Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

[slovenec zrinski]

Something is better than nothing.
Boost morale if nothing else.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

I might be going with my family

[George S.]

which part of macedonia are you going to dch?

[Mikail]

Greek comminity of WA threaten John Hyde

The article below appears in the current "Greek Edition" of Neos Kosmos. Neos Kosmos along with the Greek community here in Australia love to threaten our politicians.

It is time both sides of politics here in Australia took a stand on this type of scare mongering and put this community group back in its place.

This radical, nazisist, fundamentalist type of approach takes a slight lead on Islamist extremists over here.

Wake up Australia, you are losing your grip on things. You are here to serve the ENTIRE population! Not just the select few who appear to yell the loudest.

By hardliner John Hyde

Kostis Nikolopoulou

His intention to "fight" for the recognition of FYROM by Australia under its constitutional name, the Labour MP reiterated Perth John Hyde, a meeting in Perth to syntonisti Greek Council Costas Berbati, and the president of the Association Florinaion Mr. Toutoumtzi Kingdom.
As revealed by the "New World" (28/07/2011) Mr. Hyde, shadow minister of state for Culture and Arts, Planning, Multiculturalism and Citizenship in Western Australia, visited Skopje during July and had contacts with government officials FYROM.

After his meeting with President of the Parliamentary Foreign Policy Committee and outgoing Foreign Minister of FYROM Antonio Milososki said: "In Australia there are firm supporters of the" Republic of Macedonia ". We work to promote recognition of the "Republic of Macedonia" under its constitutional name. We come in order to strengthen relations in Western Australia and the "Republic of Macedonia".
After the publication of "New World", the coordinator of the Greek Council, based in Perth, requested a meeting with Mr. Hyde to discuss the content of his statements in Skopje, inform him that his position on the issue of name conflicts the official policy of Australia and the table in terms of homogeneity of its positions.

The meeting held last Monday, but without result. Mr. Berbati said the "New World", that "the meeting proved futile."
"Mr. Hyde remains in place for recognition of PGD in Australia with its constitutional name, arguing that many other countries have recognized the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia with its constitutional name, ie" Republic "Macedonia" .
"The k.Hyde believes that recognition of FYROM by Australia is a matter of years, and pledged to fight alongside the Macedonians to achieve recognition," said Mr. Berbati.

The intransigence of Mr. Hyde has angered the Greeks in Western Australia as far as discussing drastic measures against him.
Homogeneity factors stated in the "New World" that "John Hyde will be the fate of Ron Edwards» Former Labour MP Commonwealth Stirling, Western Australia, who lost his seat in national elections in 1993 because of conflict with the Greeks of Western Australia's "Macedonia".
The intransigence of Mr. Hyde concern and leadership of the Labour Party, concerned about the angry reaction in the next state and Commonwealth elections.

Political parties consider the possibility of the Greek community to influence the outcome of elections, State and Commonwealth-and care not to cause the Greeks with decisions and actions that undermine the interests of the community and the pending national affairs of Greece.

http://neoskosmos.com/news/el/node/16227

[Risto the Great]

[url]http://neoskosmos.com/news/en/Hyde-defends-FYROM-statements[/url] 

John Hyde, the WA Shadow Minister for Multicultural Interests and Citizenship, has rebuffed accusations that he made inappropriate comments to parliamentarians in Skopje when visiting MACEDONIA last month.

As reported previously by Neos Kosmos, Mr Hyde met with the Chairman of the FYROM Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee, Antonio Milososki on July 22. The self-proclaimed 'Macedonian Information Agency' in Skopje reported the meeting under the headline "Efforts made towards speeding up the recognition of the Republic of Macedonia under its constitutional name."

A separate report, published on the web site of the self-proclaimed "Assembly of Macedonia," stated that the MLA for the electorate of Perth, "underlined that Australian MPs are working on proper acknowledgement of the 'Republic of Macedonia' by Australia".

Following the report's publication, Con Berbatis, National Coordinator for the Australian Hellenic Council wrote to Mr Hyde to seek clarification of the Labor MP's alleged statements, which contravene the Australian Government's stated policy in relation to ongoing discussions on the renaming of the MACEDONIA. Australia recognised the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia in 1994, using the nomenclature in accordance with the terminology used by the United Nations.

At the instigation of Mr Hyde, Mr Berbatis met with the WA Shadow Minister after his return to Australia on August 15. Also present was Mr Vic Toutountzis, President of WA's Florina Association. According to Mr Berbatis, during the meeting Mr Hyde acknowledged his position as a supporter of what Skopje refers to as the 'constitutional' name of 'the Republic of Macedonia."

"He's heard the arguments and he's not going to budge," Mr Berbatis told Neos Kosmos following the meeting. "He confirmed he supported the constitutional name. He virtually said two things; that many countries, including the United States have accepted the so called 'constitutional' name, and that in his view, many young Greek Australians in particular 'aren't worked up on the issue'." Following the meeting, the Greek Consul to WA Sofia Choli also invited Mr Hyde to share views on the matter, and to discuss the international treaties that are in place regarding MACEDONIA.

Neos Kosmos tried this week to contact Mr Hyde to ask for his version of the events and the issues in question; the following statement from his office was received: "John Hyde has met with representatives of the Pan-Hellenic community here in Perth and the Greek Consul. Mr Hyde is disappointed that he has been recently attributed to misrepresented comments made in cities that he had not even visited."

Con Berbatis told Neos Kosmos that the Australian Hellenic Council WA would now be writing to Stephen Smith, Federal Member for Perth to make the Minister aware of the issues.

[George S.]

they seem to be panicking & making rash statements of course all untrue.Sooner or later the rest of australia will cave in if we have politicians like john hyde siding with us.People who are very principled & can see the truth & are not in it just for the vote.These are the kind of people that we must link with so that we can win the fight for recognition.

[Bill77]

Sooner or later the rest of australia will cave in if we have politicians like john hyde siding with us.

We can only have people like John Hyde, if we support and encourage them. Where are the Macedonian organisations to come out publicly in defence of John Hyde? he is only human and will only take so much crap from these morons
before he gets sick of it and backs down.

[Zarni]

Sadly John will eventually lose the desire after being threatned and abused Bill is correct in that observation

Make no mistake the Greeks make it very personal, very quickly and the tone they use is plainly brutal

I some time ago posted a view on why hasn’t the Macedonian Community challenged the confusion in a Organisation without any distinction to say it isn’t representive of the Macedonian Community but the Greek Community

The little men behind this organisation came from no other then the Pan-Macedonian mob they are quite above Islamic Fundamentalists set, Jewish Orthodox Zionists and various White supremacists

A net registry whois below

(they had a spiritual awakening only as recently as 2010, they hold an Identity crisis and need to attack Macedonians to make their case legitimate, Macedonians have existed in Australia for over 100 years and should not have to deal with this mobs rants and abuse)


REGISTRY WHOIS FOR MACEDONIAN.COM.AU


Domain Name: macedonian.com.au
Last Modified: 15-May-2010 00:35:00 UTC

Registrant: THE PANMACEDOMIAN ASSOCIATION OF MELBOURNE AND VIC INC
Eligibility Type: Incorporated Association
Eligibility ID: ABN 66672373470

Registrant Contact Name: Australian Macedonian Advisory Council (AMAC) Australian Macedonian Advisory Council (AMAC)
Registrant Contact Email: Visit whois.ausregistry.com.au for Web based WhoIs

[George S.]

Bill you are so right you only need to read the bs that goes on the malaka websites to realize that these people are wacko's & are so psyched up that they live in the past.They will never change as they are like nazis.Also john would need all the macedonian support he can get otherwise like so many they may cave in.Bill where have you been i missed you hardly see you on the forum???.Internet down or somethingg?

[Stojacanec]

They said:

He virtually said two things; that many countries, including the United States have accepted the so called 'constitutional' name, and that in his view, many young Greek Australians in particular 'aren't worked up on the issue'."

It's comments like this that make me see red. The creators of mythology also have a so called financial debt that the rest of Europe have to dig into their pockets and pay.

[AMHRC]

We can only have people like John Hyde, if we support and encourage them. Where are the Macedonian organisations to come out publicly in defence of John Hyde? he is only human and will only take so much crap from these morons
before he gets sick of it and backs down.

Issued July 30 2011: AMHRC expresses its sincere gratitude to Western Australian MP John Hyde following his visit to Macedonia


John HydeThe Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee (AMHRC) would like to express its sincere gratitude to Mr John Hyde MLA for the strong and sincere support he gave Macedonia during his visit to the country last week.

Mr Hyde is the Member for Perth in the Legislative Assembly of the Parliament of Western Australia, and is also the Shadow Minister for Multicultural Interests and Citizenship.

After meetings in the Macedonian Parliament, Mr Hyde said that there are strong supporters of the Republic of Macedonia in Australia and that they are striving towards speeding up the recognition of the country's democratically chosen name. He added that Macedonian migrants have made a very positive contribution to Australian society, especially to the economic prosperity of Perth and Western Australia.

The AMHRC is pleased to have contributed to the organisation of Mr Hyde’s visit to Macedonia. However a special mention here must be made of the efforts of the Honorary Consul of the Republic of Macedonia in Western Australia, Mr Zoran Coseski and others who were instrumental in making the visit a great success.

Mr Hyde has demonstrated himself to be a true friend of the Macedonian community and of Macedonia. The AMHRC urges Macedonians around Australia, especially in Western Australia, to contact Mr Hyde’s office to also express their gratitude and support for his efforts.

John Hyde MLA
446 William Street
Perth, WA 6000
Tel: (08) 9227 8040
Fax: (08) 9227 8060
Email: [email protected]

[Risto the Great]

The AMHRC is pleased to have contributed to the organisation of Mr Hyde’s visit to Macedonia. However a special mention here must be made of the efforts of the Honorary Consul of the Republic of Macedonia in Western Australia, Mr Zoran Coseski and others who were instrumental in making the visit a great success.

Mr Hyde has demonstrated himself to be a true friend of the Macedonian community and of Macedonia. The AMHRC urges Macedonians around Australia, especially in Western Australia, to contact Mr Hyde’s office to also express their gratitude and support for his efforts.

John Hyde MLA
446 William Street
Perth, WA 6000
Tel: (08) 9227 8040
Fax: (08) 9227 8060
Email: [email protected]

Good work and good advice.

[Bill77]

Issued July 30 2011: AMHRC expresses its sincere gratitude to Western Australian MP John Hyde following his visit to Macedonia


John HydeThe Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee (AMHRC) would like to express its sincere gratitude to Mr John Hyde MLA for the strong and sincere support he gave Macedonia during his visit to the country last week.

Mr Hyde is the Member for Perth in the Legislative Assembly of the Parliament of Western Australia, and is also the Shadow Minister for Multicultural Interests and Citizenship.

After meetings in the Macedonian Parliament, Mr Hyde said that there are strong supporters of the Republic of Macedonia in Australia and that they are striving towards speeding up the recognition of the country's democratically chosen name. He added that Macedonian migrants have made a very positive contribution to Australian society, especially to the economic prosperity of Perth and Western Australia.

The AMHRC is pleased to have contributed to the organisation of Mr Hyde’s visit to Macedonia. However a special mention here must be made of the efforts of the Honorary Consul of the Republic of Macedonia in Western Australia, Mr Zoran Coseski and others who were instrumental in making the visit a great success.

Mr Hyde has demonstrated himself to be a true friend of the Macedonian community and of Macedonia. The AMHRC urges Macedonians around Australia, especially in Western Australia, to contact Mr Hyde’s office to also express their gratitude and support for his efforts.

John Hyde MLA
446 William Street
Perth, WA 6000
Tel: (08) 9227 8040
Fax: (08) 9227 8060
Email: [email protected]

Thanks AMHRC.

When i asked (criticised) for Macedonian orgs to get behind Mr Hyde, you guys were an exception and i should have made it clear. It was your post back in 7th July http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showpost.php?p=106644&postcount=9 that inspired me to write to him which he immediately replied and appreciated my email.

What i expect now that he is under attack, is all the Macedonian media in Australia to get behind him and tell its subscribers what is going on and rebuke the treatment towards Mr Hyde by the likes of Neos Kosmos and the other racist, fascist Greek communitee leaders that are just recently trying to put a muzzle on him. This would hopefully make many more Macedonians, not just us here on MTO, show support and email appreciation which would show Mr Hyde that he is fighting for a good cause and it's not for nothing.

We also have the likes of UMD (Australian branch) and the other Macedonian org that the name slips my mind now, to come out with statements.

[Mikail]

The Greeks are simply doing what they have always done best..... they are bullying Mr Hyde and he, like so many others are not prepared to take this crap from them any more.

Neos Kosmos has to be held to task in its role in this bullying campaign.

Mr Hyde has not made comments against Greece or the Greek community. So what's the problem?

[George S.]

sir george those are words of a noble.It's about time the greek govt stop it's stupid stance on the macedonian people & righted the wrongs i'm sure that some will forgive & forget.But greece has to make that move.Well said i'm impreseed that there are people like you around.
I don't know how to say it but if greece & macedonia didn't have any obstacles i'm sure they would both prosper not this eu debt bullshit.
All i can say a change of attitude is all it takes & you'll see that the macedonians will be obliging.It's got to be 2way.