Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

[fyrOM]

Im no wiz at these things so I could be off base but are you seeing this interim accord thing from a hollier than though position. I know Australia is the lucky country and the USA see themselves as Gods country but lets not forget how this interim agreement came about.

In my simple view of things I kind of liken it to someone living in a town where all the big guys there who either own most of the businesses there or can influence the remainder of the business owners not to hire this person for any job. Faced with no income they put the hard word on her to go into their xxx rated business. The bills start mounting and the cupboards starts looking bare she calls the big bosses and says maybe but she doesn’t know where to start. The boss guy says sure come on over and we will tak about it. He has this great Greek style movie he wants her to star in. The first thing you need to tdo is pick the right porn name to act under. You know the name of the first street you lived in and your favourite pets name ect. Think about it on your way to our office and we will have the contracts ready.

She heads off with her friend to act as her agent to negotiate the deal. Many call him a pimp. So they talk about it and get close to some kind of an agreement and sign an interim accord. She is now allowed to trade and gets to work and trade with other businesses in the town while she figures out a porn name. Money starts coming in and she can pay her bills and put some decent food on the table. But every so often she gets a phone call about hows she going with picking that name thing.

Her relatives who live in distant places start gossiping how her friends as managers have each been pimps and how she’s a dumb slut and should instead tough it out no matter what. Her family can eat salt and paprika pepper and not stoop to any movie let alone a Greek style movie.

In the mean time she shows the other bosses in the town how good she is at running a business and suggest they skip the whole porn thing and let her join the town commerse committee anyway. She also makes friends with businesses in other towns and 127 or 128 of them want to be friends with her. The boss guy gets wind of this and jumps up and down and says we had a deal here. Ive got your signature and uses his unique privileged voting rights to deny her rights to join the commerse committee no matter how good she is at running a business. Bend over or go to Coventry.

All her relatives living abroad point the finger at the accord and call her a slut. How could you sign an aggreement and how can you keep meeting with these guys to talk about picking a porn name. Some of her kids start saying its easy for their cousins in distant lands to point and talk while eating their roast beef sandwidge. Time goes by and the kids grow up. Some of the older kids are about the age there mum was when the interim agreement was signed and cant imagin following through with it if they were faced with this deal. They start to revolt and start saying they would rather play with the kids in the other towns then let this happen. Some kids whine about how unfair it is not to play in their own town. They are joined by thse foreign kids who no one really knows how they got there but seem to have lived in her backyard forever keep up the whining after all its not like she’s never done it before just this time it will be on film and under a porn name big deal. One bright spark nicknamed red bones says he will act as her agent if everyone votes him in the position and vows to get the job done even if he has to drag here there with a rope around her neck and dack her himself.

Her courent agent some say pimp takes the boss to court for not honnering some of the conditions of the contract. Mortified some of the kids and the cousins overseas bicker over the proceedings calling him a pimp and her a slut and have him and anyone who wants to take his place or agrees with his actions excommunicated. How dare he want to enforce the agreement while claiming he want to save her reputation. Traitor pimp. And glaring eyes go on anyone agreeing with the court case or her agent.

Meanwhile her agent has been travelling around and spending many nights in hotel rooms. He comes back home with news of new friendships. He manges her investments well and thing start to look up but because of her previouse managers missmanagement he starts from a low position and even with his efforts not everthing is well and many point to the mountain of defficentcies and blaim his efforts and call him a pimp. Bickering goes on at home and overseas.

Some say he did the court case to get a court rulling that the boss broke the agrreement first and so he and his clent are blameless. Some say he did a greek style himself in a threesom with the german and her black buddy to get her to think about changing the rules of voting to her commerse committee. If this isn’t the definition of a hero what is.

Doubting Thomases from home and abroad shake their hollier than though heads at her and mutter slut under their breaths for even signing a contract. How could she even think of signing a contract. Doesn’t it mean she seriously considered doing it. What if she got the wrong manager like the one who robbed her money but now vowes to complete the job. What if things went wrong. How could she put herself so close to the edge that her feet are hanging over the edge. Dumb slut and pimp. And the bickering goes on.

Are we about there yet.

Is it a risky play. Your damd right it is. Is it not fair. With your extensive knowledge of Macedonian history has anything ever been fair with Macedonia.

By all means keep up the pressure and never forget to remind those touting the government line on a daily basis that its all pretend remember just incase they start beliving their own words from repeating them so often. Mums no slut at least not under a made up porn name.

And just to answer Julies questions and qualify myself.

1. No I am not for negotiating our name. it is the be all and end all as everything else hangs off it. Without it we will be less then the jews when they were scattered around the world before Israel because we do not have their numbers nor clout. I am for lying cheating and pretending to if it furthers Macedonia and the Macedonia cause.

2. I have no affiliation with the UMD let alone their board. Only as previously stated in other threads I think the have a cool name but there unpolished awkwardness at least from what I have read thus far do not inspire me to think they are up to the task.

3. See No. 1

4. Ethnically I am a Macedonian and an Australian citizen. Just for my own curiosity as stated in a different thread I have ordered the igenea dna test.

[777Bitola]

Name Deal Close, Greek Media Say

There has been renewed speculation that Greece and Macedonia are close to solving their name spat by using a name that includes Macedonia’s biggest river, Vardar, as a geographical determinant to distinguish the state from the Greek northern province, Greek media say.

“It appears that the two countries are set to agree on the name of the Vardar River being used to differentiate the Republic of Macedonia from the region in northern Greece by the same name,” Sunday’s edition of the Greek newspaper Kathimerini says, citing unnamed sources.

The newspaper also cites western diplomats as saying that they have noticed visible progress in negotiations since last year when the prime ministers of the two neighboring countries launched a series of direct meetings.

Since Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou came to power in the autumn of 2009, he and his Macedonian counterpart Nikola Gruevski have held several brief face to face meetings. No specific details of the talks have been made public.

There has been no reaction by Greek or Macedonian officials to the most recent claims of a possible name deal.

Kathimerini backs its story with last year’s statement by Risto Nikovski, an advisor to the Macedonian President Georgi Ivanov, that one possible compromise name would be the Republic of Macedonia (Vardar) that would differentiate between the state and the Greek province of Macedonia and at the same time would not require Skopje to change its constitution.

The UN mediator in the 18 year long name dispute, US diplomat Matthew Nimetz, held his last round of name talks in February. Media then mentioned the possibility that both countries might agree to the name Republic of Northern Macedonia, but that has not yet happened.

However, Nimetz’s office insists that he “is in very frequent contact with both parties”, as UN Deputy Spokesman Ari Gaitanis said last week.

Athens and Skopje are locked in a dispute over the use of the name Macedonia. Athens fears that Skopje’s official name, Republic of Macedonia implies territorial claims against its own northern province with the same name.

In 2008 Athens effectively blocked Skopje’s NATO accession over the name row, and made a similar move last year to stop Skopje from getting a date for the start of its EU accession talks.

[fyrOM]

I doubt it. Golden rule greeks lie. Id wait to see the response.

[Daskalot]

There has been renewed speculation that Greece and Macedonia are close to solving their name spat by using a name that includes Macedonia’s biggest river, Vardar, as a geographical determinant to distinguish the state from the Greek northern province, Greek media say.

“It appears that the two countries are set to agree on the name of the Vardar River being used to differentiate the Republic of Macedonia from the region in northern Greece by the same name,” Sunday’s edition of the Greek newspaper Kathimerini says, citing unnamed sources.

The newspaper also cites western diplomats as saying that they have noticed visible progress in negotiations since last year when the prime ministers of the two neighboring countries launched a series of direct meetings.

Since Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou came to power in the autumn of 2009, he and his Macedonian counterpart Nikola Gruevski have held several brief face to face meetings. No specific details of the talks have been made public.

There has been no reaction by Greek or Macedonian officials to the most recent claims of a possible name deal.

Kathimerini backs its story with last year’s statement by Risto Nikovski, an advisor to the Macedonian President Georgi Ivanov, that one possible compromise name would be the Republic of Macedonia (Vardar) that would differentiate between the state and the Greek province of Macedonia and at the same time would not require Skopje to change its constitution.

The UN mediator in the 18 year long name dispute, US diplomat Matthew Nimetz, held his last round of name talks in February. Media then mentioned the possibility that both countries might agree to the name Republic of Northern Macedonia, but that has not yet happened.

However, Nimetz’s office insists that he “is in very frequent contact with both parties”, as UN Deputy Spokesman Ari Gaitanis said last week.

Athens and Skopje are locked in a dispute over the use of the name Macedonia. Athens fears that Skopje’s official name, Republic of Macedonia implies territorial claims against its own northern province with the same name.

In 2008 Athens effectively blocked Skopje’s NATO accession over the name row, and made a similar move last year to stop Skopje from getting a date for the start of its EU accession talks.

In all seriousness, where the F*CK is the "Greek province of Macedonia"?????


Please show it to me.

[Daskalot]

777Bitola is this; http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/28745/ the source of this news report?

[Bratot]

Greek speculative media, always powered by it's government in order to produce the wishful result. In a awfuly governed country only awfuly ideas come across.. I just wonder.. led by the geographycal map, isn't the same river of Vardar going trought both parts of Macedonia?

[fyrOM]

Good point Bratot. Are they saying we can have all the parts where the Vardar crosses.

The Vardar or Axios (Macedonian: About this sound Вардар (help·info); Greek: Αξιός Axiós or Βαρδάρης Vardárīs) is the longest and major river in the Republic of Macedonia and also a major river of Greece. It is 388 km (241 mi) long, and drains an area of around 25,000 km2 (9,653 sq mi). The maximum depth of river is 30 m (98 ft).
Map of northwestern Macedonia showing the Vardar

The river rises at Vrutok, a few kilometers north of Gostivar in the Republic of Macedonia. It passes through Gostivar, Skopje and into Veles, crosses the Greek border near Gevgelija, Polykastro and Axioupoli ("town on the Axiós"), before emptying into the Aegean Sea in Central Macedonia west of Thessaloniki in northern Greece.

[fyrOM]

Just like Europeans 1 step up 1 step down.

SUPPORT IN THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT

MEPs seek a date for Macedonia

http://www.vest.com.mk/?ItemID=5ABC9CE5E3C44D49B7370C26CEC86AE5

Ten MEPs including European Parliament Rapporteur for Macedonia Zoran Thaler urged Greece to solidarizira with Macedonia, which deserves to get a date for negotiations, which will boost stability in the region

Ten MEPs from eight member states and four political groups, including the European Parliament Rapporteur for Macedonia Zoran Thaler, yesterday wrote to the European Council, the foreign ministers of the EU and High Representative for Foreign Policy Catherine Ashton, requesting European Council to allocate $ date for negotiations on Macedonia.
Evropratenicite the letter encourage foreign ministers of member states to not putting the decision to start negotiations.
"Delay the decision by the Council may give a negative signal and could threaten the stability of the Balkan region," warned evropratenicite and added that it could seriously undermine kredibilnosta foreign and European policy towards the Western Balkans.
According to them, the European Commission last year voted that Macedonia has made convincing progress on implementing key reforms that deserve to be given $ date for starting membership negotiations.
This decision, evropratenicite expect to support and Greece, in the spirit of solidarity, which it no doubt will strengthen its role in the Balkans.
"This is expected from Greece, a period when bilateral blockades condemn the process of European integration in a time of great solidarity in economic crisis" are emphasized in the letter.
British Ambassador to Macedonia Andrew Key yesterday confirmed that Macedonia remains on the European agenda, but reminds us that failure to overcome name dispute with Greece could block us to obtain a date for negotiations. Key Ambassador in an interview with Radio Free Europe urged political parties in the Assembly to unblock the political dialogue and to find a solution to the Rules in order to obtain the positive report in the autumn. He called for more engagement in the field of judiciary, public administration and fighting corruption.

[777Bitola]

777Bitola is this; http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/28745/ the source of this news report?

Yes it is, this article is a joke and shows Greek Propaganda and fabrication at its best.

[Onur]

Also, you can be sure that getting a ticket to start full membership negotiations doesn't mean much.

For example, Greeks blocked Turkey`s negotiations for about 10 years, as soon as they became member of it. Then they gave us their promise to start negotiations at 1999. Then Greece blocked our negotiations to start for 5 years more. Then we were able to start talking about membership at 2005.

There are a total of 36 chapters to settle with EU for every candidate but we could only deal with 6 of them in six years. The rest of 30 chapters remains unopened because of Greek veto on Turkey about Cyprus and other issues. We couldn't even start on the stupid chapter of food regulations because of Greek veto but everyone knows that the Greek veto is just a lie.

It`s the EU who allow them to veto Turkey or Macedonia. I am %100 sure that the Greek veto can end with just a phonecall from Merkel or Sarkozy.

I mean, Turkey has better economics then the half of current members. We already have the EU regulations for our customs(export/import) since 1991 and in other sectors. Stinkin Bulgaria and junta product of fake Cyprus in asia finished membership negotiations in just two years and they became members quickly. It`s total bullshit, nothing else...

Well, EU is over for Turkey anyway. Most recent poll here, showed a whopping %72 negative opinion for EU membership. So, they just made us waste our last 20 years of time, dealing with them and their stupid regulations.

I wish Macedonia good luck but don't think like you will be in EU asap, after you get a date for negotiations. Greece(aka EU) can block your progression anytime they want.

[Pelister]

In all seriousness, where the F*CK is the "Greek province of Macedonia"?????

Please show it to me.

The first casualty of these negotiations is the truth.

The fact is that the Macedonian leadership (Gruevski and Co.) have been undermining their own history, undermining the suffering and sacrifices of hundreds of thousands of Macedonians (many who are still alive), by failing to stand up to the presuppositions and assumptions that the New Greeks have brought to the table. Its been one tiny compromise after another with these morons. I've said it before the New Greeks are revelling in it. I am certain that they did not think they could be so lucky as to have the Macedonian leadership engage such a deadly process. In an instant a entire century of oppression had been sidelined - And for what? A club membership? We are being sold out, bit by bit, step by step, every day this goes on.

[Prolet]

777Bitola, Just so there is no confusion next time post the url page so we know where the source comes from.

[Prolet]

Onur, Why is the EU so affraid of Turkey joining the EU? Turkey has been a member of the oldest European Organization the Council of Europe which Macedonia is currently the rotating President so why is it a problem if Turkey joins the EU?

[Rogi]

This is bullshit. The article is not worth posting nor reading.

It is the hundredth of its' kind by the same Greek media outlets, in the last 3 years alone.

[Risto the Great]

This one (Vardar) made it to the Greek television news as well.