Turkish forces liquidated 15 women PKK fighters

[fatso]

No. If Kurdistan gets formed in eastern Anatolia, then you will see Fatso and all other Greeks here from day 1, supporting the division of kurdistan in favor of Armenia.

As you know, so-called historical armenia overlaps the so-called historical kurdistan. I would like to see what would happen then tough because i know that if eastern Anatolia becomes kurdistan, it will surely be a CIA/Israel colony, then probably with the support of Russians, Armenia declares a war to the Kurds.

Btw, why do you think Kurds refused all the promises of British in WW-1 and supported Turks instead? Because they knew that their survival depends on the survival of Turkey, otherwise their so-called historical kurdistan would be an Armenian kingdom today without even single kurd in it.

Onur, When backed into a corner you either regress or disappear for a while. Your comments about Kurd's were harsh and racist.
I have asked you several questions....you conveniently ignore..
Like I said before you are not fooling me.
Bottom line you are a hypocrite.

[fatso]

I wonder if the event of a "ethnic kurdistan" ever coming to fruition, would the majority of the griks support the prospect of their little brother Armenia giving away a bit of land for "ethnic kurdistan".......

Hey Big Bad .

Next time you choose to quote me or accuse me of something, read my thread to its entirety. Otherwise keep me out of you trash.

[Risto the Great]

Risto, lets say a Kurdistan state gets created by the west. Then do you honestly think that this will really be a kurdish nation? Do you really believe this stupid leftist fantasy?

A kurdish state cannot possibly be something other than a Mossad+CIA operated nest of terrorism and radical islamists, funded by the drug money coming from the pockets of heroin addict European youth.

Think about today`s Kosovo, multiply the amount of crime and all the evil by 100, that will be your kurdistan.

These are a massive grouping of people of a singular ethnicity bound by their customs, religion and language. They deserve a nation and somehow missed out when the west was playing games decades ago.

As I mentioned before, I only know 2 Kurdish people. They are both doctors and do not represent any threat to me. I guess they could offer me drugs, but will assume they are legal ones at this point. At this point 100% of all Kurds I personally know are highly educated and display impeccable manners. Obviously I will not generalise any more than that. I have met some highly educated Macedonians who are some of the most despicable people I have ever met.

Either way, many millions of Kurdish people are willing to die in order to achieve self determination. The fact that the West can capitalise on this disharmony in the region is not the root of the problem. It is merely an opportunity they will not let pass. They can't help themselves.

There is no comparison with ethnic Albanians of Macedonia. They have a nation ... in Albania.

[Onur]

These are a massive grouping of people of a singular ethnicity bound by their customs, religion and language. They deserve a nation and somehow missed out when the west was playing games decades ago.

The west is still playing games, don't worry about that.

As I mentioned before, I only know 2 Kurdish people. They are both doctors and do not represent any threat to me. I guess they could offer me drugs, but will assume they are legal ones at this point. At this point 100% of all Kurds I personally know are highly educated and display impeccable manners.

Thats the problem already. While you only know two kurdish immigrants in Australia and the other people here probably don't even know one but both you and the others speaks like they know something about this issue while their knowledge is limited with wikipedia and biased media.

On the other hand, we are living with 12-14 million of them here and experiencing the terror they are forcing us to live with. Thats the difference, and this is a big one.

There is no comparison with ethnic Albanians of Macedonia. They have a nation ... in Albania.

Kurds also have a state in northern Iraq. They only lack official declaration but probably they don't do that just because they wanna enlarge kurdistan as much as possible before that.

Also 1000s of Albanians all around Europe protesting Macedonia for discrimination and violating their human rights;

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...postcount=2268

Should i believe this and condemn you for violating the human rights of my "fellow muslim brothers"? Sure i would do that if i wouldn't know whats really going on in there, just like you guys do here for the Kurds.

And yes, you are right. There cant be a comparison between them because Albanians doesn't kill you but kurds not only killing us but also terrorizing us for 3 decades. You can only compare with Albanians and Kurds when Albanians plant landmines in the streets, kills offduty policemen with snipers, trains albanian women with kalashnikovs in the mountains of kosovo and does suicide bombing attacks in Skopje, otherwise we cant.

[Vangelovski]

Onur,

Do you know what one of the fundamental differences between the Albanians and the Kurds are? Macedonia does not occupy any Albanian territory (its the other way round), where as Turkey occupies the majority of Kurdish territory.

[Onur]

Onur,

Do you know what one of the fundamental differences between the Albanians and the Kurds are? Macedonia does not occupy any Albanian territory (its the other way round), where as Turkey occupies the majority of Kurdish territory.

Don't make me laugh. Please say that to an Albanian.

Did you forget that you are 6th century invaders, occupying ancient illyrian lands, the land of eagle, shqiperia?

Your opinion is irrelevant to them, just like my opinion is irrelevant to you.

[George S.]

Onur do the turks hold any so called kurdish territory.If they do will they give it back why not???Also the pkk ism't that an illegal terrorist organization committing attrocities on innocent turks.
Also those maps cut into so many countries on kurdistan that how are they going to create a kurdistan & violate the borders.

[Zarni]

I shake my head when I read a view from a Macedonian that is good an proper highlighting you should not stereotype an entire Community
you shouldn't I rather not but.....

...Try telling Macedonians that who live in Tetovo and Gostivar to have faith in their fellow Albanian neighbour, or the 5000 Macedonians who live like the garbage workers of Indonesia because their Albanian Neighbours who they knew for years still dont want them to return to their homes after they were ethnically cleansed by their very friends
what a hard burden to carry

[Vangelovski]

Don't make me laugh. Please say that to an Albanian.

Did you forget that you are 6th century invaders, occupying ancient illyrian lands, the land of eagle, shqiperia?

Your opinion is irrelevant to them, just like my opinion is irrelevant to you.

Onur, don't get too clever with the slav comments. Macedonia has much more than "opinion" on its side when it comes to traditional Albanian territories.

[EgejskaMakedonia]

Did you forget that you are 6th century invaders, occupying ancient illyrian lands, the land of eagle, shqiperia?.

Mate, there's no need to mock and insult us all for the sake of getting back at a few Macedonian members for their position on the Kurd issue...

[Onur]

Mate, there's no need to mock and insult us all for the sake of getting back at a few Macedonian members for their position on the Kurd issue...

He just told me the his opinion about eastern Anatolia and that was inline with general kurdish stance, then i reminded him general Albanian stance towards Macedonia and Macedonians.

Whats the insult on that?

If that was an insult, then he was the one who insulted me first.

[EgejskaMakedonia]

He just told me the his opinion about eastern Anatolia and that was inline with general kurdish stance, then i reminded him general Albanian stance towards Macedonia and Macedonians.

Whats the insult on that?

If that was an insult, then he was the one who insulted me first.

The way you stated it sounded from a first person perspective. That's true, that is the Albanian stance but it sounded very close to an personal opinion the way you worded it.

I guess just a misinterpretation of your post, unless you actually believe that...

[Risto the Great]

Thats the problem already. While you only know two kurdish immigrants in Australia and the other people here probably don't even know one but both you and the others speaks like they know something about this issue while their knowledge is limited with wikipedia and biased media.

I will assume you believe that if a nation called Kurdistan was created, that criminal activity would increase throughout the entire region.

I think the opposite would occur.

I don't see how your opinion specifically on that this matter should be any more significant than mine. Just because Kurds can be viewed as terrorists (by Turks) right now, does not mean they are not worthy of their own nation.

On the other hand, we are living with 12-14 million of them here and experiencing the terror they are forcing us to live with. Thats the difference, and this is a big one.

12-14 million people in Turkey are not even allowed to learn their own language. There are millions in neighbouring states as well. I'd get a little angry about this and if there were tens of millions of people like me, I'd be demanding a fair bit to be honest.

Kurds also have a state in northern Iraq. They only lack official declaration but probably they don't do that just because they wanna enlarge kurdistan as much as possible before that.

They have no nation. Your opinion is that they can have one any time but, because it is not big enough, they will not do it. This can't be any more than an opinion.

Also 1000s of Albanians all around Europe protesting Macedonia for discrimination and violating their human rights;

That is fine. But the reality of the situation is very obvious to all parties, no matter what agenda is being pushed.

And yes, you are right. There cant be a comparison between them because Albanians doesn't kill you but kurds not only killing us but also terrorizing us for 3 decades. You can only compare with Albanians and Kurds when Albanians plant landmines in the streets, kills offduty policemen with snipers, trains albanian women with kalashnikovs in the mountains of kosovo and does suicide bombing attacks in Skopje, otherwise we cant.

This sort of stuff was happening in Yugoslav times. However, if millions of Albanians existed, I suspect they would have had a nation far more significant than Kosovo carved out of the former Yugoslavia by now.

I think it is awful and in fact very racist to paint millions of people in the same negative fashion Onur. I certainly don't do this to Albanians or Greeks or anyone else for that matter.

[Vangelovski]

He just told me the his opinion about eastern Anatolia and that was inline with general kurdish stance, then i reminded him general Albanian stance towards Macedonia and Macedonians.

Whats the insult on that?

If that was an insult, then he was the one who insulted me first.

I didn't give you an "opinion" on Kurdish territory, I gave you a historical FACT.

[Onur]

12-14 million people in Turkey are not even allowed to learn their own language. There are millions in neighbouring states as well.

Thats wrong. There are kurdish learning courses in Turkey for more than 15 years and state sponsored 24/7 kurdish language tv channel for about 3 years. There are also kurdish magazines and newspapers for about 15 years and most importantly, there are kurdish language institutes in 3 different universities for 2 years.

The only issue is, they demand education in full kurdish language for few years but this is something impossible for Turkey because Turkey is not a country where only Turks and Kurds lives. You can think about like Australia where education is in English only. Already, the very first proper kurdish dictionary is not even older than 60-70 years, so who can educate people with it? who will be the teachers? who will provide necessary funds for kurdish teachers? This is a nation state and our taxmoney cannot possibly be spend for an education in other than Turkish.

I think it is awful and in fact very racist to paint millions of people in the same negative fashion Onur. I certainly don't do this to Albanians or Greeks or anyone else for that matter.

This is a fact in Turkey. About half of the kurds in Turkey passively supports PKK while they have around 2000-3000 active militants. The other kurds who doesn't support PKK will continue to do this as long as they leech massive social funds.

I only painted negative picture about their insane breeding habits for "obvious" reasons and yes, if anyone in the modern world breeds around 40 children in 2012, i call them rats and cockroaches, this wasnt specifically for kurds.

I didn't give you an "opinion" on Kurdish territory, I gave you a historical FACT.

Nope. There was never a state, country or a nation called kurdistan here throughout history. So, your so-called kurdistan nation as shallow as illyrian nation which includes Macedonia.

If we follow your logic, then the millions of gypies who lives in Bulgaria and Romania for at least 1000 years deserves a nation of their own too. So, should we demand for the formation of united chigania, by taking lands from Bulgaria and Romania?