Turkish forces liquidated 15 women PKK fighters

[George S.]

Saturday, March 24, 2012, 15:01 World

http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/DetalNewsInstant.asp?vestInstant=4301

Turkish forces liquidated 15 women PKK fighters
Fifteen women, women belonging to the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) were killed today during clashes between Turkish security forces and Kurdish rebels in Bitlis province in southeastern Turkey.


In a statement, the Turkish Ministry of Interior which infromira for the liquidation of the women fighters of the PKK, not navedebi more details on the clashes. In 1984 AKP began an armed struggle for Kurdish autonomy in southeastern Turkey, which has killed more than 40,000 people of which most civilians. PKK is on the list of terrorist organizations in Turkey, the EU and USA.

[Zarni]

Kill em all

[Risto the Great]

PKK is on the list of terrorist organizations in Turkey, the EU and USA.

Oh, (after a fresh coat of paint), that means they will be USA's best friends soon.

[Brian]

They're out of my list so I don't really care but....
The irony...it's staggering.

Just out of curiosity was there ever an independent Kurdistan state/country?

[Onur]

"Liquidated" is not a good term to use because they just have been shot by bullets after killing our five of our off-duty policemen for fun. I am just saying this to correct it otherwise i wouldn't care if they would shot, liquidated or burned whatever.

Don't get fooled by the tag "women". These people are getting trained in northern Iraq mountains as early as 7-8 years old, learning how to use kalashnikovs, how to use sniper rifles, plant landmines, how to successfully explode themselves for suicide bombing but they do that after breeding at least 10 new kurdish baby in the mountains, for the future PKK recruits. This is the life of ordinary kurdish women.

Btw no. An independent entity called kurdistan never existed in history. It exists as a geographical term for about 1000 years but never as a state. But thats kinda irrelevant because it was same for Armenia too `till 1990s except few Armenian state creation attempts before for only 1-2 years or just months.

[George S.]

Onur couldn't they put them somewhere i think they were saying northern iraq??How much of turkey do they want.What is the solution to the problem???

[Onur]

George, historical region of kurdistan only covers easternmost anatolia and it was landlocked as shown here;

Even this map is pretty big because it also covers the Turkmen and Azeri inhabited areas in northwestern Iran. Also kurdish population in Anatolia doesnt exist as north as represented here. This even reaches Georgia border. There are no kurds there, never been.


BUT they started to publish new enlarged maps since 1980s which includes as west as the city of Mersin, Hatay to be able to reach mediterranean sea and have a naval spot for the future kurdistan. Ofc the reason is; to be able to sell Iraqi oil from there. These maps started to appear after Iraqi operation. Here is one;

As soon as the decision of first gulf war has been made by George Bush the first, Kurds got over excited and started to publish these maps, because they were thinking like they will have northern Iraqi oil, so they needed a seaport for this and they enlarged their future kurdistan `till mediterranean sea. This event also started massive migration of kurds from eastern Anatolia to these coastal cities of Hatay, Mersin. There was not even single kurd in these cities before 1990 but now, around 200.000 kurds lives there, about half of the population of these cities.


More interestingly, future kurdistan maps continues to enlarge as CIA decides to change the map of middle-east After the tensions between Syria/Iran with USA/Israel, these new ridicules maps started to appear in Brussels, Washington and everywhere else in the world;

This is the new kurdistan, version 2012. As you can see, new Kurdistan is becoming as large as Australia, reaching mediterrain sea from Anatolia, covering entire northern Syria and reaching Persian gulf from the south

Btw, these maps are not drawn only by Pan-Kurdist people. Western world really gives these promises to the kurds and kurds believe it. It`s like the mega Illyrian kingdom maps covering nearly whole Balkans drawn by some Albanians but this is more serious, at least kurds believes so.


I believe that the only solution is bombing CIA backed nortern Iraq with chemical weapons because kurds wont stop as long as they get support and promises from west and as long as they get massive amounts of funds from heroin trade. Yes, chemical bombs may sound brutal but this will also save future generation of kurds. I mean, they don't have any future already. I told you about how the life of usual kurdish women above. As long as these terrorist nests funded by heroin money and psychologically supported by the west, remains operative, kurds will not have any future.

If this situation continues, then i see two possible way for the future.
First one is; USA really manages to invade Syria and Iran and this new kurdistan gets created by them.
Second one is; USA starts war with Iran and if Kurds joins US operation [most likely they will], then Iran bombs kurds with chemicals, surviving kurds takes refuge to Turkey [because there are nowhere else to take refuge] and the kurdish problem gets on hold and postpones for about 40-50 years `till kurdish people breeds and increase their population again and starts dreaming about kurdistan one more time.

[George S.]

Thanks for the reply professor!
if they give them that land what's left of turkey?doesn't look much.I never knew kurdistan was so big.Perhaps if there is a war with iran & they help the west maybe they might let them go into iran.The terrorists are so fanatical that life doesn't mean anything & they just want to kill people perhaps some sort of solution might come in the end.If you guys concede any land to them,why should you? there is hardly anything left for you.Also these people must breed like rabits.Correct me if i'm wrong they are 30-40 million kurdish population.

[slovenec zrinski]

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter

[fatso]

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter

so true...

[Onur]

if they give them that land what's left of turkey?doesn't look much.

Turkey never gives a pinch of land to anyone. It`s impossible. If they goes of the limit, this just means civil war and the end of kurdish existence in Turkey. Thats why PKK always uses controlled conflict policy. They push it as hard as possible to convince Turkish public to give up eastern anatolia to the kurds in their minds but thats not possible because we have ~850 year old Seljuk era monuments in there. What kurds have there is none beside their self existence and their 4 wives with 40 children, new recruits for PKK.

I never knew kurdistan was so big.Perhaps if there is a war with iran & they help the west maybe they might let them go into iran.The terrorists are so fanatical that life doesn't mean anything & they just want to kill people perhaps some sort of solution might come in the end.If you guys concede any land to them,why should you? there is hardly anything left for you.

So-caller Kurdistan gets bigger as the Pentagon decides to open new fronts for the NATO/US army.

Pentagon starts new war in middle-east and Kurds cheers and starts to draw new, bigger Kurdistan maps.

Also these people must breed like rabits.Correct me if i'm wrong they are 30-40 million kurdish population.

Yes. Ordinary kurdish man has 4 wives and some has over 50 children. Most parents dont even know their names. They are getting social funds and free health care for every children they have, ofc it`s getting paid by Turkish taxpayers money. Few months ago, AKP government also passed a new law and provided free healthcare and medicine to any Turkish citizen below 300$ monthly income. Ofc this is for the Kurds again because most of them doesn't work, no jobs. Already, Kurdish people are Erdogan`s vote depot in the elections. About 60% of them votes for Erdogan`s party and the rest 40% votes for BDP (PKK`s political organ). Basically, Turkish government trying to prevent a civil war with giving massive funds to the Kurds for decades because if anyone stops funneling money to them, then all of them votes for PKK`s party and civil war starts in Turkey in less 6 months.

Kurdish population in Turkey was around 600.000 in 1928 but today, it`s around 12-14 million and they continue to breed like rats but as the birthrate, their deathrate is also so high among them. As you know, sometimes they sell their own daughters and kill them if they refuse to marry.

so true...

I am gonna say the same thing to you when/if Albanians in chameria, Macedonians in Aegean side and Turks in western Thrace starts to demand same things and you know what, you Greeks wont even be able to hurt them either because you will find Turkey against you if you dare to touch neither of them.

Don't think like it cannot happen. Who can say that there wont be any anarchy in Greece nowadays?

[vicsinad]

Turkey never gives a pinch of land to anyone. It`s impossible. If they goes of the limit, this just means civil war and the end of kurdish existence in Turkey. Thats why PKK always uses controlled conflict policy. They push it as hard as possible to convince Turkish public to give up eastern anatolia to the kurds in their minds but thats not possible because we have ~850 year old Seljuk era monuments in there. What kurds have there is none beside their self existence and their 4 wives with 40 children, new recruits for PKK.


So-caller Kurdistan gets bigger as the Pentagon decides to open new fronts for the NATO/US army.

Pentagon starts new war in middle-east, Kurds cheers and starts to draw new bigger Kurdistan maps.


Yes. Ordinary kurdish man has 4 wives and some has over 50 children. Most parents dont even know their names. They are getting social funds and health care for every children they have, ofc it`s getting paid by Turkish taxpayers money.

Kurdish population in Turkey was around 600.000 in 1928 but today, it`s around 12-14 million and they continue to breed like rats.


I am gonna say the same thing to you when/if Albanians in chameria, Macedonians in Aegean side and Turks in western Thrace starts to demand same things and you know what, you Greeks wont even be able to hurt them either because you will find Turkey against you if you dare to touch neither of them.

Don't think like it cannot happen. Who can say that there wont be any anarchy in Greece nowadays?

Ordinary Kurdish man has 4 wives? Huh, that must mean that the female to male ration of Kurds is 4-to-1. But we know that's not the case....the ratio is 1:1. But if the Kurdish men do have 4 wives, then it must mean that the ORDINARY Kurdish man does not get married (that would be 3/4 of the Kurdish men...fair to call that ordinary, wouldn't you say?) Unless they share wives...you didn't mention that. Which one is it Onur?

All this talk of lowering them to the level of rats seems part of a larger discriminatory agenda and attitude. But culturally, they do appear to be more modern than most other Muslim peoples....from wiki:

"In contrast to many neighboring Muslim populations, Kurdish women are not secluded and do not wear the face veil. Kurdish men and women participate in mixed-gender dancing during feasts, weddings and other social celebrations. Major Soane, a British colonial officer during World War I, noted that this is unusual among Islamic people and pointed out that in this respect Kurdish culture is more akin to that of eastern Europe than to the Middle East."

But you know, in today's world, it's the state that rules the land, not the people. So continue.

[Onur]

Ordinary Kurdish man has 4 wives? Huh, that must mean that the female to male ration of Kurds is 4-to-1. But we know that's not the case....the ratio is 1:1. But if the Kurdish men do have 4 wives, then it must mean that the ORDINARY Kurdish man does not get married (that would be 3/4 of the Kurdish men...fair to call that ordinary, wouldn't you say?) Unless they share wives...you didn't mention that. Which one is it Onur?

As you can guess, i am not getting information from wikipedia about kurds. I see them in first hand here.

They import women from Iraqi, Syrian and Iranian Kurds. It`s a tradition among Kurds to get 2-3-4th women from the the outer Kurds. As you can guess, the most richest ones in Turkey, other Kurds in Iran, Syria are just living like animals. The other Kurds in Iran, Iraq enters a competition to sell their 12 year old daughters to Turkish kurds as 2-3-4th wife to them.

Searched google for you and the first result;

Syrian Conflict Raises Walls for Brides Who Cross Border
From the roof of the mud-brick compound where she lives with her husband of two years, his sons and his 22 grandchildren, Sahnaz Ete, 36, strained last week to make out her home town of Amuda in the distance.

“I miss my mother and father and all my relatives over there, and I’m worried about them,” she said, speaking in Kurdish, as she peered from her perch in the Turkish village of Yukariyenikoy across the mined border into Syria, where Amuda was just discernible in a haze about five kilometers, or three miles, away.

Mrs. Ete was one of thousands of Kurdish women from northeastern Syria brought across the border by Kurdish men in Turkey as wives, often second or third wives, in a two-year period when local border crossings were open, visa restrictions were lifted — and bride prices were lower among Kurds on the Syrian side than in Turkey’s Kurdish region.

Exact figures for the number of Syrian women on the Turkish side of the border do not exist: Polygamy, though widely practiced in the Kurdish region on both sides of the border, is illegal in Turkey and many, if not most, of the women lack residence permits.

The number of legally registered first marriages to Syrian women in Nusaybin alone, with a population of 86,000, is 446, according to Ms. Gokkan, the mayor. But that number is far exceeded by unregistered second wives, she said.

In Batman, 100 kilometers to the north, more than 350 legal marriages to Syrian women have been registered since visa restrictions were lifted, according to officials there, and in Kiziltepe, 60 kilometers to the west, around 100 such women were legally married to locals last year alone.

But official figures account for only a tiny minority of imported brides, according to Gul Berki, a sociologist who led a study of Syrian and Iraqi wives last year for the municipality of Silopi, a town located in the triangle of the Turkish borders with Syria and Iraq. Her study found that “90 to 95 percent of them are second wives, neither legally married nor registered,” Ms. Berki said in an interview in Silopi last week.

Based on data from 130 foreign second wives in Silopi and in-depth interviews with 80 of them, Ms. Berki said, 84 percent of these unions were arranged by traditional matchmakers, bride prices were paid for 74 percent, 42 percent of the unions were between relatives, and 95 percent of the women were Kurdish speakers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/15/wo...pagewanted=all

And remind you, these numbers are only for the women who has been imported from Syria. Even more women gets imported from Iraq and Iran. With this way, they can have over 40 children and increase their population.

Polygamy, though widely practiced in the Kurdish region on both sides of the border, is illegal in Turkey[/COLOR][/B] and many, if not most, of the women lack residence permits.

The one who wrote this article probably doesn't know how kurds in Turkey solves this residence permit problem. Let me explain;
These new wives stays married with their husbands without registration but his husband arranges some man or even one of his own son to marry with the women but only on paper. This fake marriage allows these imported women to obtain Turkish passport in the end and VOILA!!!, kurdish population here multiplies even faster than cockroaches in your house.


Now you better dont lecture me about kurds with your wikipedia knowledge, ok? At least do some google search before trying to argue with me. This NY-Times article was first on the search list and published in March 14, 2012

[George S.]

Look at the barabaric way they use women to blow themselves up.Also the terroristic methods used.

[vicsinad]

As you can guess, i am not getting information from wikipedia about kurds. I see them in first hand here.

They import women from Iraqi, Syrian and Iranian Kurds. It`s a tradition among Kurds to get 2-3-4th women from the the outer Kurds. As you can guess, the most richest ones in Turkey, other Kurds in Iran, Syria are just living like animals. The other Kurds in Iran, Iraq enters a competition to sell their 12 year old daughters to Turkish kurds as 2-3-4th wife to them.

Well, Wiki has been proven to be more accurate than other Encyclopedias. But I digress and give you the citation Wiki used (I wouldn't cite something that doesn't have some sort of support).

"W. Juwaideh, The Kurdish national movement: its origins and development, 419 pp., Syracuse University Press, 2006.(see p.41)"

Oh, wait! We have Onur's first-hand accounts of Kurdish culture. Better than any cite that I could find.

So many questions must be brought up: Is it only Kurdish men in Turkey who have multiple wives? What do the Kurdish men in Iraq, Iran, and Syria do with the lack of females? More exactly: how do the Kurdish populations in these areas continue to have millions and millions of Kurds with so many of their women leaving to Turkey? After all, Turkey has the largest number of Kurds living there, which I assume also means the largest number of Kurdish men, which means they would need to take more than 1 female per male from Iraq, Iran and Syria. This would mean the male to female ration of Kurds in these three countries is 2:1 or 3:1. Do these countries have a different culture where each Kurdish woman has three husbands? What do you mean when you say the other Kurds live like animals? Can you describe these competitions? Because it is first hand-accounts, can you describe these 12-year old girls -- names, looks, other attributes? Where do these sales take place?

Thanks so much!