Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and his Macedonian ancestry

[MKPrilep]

please tell me one where you can find the information
that his mother was macedonian?
sorry but I can´t find nothing.

Atatürk was born in 1881 at the Kocakasım ward of Salonika, in a three story pink house located on Islahhane Street. His father is Ali Rıza Efendi and his mother Zübeyde Hanım. His paternal grandfather, Hafız Ahmed Efendi belonged to the Kocacık nomads who were settled in Macedonia during the XIV - XV th centuries. His mother Zübeyde Hanım was the daughter of an Old Turkish family who had settled in the town of Langasa near Salonika.

[George S.]

we allready know that he was born in solun in time when it was macedonian.He studied in bitola & learned military tactics.We also learn that his macedonian mum was very forcefull & he picked up a lot of ideas from her influence.So as a father of the turkey nation who was born in solun to a macedonian mother he would desrve to get some sort of commemoration.
Remember that macedonians & turks are allies & turkey is helping macedonia quite a lot in many ways.I think allready with the attaturk commeration house macedonia has done much to recognize attaturk.Do people know that macedonia has given the turkish museum a couple of topcina made of chereshni wood for show.Also there is respective exchange of cultures & trade amongst the two countries.Not to mention holiday making in turkey etc.

[Soldier of Macedon]

I need more evidence then Time Magazine in order to really believe that he has slome sort of Macedonian heritage.

What you need to do is spend some time using the search function on this forum. Check the below link for more sources regarding Kemal and his Macedonian background:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=457&highlight=mustafa+kemal&page=8

He himself claimed to be a pure Turk he believed his family settled the region in the 15 century.

Really? Can you refer me to a link in the same way that I have done above?

We should also put statues of prominent English monarchs in Macedonia aswell because according to Donski they are related to Samoil.

That is not the same thing. Kemal was born in Macedonia and the Macedonian element in his culture and genes would be monumentally more significant than some monarch from England. I think the statue should be considered as a gesture of goodwill towards our Turkish minority.

People are complaining that the government spent money on Macedonian hero's that actaully meant something to the country that actaully fought for OUR independance then they go out and believe it's ok to put Ataturk in bitola because he went to school there and his mum was aparently Macedonian.

I agree with you to a certain extent. Can you tell me what Mustafa Kemal has done in his lifetime that was detrimental to Macedonia? What exactly are your arguments against this statue?

[vojnik]

Some converted opportunistically, others were forced. Right or wrong, it is the way it is. While I wish to have Orthodox Christianity preserved as the prevalent Macedonian religion based on centuries of cultural continuity, I wouldn't reject a fellow Macedonian based on their religious beliefs. Anybody that does clearly rates their religion above their Macedonian identity.

As for the Kemal statue, I don't see a major issue with it.

How can you not see a major issue with a statue of a Turkish leader and founder of the Turkish nation in Macedonia? I need more evidence then Time Magazine in order to really believe that he has slome sort of Macedonian heritage. He himself claimed to be a pure Turk he believed his family settled the region in the 15 century. We should also put statues of prominent English monarchs in Macedonia aswell because according to Donski they are related to Samoil.

People are complaining that the government spent money on Macedonian hero's that actaully meant something to the country that actaully fought for OUR independance then they go out and believe it's ok to put Ataturk in bitola because he went to school there and his mum was aparently Macedonian.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Even if she was Macedonian Muslim that means she is a Torbesh you know the people that sold their religion for higher rankings in Ottoman society.

Some converted opportunistically, others were forced. Right or wrong, it is the way it is. While I wish to have Orthodox Christianity preserved as the prevalent Macedonian religion based on centuries of cultural continuity, I wouldn't reject a fellow Macedonian based on their religious beliefs. Anybody that does clearly rates their religion above their Macedonian identity.

As for the Kemal statue, I don't see a major issue with it.

[George S.]

I think everything in moderation,they have allready given a commemoration house which is an excellent gesture & it will be visited by a lot of turkish visitors.A very befitting gesture among respected friends & allies.Don't forget the turks & macedonians are the best of friends & that should stay like that.I suppose that's the only thing that stands out that they done right(the ROM GOvt).

[vojnik]

A statue of Ataturk in Macedonia is ridiculous he regarded himself as a Turk fought and died for the Turkish nation and just went to school in Bitola he has no place for a statue to be dedicated to him in our country. I can't find any source about him being half Macedonian besides Time Magazine his mother was a radical Muslim woman who wanted Ataturk to be some sort of a Muslim fanatic like herself. Even if she was Macedonian Muslim that means she is a Torbesh you know the people that sold their religion for higher rankings in Ottoman society.

[George S.]

i agree that we should keep the statues simple and small.or are we trying to oudooourselves in some way.Allready in bitola there is a house dedicated to attaturk & i'm sure virtually all are pleased with it but to build giant statues on horses of the size of alexander is an overkill.Macedonia should keep it simple or have statues everywhere & ruin it for everyone.
I don't know why the albanians are allowed to build statues of their terrorists particularly when they are responsible for treason in the 2001 war.

[lavce pelagonski]

I think this also may be the reason why the statue is going up dont you think, oh ye and the Albanian thing too.

Onur what do you think about this, do they have it right.

[lavce pelagonski]

This is what Time magazine had to say about Ataturk

Turkey: The land a dictator turned into a democracy

The Father of All the Turks (who left no legitimate heirs) was born in 1881 in Salonika, then part of the Ottoman Empire, of a mild Albanian father and a forceful Macedonian mother. Mustafa was a rebel from the start. His pious Mohammedan mother urged him to become a holy man, but he became a soldier; at 22, a captain, he rebelled against the Sultan and was nearly executed; at 27, he joined the Young Turks rebellion, then rebelled against the Young Turks.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,860057-1,00.html

I wont post the whole article because it is very long and I havent read it all but this got my attention. If his mother was Macedonian and if she was muslim would she have therefore been considered a Torbesh ?

[BigMak]

Mastika, Mother Teresa is a worldly figure, evenyone in the world knows about her and what she did.

Ataturk is not on the name level.

I have no objections for a memorial house for Ataturk ( I believe there is already on in Bitola)- even a small monument at the house. But to build a "big statue" for him in Bitola is ridiculous.

He deserves a place for him to be remembered, particularly for visiting Turks, but lets keep it real.

I agree no need for a large statue of a turkish ruler, lets keep the large statues for Macedonian Figures, I am already disappointed with that the statue of the Manaki Brothers its to big. a smaller one would have been ideal.

[indigen]

Indigen, is it you? So, you support Mustafa Kemal`s statue?

Indigen`s account has been hacked or somethin? What`s up with all that info above here? What happened to the indigen who constantly writes like "Mongols, Tourko-Mongols, Tatars"???

You either suffer from AMNESIA or have comprehension problems!

[Onur]

Indigen, is it you? So, you support Mustafa Kemal`s statue?

Indigen`s account has been hacked or somethin? What`s up with all that info above here? What happened to the indigen who constantly writes like "Mongols, Tourko-Mongols, Tatars"???

[indigen]

Mastika, Mother Teresa is a worldly figure, evenyone in the world knows about her and what she did.

Ataturk is not on the name level.

ireland-family.net/picture_library/presidential_force_turkey.JPG
The presidential insignia Republic of Turkey since 11000 years in central Asia; - designed again and new by Excellency President Mustafa Kemal Atatürk in 1923.

IRELAND WORLD WIDE ON THE WEB
IN 1847 DURING THE GREAT FAMINE AND DEATH - IN IRELAND THE UNIQUE HUMANITARIAN RELIEF CAME ONLY FROM THE EMPEROR AND PEOPLE OF TURKEY-FOR MY EMERALD FAMILY.

During the great starvation; - in Ireland 1846-1851 the death of 1,5 million people and children the sole humanitarian relief came only from the Emperor of Turkey (Ottoman Empire)

Photo: Excellency Mary McAlleese the President of Ireland, wreath laying ceremony for Mustafa Kemal Atatürk at the Mouseleum in Ankara/Turkey.

Photo: Excellency Mary McAlleese the President of Ireland during a ceremony for Mustafa Kemal Atatürk at the Mouseleum in Ankara/Turkey.

Photo: A wreath from Ireland for Mustafa Kemal Atatürk the founding father Republic of Turkey from Excellency Mary McAlleese the President of Ireland at the Mouseleum in Ankara/Turkey.

Photo: The inside of the great Mouseleum for the man of the century; - Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (Anitkabir) Ankara/Turkey.

Photo: Excellency Mary McAlleese the unique President of Ireland said; - during a statememt in Ankara/Turkey;-

“I grow up as a child in Ireland with the pictures of “Mustafa Kemal Atatürk„ with the unique man of the century.

ireland-family.net/picture_library/turk_is_his_own_master.jpg
Photo:The man of the century; - Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and the Time Magazine cover 1929 with the sentence; - a Turk is his own master.

Photo: The Irish President excellency Mary McAlleese, salutes the world "1'st" and oldest "Military Band";- and the military guard during her official visit at the Turkish president pallace in Ankara/Turkey 2009.

Photo: The Irish President excellency Mary McAlleese salutes; - The Northstar Family Members; - during her official visit at the Turkish presidents pallace in Ankara/Turkey 2009.

Against neglect
We the people of Ireland&Turkey we know very well and we will never forget our true world history to make a better future for all of us.

The pictures and content are from Turkish&Irish Ambassador and Diplomats, Topkapı Pallace Istanbul/Turkey, Archives of Topkapı Pallace Istanbul/Turkey, City of Dublin/Ireland, City of Drogheda/Ireland, Football Club of Drogheda/Ireland, Naval Museum Istanbul/Turkey, Naval Museum Dublin/Ireland, Naval Museum Drogheda, private collection, Turkish&Irish family members around the world.

http://www.ireland-family.net/english/ireland.www.htm

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Given the importance of Turkey internationally and the significance placed on the founding father of the state, no doubt ALL nations (and their media) dealing with the state of Turkey will be keenly aware of the significance of Kemal Ataturk!

I have no objections for a memorial house for Ataturk ( I believe there is already on in Bitola)- even a small monument at the house. But to build a "big statue" for him in Bitola is ridiculous.

No doubt it will be good for tourism but I also think it needs some real consideration of what is appropriate.

He deserves a place for him to be remembered, particularly for visiting Turks, but lets keep it real.

I agree.


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FYI: 42. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk won Time's "Man of the Century"

He was voted (online) as the most important person of the 20th Century. (Eventually Churchill took 1st because Ataturk and Mustafa Kemal Ataturk were counted separately).
http://www.democraticunderground.com...esg_id=2984729

[Onur]

Btw, Macedonia wont be the first for that because already there are Mustafa Kemal statues, monuments all over the world for decades, like in Japan, Australia, New Zealand etc.

Most interesting one is in the central park in Havana, Cuba even tough Ataturk didn't have their political view at all. The deputy president of Fidel Castro opened it by saying that Mustafa Kemal was the greatest man of the last century who stood up against imperialists, capitalists and defeated them with his own people. He said that Che Guevara was also admiring Ataturk`s achievements and they were considering him as a role model against their struggle vs USA. Afaik, Mustafa Kemal`s is the only statue of a foreign politician in Cuba.