Census' in the Republic of Macedonia

[George S.]

what a joke if they let the albanians run the census any way they want.They would ripp it off completely.Gruevski is a laughing stock.What aweakling he lets them do what they want.

[Zarni]

In Albania yet again there will not be a census conducted that should and can be legitimate and fair, yet I don’t see any European condemnation of it
In Macedonia Albanians are allowed to independently run the census campaign without Macedonian overlooking the process
And to guarantee mass corruption in the entire process photocopies of ID and other documentation rather then originals is allowed as a form of ID

[figure8]

maybee the maco's have a trick of their own

[julie]

In Albania yet again there will not be a census conducted that should and can be legitimate and fair, yet I don’t see any European condemnation of it
In Macedonia Albanians are allowed to independently run the census campaign without Macedonian overlooking the process
And to guarantee mass corruption in the entire process photocopies of ID and other documentation rather then originals is allowed as a form of ID

Interesting how Macedonians in Albania have zero recognition and human rights and yet shiptars shit on Macedonians in Macedonia with the western world full support . Democratic way of annihilating and exterminating our people then fuck democracy with the west wiping us out like a plague .

[George S.]

what a sham julie where was gruevski to comment about that.I think the MTO can issue a press release on the census & how the govt just foessn't care whilst the albanioans are doing it in your face.

[Risto the Great]

maybee the maco's have a trick of their own

This hints at a Macedonian master plan. I can only imagine the plan is a federation with Albania & Kosovo because everything being done is supporting that agenda.

[Mastika]

The MTO should write up a press release rejecting the manner and the atmosphere in which the census has been conducted; and rejecting the final results, which will obviously be manipulated. There is evidence, as has been brought to light by the Macedonian media, that ethnic Albanians have been using the census to suit their own political agenda. This is not appropriate and cannot be condoned. I suggest that this press release be in Macedonian and be sent to all of the Macedonian news outlets before the end of the census period (14th October). Hopefully, it might persuade other organisations to do the same.

If this census continues to be manipulated, we can see the "Albanian" minority in Macedonia will rise to 28%, "Turks" to 4-5% and Macedonians fall under 62%. Furthermore, people can expect ethnic Albanians, for the first time, to form the largest population group in Jegunovce, Caska, Zelenikovo, Mavrovo and Rostusa, Dolneni and Sopiste. At that stage, the number of Muslims living to the West of the Vardar becomes larger then the number of Christians.

[George S.]

i think a press release is long overdue on the census matter the maso govt needs to be informed how about it risto on that note it is necessary to inform the macedonian govt.

[DedoAleko]

The State Census Commission says the problems are getting more and more serious.

Кој нема политика, тој провоцира

Членови на државната изборна комисија денеска ќе излезат на терен во неколку реони за на лице место да се уверат како се спроведува најголемата статистичка операција во државата. Од ДПК велат дека проблемите на терен стануваат се посериозни. Попишувачите, етнички Албанци од Кичево, веќе се изјасниле дека ќе попишуваат според налозите кои им ги дал потпретседателот на комисијата Бујар Османи. Од почетокот на пописот до денеска постојат разидувања околу тоа дали треба да се попишуваат само оние лица кои имаат жителство во Македонија во последната година или и оние кои во последните 12 месеци барем еднаш дошле во Македонија.

Претседателката на ДПК, Слободанка Гиевска, на прес-конференција минатата недела изјави дека услов за попишување ќе биде едногодишниот престој во државата и дека ќе се попишува единствено со оригинални лични документи, а не со фотокопии.
Наспроти нејзините тврдења, ДПА најавува дека нема да ги почитува резултатите од најголемата статистичка операција во државата.

Најголемата опозициска партија на Албанците во Македонија смета дека пописот на населението е манипулиран од страна на Владата и поради тоа е многу блиску до ставот да не ги признае резултатите. Ваквиот став на партијата во петокот го изнесе генералниот секретар Метин Изети.
Оставката на заменик-претседателот на Државната комисија за попис еден ден пред почетокот на регистрацијата и неговата замена со луѓе од кабинетот на Али Ахмети, недостатокот на пропагандата преку медиумите за анимирање на населението да се регистрира, недостатокот на попишувачи-Албанци, обука на попишувачите само на македонски јазик, според ДПА се причините поради кои не треба да се признат резултатите од пописот.

Во партијата на Мендух Тачи сметаат дека етничките Албанци на привремена работа во странство, според законот, имаат право да бидат попишани.

Во Државната пописна комисија сметаат дека се уште не постојат индиции за пролонгирање на пописот и дека ситуацијата на терен е под контрола.

izvor: http://vecer.com.mk/?ItemID=AA2670AC...7D49B5EE0E1991

[Risto the Great]

Macedonian Census Suspended

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n261458

Census in Macedonia suspended
11 October 2011 | 09:04 | FOCUS News Agency
Home / Southeast Europe and Balkans
Skopje. National census in Macedonia has been suspended, Macedonian online news edition Kirilica announced. The State Census Commission (SCC) held a sitting late last night and ascertained it was not possible to continue the process further under the existing circumstances. The decision comes as a result of the inadequate implementation of the methodology set by the State Statistical Institute, which was also coordinated with Eurostat.
According to the commission, the census will not present real data about the number of the people and families living in Macedonia and thus the commission cannot execute its task and duties. All SCC members filed their resignations. The commission called for all participants in the census to stop all activities connected to the national tally.

FOCUS News Agency recalls:
The census in Macedonia got complicated due to the different interpretation of an article of the law, connected to the citizens who have been living abroad for more than a year. Under the law these citizens should not be counted. Albanian members of the commission, as well as representatives of the smaller ethnic groups, considered that people, who have come to Macedonia at least once should be counted too despite the fact that they have been living in another country for more than a year. Since no compromise was found on the issue the census officers in the Albanian regions continued the national tally following their own interpretation of the law.
There were also other discrepancies and non-observed deadlines.

The Eurostat director:

http://www.oecd.org/speaker/0,3438,en_21571361_31938349_38543783_1_1_1_1,00.html

says "It is more than certain that Macedonia will conduct a successful census ... The country is ready for reliable and qualitative data collection,"

http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2011/10/07/feature-03

So why would such an eminently qualified person say such a thing when the reality was so far from his observations?

[Risto the Great]

Thank goodness it has been suspended.
Perhaps some leadership will be shown by the present government and some clear rules will be adhered to by all concerned.

[George S.]

Easy solution stop the roughting do the damn cesus properly.Find out how many albanians are actually in macedonia According to the rules.Do it in a proper & fair way.Then count the macedonians in the normal way.Census should be carried out like other countries eg australia for one.
Why has it taken gruevski all this time to realise that the albanians have been roughting it.Ohh the poor little dear didn't want to offend them they might start another war.Seriously the way the census was roughted meant macedonian soveregnity was affected big time.I read somewhere where they estimate the albanians to be not 20% but maybe 14 %.Simple if they are not there according to the rules they don't qualify.

[ProMKD]

They are definitely way below the 25% mark, and their birth numbers are decreasing as much as ours, not to mention the MASS migration to the west. These people are getting special privileges that NO minority deserves, they have a status above any other ethnicity in any country. They would be lucky to have any such rights anywhere, yet here we are, letting them pump the numbers yet again. The main goal is obviously to pump the numbers to a majority of 51% then they can start deporting us all one by one

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

They came to our building for the census but I walked out when my uncle started singing songs to them :P

[Volk]

They are definitely way below the 25% mark, and their birth numbers are decreasing as much as ours, not to mention the MASS migration to the west. These people are getting special privileges that NO minority deserves, they have a status above any other ethnicity in any country. They would be lucky to have any such rights anywhere, yet here we are, letting them pump the numbers yet again. The main goal is obviously to pump the numbers to a majority of 51% then they can start deporting us all one by one

I am bewildered when people claim they are well below a percentage, if you look at the historical data they have been rising dramatically for the past century. If this trend continues then its an exponential rise...

No doubt there are very gray areas about this census and the previous one, has anyone considered the idea that they are much more of them? especially the newcomers from kosovo...

Either way the statistics are very touchy subject and I doubt anyone can truly indicate real figures..