How can any of you say there are in fact patriots in Macedonia show me an example of patriotism in Macedonia of recent times
Macedonia: Patriots, Traitors, Enemies and the Ignorant
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Originally posted by Frank View PostHow can any of you say there are in fact patriots in Macedonia show me an example of patriotism in Macedonia of recent times
here some Macedonians, BRAVE ones
YouTube - Makedonija 2001 - Bitkata za aracinovo Eve ja vistinata
and some more recent ones
YouTube - Brodec vaka se ebava siptar na makedonski nacin
and more recent
YouTube - Miting za imeto na plostadLast edited by Serdarot; 12-16-2010, 10:06 AM.Bratot:
Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.
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Serdare, I believe Boris Trajkovski was the vrhoven komandant at the time, he gave the order to evacuate the terrorists.
Would Putin continue negotiating the name of his state just because the guy before him set the precedent?
Now we cant exactly compare Russia to Macedonia in the same way since Macedonia is a much smaller country however we can say that major changes have been made and its fair to say that we are now placed on the world map and people know us now especially those in Europe. You only have to look at who our leaders meet with, no Prime Minister has ever previously visited Australia or Canada, no previous Prime Minister has visited Downing Street in London and been greeted by a British Premier, just yesterday President Gjorgje Ivanov was in Rome and was greeted with the highest honors by Premier Borlusconi in Italy, this was never the case before which is why we are starting to look like a country now at least on a diplomatic level. No other Premier or President of Macedonia has ever shown respect to our diaspora and people outside of Macedonia, thats my opinion, i was asked about it and i dont expect everybody to agree with it.
Speaking of our name, here is a new group formed that are going on a hunger strike in order to keep our name. Our people are slowly starting to wake up and realize that nobody has the right to change our name not for any reason, hopefully more people can see this in Macedonia.
МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.
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i dont see what Boris the CIA spy has to do with my family, my friends and neighbors...
in 2001, the volunteers from Bitola and Ohrid-Debar region, were joining the police and the army from the first days of the fightings.
so no idiot can insult all those brave Macedonians who died, were injured, all those who fought
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great initiative, that group...
i prefer non-violent resistance , i might join themLast edited by Serdarot; 12-16-2010, 10:33 AM.Bratot:
Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.
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Serdare, Nobody is disputing this at all, that was a very sad day in our history and it was treason our people were let down heavily i was at that protest it happened right after they put the terrorists on the buses, our people wanted to make road blocks but it was too late. We were sold out, our Special Forces did their job and served our country nobody can dispute this.
We won every battle yet we capitulated in the end, its not our police forces to blame its the leaders who committed high treason.МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.
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Originally posted by Big Bad Sven View PostThat’s a very good point True Macedonian.
We have vlach in Bitola dancing with the grk flag, and it wouldn’t surprise me that they make the majority of the “greeks” in rep of Macedonia.
If you read John Reeds Salonika Terminus book they interview a elderly vlach idiot from Krusevo who is some sort of leader there and he ignorantly claims that we are “confused Bulgarians” and that the vlach are the true descendants of the ancient Macedonians!
You can even search random forums on the net with this type of garbage as well.
And to make things even more confusing, I know of vlach people in struga who get some sort of free entry into Romanian universities if they claim that they are Romanian. I guess it is the same as how young Macedonians sell their souls and pretend to be Bulgarians in order to get a “good education” in third world Bulgaria. Usually these “Bulgarian” degrees get these people high and classy jobs in western countries such as cleaners and taxi drivers….
What is even more sad is that I also know of Macedonians in Struga (mainly from mislesevo area) that are only like one quarter vlach and say that they are full Romanian in order to get this deal for a Romanian education.
However I still like the majority of vlach people and have a lot of respect for them, and think that they are probably one of the more loyal minorities in Macedonia. Its just that unfortunately since Macedonia’s independence there has been a lot of foreign forces that have been brainwashing them…..Interesting to note once again that Macedonians generally get along well with Vlachs and Vlachs in Macedonia have prospered in areas like politics and the music industry. However this element, however big or small, are not interested in helping better the country but are instead interested in passing off some bogus history lessons to unwitting tourists.
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Originally posted by Ljubanec View PostI can only say if I was a Vlach with a proud Macedonian conscience I would be offended.
I have been to a cafana in bitola some years back, that did play, of all things Greek music. You had men dancing together, balancing bottles on their heads, throwing napkins and breaking plates. Rather disgusting display I might add. I don't understand it nor do I condone it.
But keep in mind, when a person makes comments that Vlachs are traitors to some degree. It doesn't serve anyones interests.
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Macedonians are largely lazy and Ignorant, they understandably don't trust their Government but we have not seen Civil organisation bar a few USAID movements challenge the rot and we are waiting for a Macedonian National Political party at ther very least a minor
Why no civil disobedience and vocal Street Battles not once in a while not ever
It is painful but true there are no patriots even ignorant ones any more
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Originally posted by Frank View PostMacedonians are largely lazy and Ignorant, they understandably don't trust their Government but we have not seen Civil organisation bar a few USAID movements challenge the rot and we are waiting for a Macedonian National Political party at ther very least a minor
Why no civil disobedience and vocal Street Battles not once in a while not ever
It is painful but true there are no patriots even ignorant ones any more
I do not agree that we are not brave or patriotic, as Serdarot has proven. Every single day for 20 years enemy forces have been trying to destroy our morale and country every way possible and they were and still are in much more favorable position than us and yet here we are... I don't have to remind you to "Pirej" do I?Under a good leadership the Macedonians are unstoppable and history repeats itself so it is just a matter of time.
Last edited by PetarMKD; 12-16-2010, 06:07 PM.
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Originally posted by PetarMKD View PostUnder a good leadership the Macedonians are unstoppable and history repeats itself so it is just a matter of time.
I dont want to sound like some kind of maco-supermacist or anything in that direction, nor i want some special credits or threatment for us, the Macedonians, or some of the many Modern Nations that emerged out of the Macedonian Core.
Many Nations / Cultures have their contributions and achievements, and they are theirs, i don´t deny that. I simply can not stand if someone is denying our, Macedonian Contribution.
The defeatism and the other similiar demagogy, that are spread between the Macedonians, are our biggest enemy.Bratot:
Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.
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Originally posted by Frank View PostHow can any of you say there are in fact patriots in Macedonia show me an example of patriotism in Macedonia of recent times
Originally posted by ProletNow we cant exactly compare Russia to Macedonia in the same way since Macedonia is a much smaller country however we can say that major changes have been made and its fair to say that we are now placed on the world map and people know us now especially those in Europe........No other Premier or President of Macedonia has ever shown respect to our diaspora and people outside of Macedonia, thats my opinion, i was asked about it and i dont expect everybody to agree with it.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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[QUOTE=Frank;83396]How can any of you say there are in fact patriots in Macedonia show me an example of patriotism in Macedonia of recent times[/QUOTE?↲
with generalisations like this no wonder the diaspora are looked down upon"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev
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Read my comment more carefully everyone and answer it
Or better yet I really suggest it live in Macedonia for 6 months don't go on a farken Holiday live there and see it
I mett Macedonians who took up arms in 2001, today they are so defeated and wasted it is shattering
All this Internet Warrior crap really is just that just nothing but wasted time, we deflate get things out then return for more of it.
Ever tried to sit down with our brothers they will tell you you cant speak Macedonian very well and you shouldn't tell us how to live and not one asks for advice and experience from a different perceptive.Last edited by Frank; 12-17-2010, 01:55 AM.
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why are you on this forum if as you say internet warrior crap being a waste of time ? Frank how can we empower our people when you are insulting all of them ? Serdarot has given you examples yet you say 1oo % of the population is defeated . if you feel you are wasting your time here then perhaps you should not be here . You also insult us on the forum by calling us wasted internet warriors"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev
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Originally posted by Frank View PostRead my comment more carefully everyone and answer it
Or better yet I really suggest it live in Macedonia for 6 months don't go on a farken Holiday live there and see it
I mett Macedonians who took up arms in 2001, today they are so defeated and wasted it is shattering
All this Internet Warrior crap really is just that just nothing but wasted time, we deflate get things out then return for more of it.
Ever tried to sit down with our brothers they will tell you you cant speak Macedonian very well and you shouldn't tell us how to live and not one asks for advice and experience from a different perceptive.
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