working on this and every year we are increasing production.


                            Hopefully he goes in stern and shows greece we are serious and not going to take any BS. One thing concerned me was PM gruevski was this.

                            CNN: People think of Alexander the Great as coming from Macedonia. What is at the heart of being Macedonian?

                            NG: Alexander the Great's empire was 2,300 years ago. The empire was very big and had different parts. And today these places are many countries, so I think he's a person who belongs to the world, not to Greece or Macedonia or India. So, we don't like to monopolize history. Unfortunately the other side is insisting on monopolizing the history. They are saying, "This is just our history."


                            Alexsander was macedonian and every blood that spilled 2,000 years ago shaped who we are....hes making alexsander sound like he was a worldwide action hero!

                            Who the fuck gives grci the key to give us negotiation privilages to accept terms on their behalf if we want to join the EU & Nato. Greece are like those backyard school bullies stealing our lunch money and threating us to do what they say....time to knock them out! Yebene Grci !
                            Last edited by Makedonetz; 05-11-2010, 05:07 PM.
                            Makedoncite se borat
                            za svoite pravdini!

                            "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
                            - Goce Delchev

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                            • Risto the Great
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 15658

                              CNN: What exactly is Greece saying?

                              NG: Greece wants our name to be changed, the new name to be given by them. They have a few names that they prefer, and they're asking us to accept these names.

                              CNN: And one of them is Northern Macedonia?

                              NG: Yes. And a second thing, which is very unreasonable, they want to change the identity of the citizens. That's very difficult to explain, but they want the government to accept and to explain to the citizens, that our language and nationality, in the future will not be Macedonian, but will be something else.
                              Dear Gruevski supporters, read that shit written above. I will translate it for you.

                              Macedonia is willing to compromise its name but it will not allow a change in language and nationality.

                              Is there any further doubt about him? Can it be any clearer?
                              Risto the Great
                              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                              Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                              • Vangelovski
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 8532

                                Gruevski supporters seem to be like the old Georgievski supporters, it won't hit them until he actually gets a Bulgarian passport AND supports the transfer of territory to Albania AND suggests a new name.
                                If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                                The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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