Originally posted by Makedonetz
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Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue
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Their focus should be reuniting the broken ties we suffered and the reunification of Macedonia North to South West & East and human rights for our familys.Makedoncite se borat
za svoite pravdini!
"The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
- Goce Delchev
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Originally posted by ProtivpropagandaAnd last but not least we do not have a puppet Macedonian diaspora but individuals who work for the interests of others.
Please clarify what you mean by the above.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostPP,
Please clarify what you mean by the above.
Yes - please clarify!On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"
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Sorry for the delay in the reply I had other engagements.
Originally posted by julie View Postprotiv propaganda its heartening to hear that there is a collective consciousness in the macedonian identity . How can the diaspora help ?
It is obvious that there is something wrong in the communication between the Fatherland and the Diaspora.
Just giving money as help or charity didn't do the job. It just helped deepen the devide. Why? I have some theories but very little evidence to justify them. At this time I can only speculate on the matter which I am hesitant to do.
Our self awareness today compared to that of the time of our independence is very favourable but we are not out of the water yet, problems still persist and new ones are being constantly created.
Soldier of Macedon
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Originally Posted by Protivpropaganda
And last but not least we do not have a puppet Macedonian diaspora but individuals who work for the interests of others.
Please clarify what you mean by the above.
P.S.
My nick is Protivpropaganda. I see the unauthorised abbreviation of my nick as a sign of disrespect from people who I do not know or had the pleasure of communication with in the past.
We are Macedonians. We do not change people's names without their consent unless we have a wish to insult or belittle them.
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Originally posted by George S. View Post
MK what's your connection with the makedonska kafana website??
YouTube - Makedonska KafanaLast edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 12-13-2010, 06:52 AM.
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Originally posted by protivpropaganda View PostPlease state your question with more precision and clarity because I see no reason to clarify the quoted sentence as its meaning is self evident.
And last but not least we do not have a puppet Macedonian diaspora but individuals who work for the interests of others.
My nick is Protivpropaganda. I see the unauthorised abbreviation of my nick as a sign of disrespect from people who I do not know or had the pleasure of communication with in the past.
We are Macedonians. We do not change people's names without their consent unless we have a wish to insult or belittle them.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Has the Interim Accord been rejected in the hearts and minds of the Macedonian people
Has the Interim Accord been rejected in the hearts and minds of the Macedonian people?
A reasonable question in my opinion and worthy of discussion. We have looked at the Interim Accord in the past and realise how degrading it was and continues to be for Macedonians. If we (briefly) set aside any discussions about purported legalities of this "agreement", I am concerned that Macedonians accept it as a necessary fact of life that individual Macedonians (and as a collective) are condemned to suffer with for eternity.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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The Albanians took up arms when no one was shooting or killing them.
With the Albanians facing defeat the usa threatened to bomb RoM to stop and then introduced the Framework Agreement.
Anyone would call being threatened to be bombed duress.
Any court recognises anything signed under duress as invalid.
The Framework Agreement is therefore invalid.
Having started as a result of Albanians taking up arms when no one was killing them one can only liken it to an armed robber taking goods from a store at gun point and then the police pointing a gun at the store owner for drawing his gun and expecting the store owner to sign over ownership of the goods.
Its that simple.
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Originally posted by OziMak View PostWith the Albanians facing defeat the usa threatened to bomb RoM to stop and then introduced the Framework Agreement.
Anyone would call being threatened to be bombed duress.
Any court recognises anything signed under duress as invalid.
The Framework Agreement is therefore invalid.
OM, be that as it may, this thread topic IS about the Interim Accord, which has been extensively debated in the recent past here on MTO, and we should stick to that for now as it is what forces Macedonia to "negotiate" over its name and that of the identity of the Macedonian national and ethnic entity.
Secondly, one should keep in mind that an overwhelming number of MTO members support/supported the "end the name negotiations" call by a number of organisations and individuals and this is a general feeling amongst Diaspora Macedonians and many inside Macedonia as well. What some (Interim) Accord supporters did is to jump on the bandwagon in order not to isolate themselves politically but in fact they are OPPOSED to the call and there is a need to identify those and to let them come clean on where they stand. IMO, Bratot is one of those, as I have continually pointed out in the last six months or so!
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostHas the Interim Accord been rejected in the hearts and minds of the Macedonian people?If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Do you think of ceasing the negotiations as a means, or ceasing of the negotiations as a goal?The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot
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Originally posted by Bratot View PostDo you think of ceasing the negotiations as a means, or ceasing of the negotiations as a goal?
Negotiating our identity is a violation of our natural rights. Ending this violation is an end in itself. You seem to think this is some sort of "game" where the negotiations are a "tactic" to achieve some "greater end". National self-determination is the Macedonian cause. The FREEDOM of the Macedonian people to FREELY make their own decisions is the Macedonian cause. The negotiations are in direct contradiction to this cause - ending them is not a "means", its an act of exercising our FREEDOM.Last edited by Vangelovski; 12-14-2010, 03:14 AM.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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