Macedonia: Patriots, Traitors, Enemies and the Ignorant

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  • Frank
    Banned
    • Mar 2010
    • 687

    #31
    How can any of you say there are in fact patriots in Macedonia show me an example of patriotism in Macedonia of recent times

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    • Serdarot
      Member
      • Feb 2010
      • 605

      #32
      Originally posted by Frank View Post
      How can any of you say there are in fact patriots in Macedonia show me an example of patriotism in Macedonia of recent times
      fuck off with such statements

      here some Macedonians, BRAVE ones

      YouTube - Makedonija 2001 - Bitkata za aracinovo Eve ja vistinata

      and some more recent ones

      YouTube - Brodec vaka se ebava siptar na makedonski nacin

      and more recent

      YouTube - Miting za imeto na plostad
      Last edited by Serdarot; 12-16-2010, 10:06 AM.
      Bratot:
      Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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      • Prolet
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 5241

        #33
        Serdare, I believe Boris Trajkovski was the vrhoven komandant at the time, he gave the order to evacuate the terrorists.

        Would Putin continue negotiating the name of his state just because the guy before him set the precedent?
        SOM, Its hard to put in a comparison, Russia hasnt faced a similar problem the best i can think of is the two previous wars they lost against Chechnya only for Putin to come in with his army and crush them the third time and they managed to eliminate Shamil Basayev who was the Chechen Warlord and since then we havnt heard much from Chechnya. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is the first real Russian Leader the ones before him were Russian Jews and Soviets who had other interests. From a poor and starving country he managed to bring to turn his country into feared and respected with much more power then before, he made major changes and managed to use all of Russia's natural resources for the good of the country.

        Now we cant exactly compare Russia to Macedonia in the same way since Macedonia is a much smaller country however we can say that major changes have been made and its fair to say that we are now placed on the world map and people know us now especially those in Europe. You only have to look at who our leaders meet with, no Prime Minister has ever previously visited Australia or Canada, no previous Prime Minister has visited Downing Street in London and been greeted by a British Premier, just yesterday President Gjorgje Ivanov was in Rome and was greeted with the highest honors by Premier Borlusconi in Italy, this was never the case before which is why we are starting to look like a country now at least on a diplomatic level. No other Premier or President of Macedonia has ever shown respect to our diaspora and people outside of Macedonia, thats my opinion, i was asked about it and i dont expect everybody to agree with it.

        Speaking of our name, here is a new group formed that are going on a hunger strike in order to keep our name. Our people are slowly starting to wake up and realize that nobody has the right to change our name not for any reason, hopefully more people can see this in Macedonia.

        МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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        • Serdarot
          Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 605

          #34
          i dont see what Boris the CIA spy has to do with my family, my friends and neighbors...

          in 2001, the volunteers from Bitola and Ohrid-Debar region, were joining the police and the army from the first days of the fightings.

          so no idiot can insult all those brave Macedonians who died, were injured, all those who fought



          edit:

          great initiative, that group...

          i prefer non-violent resistance , i might join them
          Last edited by Serdarot; 12-16-2010, 10:33 AM.
          Bratot:
          Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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          • Prolet
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 5241

            #35
            Serdare, Nobody is disputing this at all, that was a very sad day in our history and it was treason our people were let down heavily i was at that protest it happened right after they put the terrorists on the buses, our people wanted to make road blocks but it was too late. We were sold out, our Special Forces did their job and served our country nobody can dispute this.

            We won every battle yet we capitulated in the end, its not our police forces to blame its the leaders who committed high treason.
            МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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            • TrueMacedonian
              Banned
              • Jan 2009
              • 3823

              #36
              Originally posted by Big Bad Sven View Post
              That’s a very good point True Macedonian.

              We have vlach in Bitola dancing with the grk flag, and it wouldn’t surprise me that they make the majority of the “greeks” in rep of Macedonia.

              If you read John Reeds Salonika Terminus book they interview a elderly vlach idiot from Krusevo who is some sort of leader there and he ignorantly claims that we are “confused Bulgarians” and that the vlach are the true descendants of the ancient Macedonians!

              You can even search random forums on the net with this type of garbage as well.

              And to make things even more confusing, I know of vlach people in struga who get some sort of free entry into Romanian universities if they claim that they are Romanian. I guess it is the same as how young Macedonians sell their souls and pretend to be Bulgarians in order to get a “good education” in third world Bulgaria. Usually these “Bulgarian” degrees get these people high and classy jobs in western countries such as cleaners and taxi drivers….

              What is even more sad is that I also know of Macedonians in Struga (mainly from mislesevo area) that are only like one quarter vlach and say that they are full Romanian in order to get this deal for a Romanian education.

              However I still like the majority of vlach people and have a lot of respect for them, and think that they are probably one of the more loyal minorities in Macedonia. Its just that unfortunately since Macedonia’s independence there has been a lot of foreign forces that have been brainwashing them…..
              Yes I have the book. It seems that some of the Vlachs there think they are the oldest residents of not just Macedonia but all of the Balkans Interesting to note once again that Macedonians generally get along well with Vlachs and Vlachs in Macedonia have prospered in areas like politics and the music industry. However this element, however big or small, are not interested in helping better the country but are instead interested in passing off some bogus history lessons to unwitting tourists.

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              • TrueMacedonian
                Banned
                • Jan 2009
                • 3823

                #37
                Originally posted by Ljubanec View Post
                I can only say if I was a Vlach with a proud Macedonian conscience I would be offended.

                I have been to a cafana in bitola some years back, that did play, of all things Greek music. You had men dancing together, balancing bottles on their heads, throwing napkins and breaking plates. Rather disgusting display I might add. I don't understand it nor do I condone it.

                But keep in mind, when a person makes comments that Vlachs are traitors to some degree. It doesn't serve anyones interests.
                You are right. But we are pointing to the traitorous Vlachs not the patriots.

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                • Frank
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 687

                  #38
                  Macedonians are largely lazy and Ignorant, they understandably don't trust their Government but we have not seen Civil organisation bar a few USAID movements challenge the rot and we are waiting for a Macedonian National Political party at ther very least a minor

                  Why no civil disobedience and vocal Street Battles not once in a while not ever

                  It is painful but true there are no patriots even ignorant ones any more

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                  • PetarMKD
                    Junior Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 30

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Frank View Post
                    Macedonians are largely lazy and Ignorant, they understandably don't trust their Government but we have not seen Civil organisation bar a few USAID movements challenge the rot and we are waiting for a Macedonian National Political party at ther very least a minor

                    Why no civil disobedience and vocal Street Battles not once in a while not ever

                    It is painful but true there are no patriots even ignorant ones any more
                    Even though you are generalizing your first statement is partially true. We have become very lazy thanks to the previous system (klati vrata zimaj plata) always expecting someone else to do the job for us. Also the reason we are not protesting is because we understand the political games perfectly and realize that the negation of our free will comes from higher instances rather than just our neighbors.

                    I do not agree that we are not brave or patriotic, as Serdarot has proven. Every single day for 20 years enemy forces have been trying to destroy our morale and country every way possible and they were and still are in much more favorable position than us and yet here we are... I don't have to remind you to "Pirej" do I? Under a good leadership the Macedonians are unstoppable and history repeats itself so it is just a matter of time.
                    Last edited by PetarMKD; 12-16-2010, 06:07 PM.

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                    • Serdarot
                      Member
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 605

                      #40
                      Originally posted by PetarMKD View Post
                      Under a good leadership the Macedonians are unstoppable and history repeats itself so it is just a matter of time.
                      There is no other Nation, Culture or Ethnicity, that can measure / compete with us in contributing to the World Civilization.

                      I dont want to sound like some kind of maco-supermacist or anything in that direction, nor i want some special credits or threatment for us, the Macedonians, or some of the many Modern Nations that emerged out of the Macedonian Core.

                      Many Nations / Cultures have their contributions and achievements, and they are theirs, i don´t deny that. I simply can not stand if someone is denying our, Macedonian Contribution.

                      The defeatism and the other similiar demagogy, that are spread between the Macedonians, are our biggest enemy.
                      Bratot:
                      Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13675

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Frank View Post
                        How can any of you say there are in fact patriots in Macedonia show me an example of patriotism in Macedonia of recent times
                        Silly generalisation. You must be the type of people that Bratot was referring to.
                        Originally posted by Prolet
                        Now we cant exactly compare Russia to Macedonia in the same way since Macedonia is a much smaller country however we can say that major changes have been made and its fair to say that we are now placed on the world map and people know us now especially those in Europe........No other Premier or President of Macedonia has ever shown respect to our diaspora and people outside of Macedonia, thats my opinion, i was asked about it and i dont expect everybody to agree with it.
                        If you can't compare them, then don't. I am not interested in their travels. What respect have Ivanov/Gruevski shown towards the Macedonians in Bulgaria? What respect are they showing to all Macedonians across the world right now by continuing the absurd negotiations that were started by SDS? I asked you before: Would Putin continue negotiating the name of his state just because the guy before him set the precedent? The answer would be no. Don't compare apples and oranges. In this regard, Gruevski is no Putin, nor is Ivanov.
                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • julie
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2009
                          • 3869

                          #42
                          [QUOTE=Frank;83396]How can any of you say there are in fact patriots in Macedonia show me an example of patriotism in Macedonia of recent times[/QUOTE?↲
                          with generalisations like this no wonder the diaspora are looked down upon
                          "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                          • Frank
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 687

                            #43
                            Read my comment more carefully everyone and answer it

                            Or better yet I really suggest it live in Macedonia for 6 months don't go on a farken Holiday live there and see it

                            I mett Macedonians who took up arms in 2001, today they are so defeated and wasted it is shattering

                            All this Internet Warrior crap really is just that just nothing but wasted time, we deflate get things out then return for more of it.

                            Ever tried to sit down with our brothers they will tell you you cant speak Macedonian very well and you shouldn't tell us how to live and not one asks for advice and experience from a different perceptive.
                            Last edited by Frank; 12-17-2010, 01:55 AM.

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                            • julie
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2009
                              • 3869

                              #44
                              why are you on this forum if as you say internet warrior crap being a waste of time ? Frank how can we empower our people when you are insulting all of them ? Serdarot has given you examples yet you say 1oo % of the population is defeated . if you feel you are wasting your time here then perhaps you should not be here . You also insult us on the forum by calling us wasted internet warriors
                              "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                              • Phoenix
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 4671

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Frank View Post
                                Read my comment more carefully everyone and answer it

                                Or better yet I really suggest it live in Macedonia for 6 months don't go on a farken Holiday live there and see it

                                I mett Macedonians who took up arms in 2001, today they are so defeated and wasted it is shattering

                                All this Internet Warrior crap really is just that just nothing but wasted time, we deflate get things out then return for more of it.

                                Ever tried to sit down with our brothers they will tell you you cant speak Macedonian very well and you shouldn't tell us how to live and not one asks for advice and experience from a different perceptive.
                                Frank, the Macedonians are no different to most other people when they feel that somebody is trying to 'educate' them or tell them how to live their lives...I've heard exactly the same concerns from Australian Croatians when expressing their own experiences regarding this matter...

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