Albanianization in Macedonia

[Risto the Great]

Did someone say war?

[lavce pelagonski]

Во Тетово повторно пароли за Голема Албанија: ФФМ и МВР не реагираат!
23 апр 2012 11:08

И покрај тоа што во јавноста излегуваат со ставови дека не се националисти и дека единствена политичка партија за нив е ФК Шкендија, навивачите на се уште актуелниот првак на Македонија на вчерашниот меч со Работнички (1-0) истакнаа транспарент во кој се наведени делови на „Голема Албанија“.



„Косово, Илирида, Чемерија – сите се овие делови на голема Албанија“ истакнаа популарните „балисти“ на дуелот со романтичарите, но никој на средбата во Тетово, ниту претставниците на ФФМ (судијата Горан Спиркоски и делегатот Сашо Велковски), ниту припадниците на МВР не реагираа на ова. Според законот за спречување насилство на спортските терени, секој поединец што ќе истакне парола со политичка содржина треба да плати минимум 500 евра. Според правилникот на ФФМ, пак, секоја екипа чии навивачи „истакнуваат пароли што носат дискриминаторски слогани или се виновни за кој било друг вид дискриминаторство, однесување со презир во текот на натпреварот“ треба да платат казна од 30.000 швајцарски франци, а клубот својот следен официјален натпревар ќе го игра без гледачи. Казните за ваков вид прекршоци се толку високи поради тоа што ФФМ мора да ги следи регулативите на ФИФА и УЕФА за ваков вид прекршоци, па иако од куќата на фудбалот имаше најави дека глобите ќе бидат намалени, во дисциплинскиот правилник сè уште стои оваа сума.

Ова не е првпат во Тетово да се прогледува низ прсти за секое прекршување на Законот за спречување насилство на спортските терени. Додека на другите арени секој навивач се казнува поради користење пиротехнички средства, во Тетово факли се палат пред очите на полицијата и никој не одговара за тоа.

http://www.mkd.mk/27432/sport/vo-tetovo-povtorno-paroli-za-golema-albanija-ffm-i-mvr-ne-reagiraat/

[George S.]

we don't want our country bad enough to want a war.The albanians want a war & they want the whole country.

[Soldier of Macedon]

We should want our country more than any other and we should be prepared to defend it, but we shouldn't want war.

[ProMKD]

They were before, and they still are very good at fighting a psychological war. If the citizens of Macedonia fall for it (just like last time) they will start packing their bags and moving away, thus leaving their apartments, houses, and villages abandoned and open for domination. This happened last time, and it will happen again until the Macedonians become conscious of the outcome. The Macedonians ran away from Tetovo and Aracinovo like there was a pending nuclear war, and never came back. They went to Detroit, Sydney, Toronto, and never plan on coming back. The shiptars? They saved some money in Zurich, Milano, and came back and either bought our houses for dirt cheap, or just took them over and got them `legalized`because the only people left in the local governing system were shiptars.

Although anything is possible, I think they would prefer (and are trying) to have a psy-war.

[ProMKD]

A dumb-ass article I just read in Utrinski by some shiptar 'economist' who says that Tetovo citizens pay far more tax than other cities populated mostly by Macedonians, therefore Tetovo should receive most of the federal budget.

http://www.utrinski.com.mk/?ItemID=BDE629F838CBD543995CEB25CB18916B

Во Битола е наплатен ДДВ во износ од 33,8, а во Тетово - 73,7 милиони евра или за 118 отсто повеќе

Така, на пример, во Тетово се плаќа повеќе данок, отколку во Битола. Иако, Тетово има малку повеќе население од Битола, а цифрата на даночни обврзници е помала. Според податоците од регионалните дирекции на Управата за јавни приходи, во фискалната 2010 година во Битола е наплатен данок на додадена вредност во износ од 2, 1 милијарда денари или 33,8 милиони евра, додека во Тетово се собрани приходи од ДДВ во вкупен износ од 4,5 милијарди денари или 73,7 милиони евра. Битола брои население од 365.201 лица, а во Тетово живеат 398.606 лица.

I left most of the long article out, but as I summarized above, they just expand on that idea.

What I hate about Macedonian retard-media, is that the idiot who wrote this in Utrinski (Maja Tomic) thinks that Tetovo has 400,000 citizens, and Bitola 365,000. RETARDED.

Tetovo city is 60,000 - let's just say 80,000 with all the villages, and even that's pushing it.

Bitola is 85,000 - let's say 100,000 with the region.

How the hell do you come up with 400,000 and 365,000 ?!?!?!?

[George S.]

If they can fake the census they can fake anything.I noticed that on the albanian agenda has been to ask for their own budget & demanding they get this or that they want the budget directly that's attributable to them.Their population is supposedly like ten times of what it actually is.Which is all lies.This is the worst thing that could hapen is the govt giving in to them.
If they are not vigilant enough they are going to take them to the cleaners.

[Belomorec]

What's the point of a war? Even if we win, like last time, the Pax Americana will dictate that we seek peace with these pieces of shit and give them more rights than any minority anywhere in the world.

[Belomorec]

There is one solution: Bomb the fuck out of Tetovo and send the survivors back to Kosovo or Albania or ANYWHERE besides Macedonia.

Reading this shit you can clearly see they are allowed to do anything they want and their 'backers' keep allowing them to while keeping us down.

[George S.]

welcome Belomorec anything is better than the current scenario of just pandering & giving in to them.I rather have a real macedonian tatkovina than having to share it with the shiptars.

[Soldier of Macedon]

There is one solution: Bomb the fuck out of Tetovo and send the survivors back to Kosovo or Albania or ANYWHERE besides Macedonia.

And everything goes back to normal the next day? Come on Belomorec, be realistic and think about the consequences and how Macedonia will meet the response of such an act. There are other ways to reassert the Macedonian character of the Macedonian state. Bombing a town and murdering its civilians is not the answer.

[Belomorec]

Are there? Name one that has worked so far.

Let me ask you this: Do you think Albanians will ever stop their agenda, insane as it may be, of a "Greater Albania"? Do you think any action will ever make them integrate within Macedonian society in a way where they see improving the future of the country as their main goal rather than their own selfish agenda? Do you think they will ever see Macedonia for what it is: The homeland of the Macedonian people, therefore a sovereign nation that should not be interfered with? Do you think they will ever respect Macedonia and the Macedonians?

You know the answers to those questions.

If an eye-for-an-eye mentality is good enough for America and Israel, why isn't it for Macedonia?

[Voltron]

If an eye-for-an-eye mentality is good enough for America and Israel, why isn't it for Macedonia?

It wont work because you have already signed official documents granting those rights. Trying to go back on them will only make the International Community critisice you for oppressing the "minority" and will cause a loss of support and even a boomerang effect. Much like what happened to Milosovich. On the other hand causing a war maybe the only viable option to start from a clean slate but there are also risks in that if global players get involved again which im sure they will.
Alternative way would be to breed like rabbits and de facto change conditions on the ground, but how many families are willing to do that ? Can the governement hand out benefits to Macedonian families to having more children without the Albanians getting treated the same way ?

Or...

You can just join us, we may be broke for now but we have one hell of a sealine. I can guarantee you wont see a mosque being built ever again.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Are there?

Yes, there are. A start would be a revision of the constitution and the replacement of the FA with an arrangement based on the civic model, ie: prevalance of Macedonian culture and language in all public spheres, true democratic rights for all citizens where it concerns personal life and prosperity, best man/woman for the position, equal respect for all minorities, etc, instead of automatic benefits just because one belongs to an overprivileged minority. Then enforce this with an increased security presence in places where there is potential for disturbance. No need to bomb one of our own cities, even if it does have a significant ethnic Albanian population.

Name one that has worked so far.

Name one Macedonian government that has wanted it to work so far.

Do you think Albanians will ever stop their agenda, insane as it may be, of a "Greater Albania"?

For many of them, probably not, at least not in the near future.

Do you think any action will ever make them integrate within Macedonian society in a way where they see improving the future of the country as their main goal rather than their own selfish agenda?

I admit that many (if not most) probably don't want to, but if they could live without their unreasonable privileges before then they can do it again. If they don't like living in a Macedonian Macedonia then it is their choice to stay or leave. If they attack the state then they should be confronted by Macedonian security forces.

Do you think they will ever see Macedonia for what it is: The homeland of the Macedonian people, therefore a sovereign nation that should not be interfered with? Do you think they will ever respect Macedonia and the Macedonians?

That is up to the Macedonians and the governments they vote for. It is only natural for ethnic groups to favour their own, but it's the responsibility of the state to ensure that laws are adhered to and that the indigenous culture and language remain prevalent. All Macedonian governments have done a poor job on both counts since gaining independence from Yugoslavia.

If an eye-for-an-eye mentality is good enough for America and Israel, why isn't it for Macedonia?

Macedonia has neither the power or backing that America and Israel have. Doing what you have suggested would give our enemies the excuse to finalise the destruction of the Macedonian state, a task started much earlier by successive Macedonian governments. You're idea is based on emotion, not logic. Think about it. This isn't the Middle Ages where you can sack a city and walk away without any consequences. Tell me, what do you think the consequences will be of such an act?

Can the governement hand out benefits to Macedonian families to having more children without the Albanians getting treated the same way ?

I believe there was such an initiative in the past but not sure what happened with it.

You can just join us, we may be broke for now but we have one hell of a sealine.

Lol. There is only one sealine we're interested in

I can guarantee you wont see a mosque being built ever again.

Don't be so sure.

[Vangelovski]

Are there? Name one that has worked so far.

Let me ask you this: Do you think Albanians will ever stop their agenda, insane as it may be, of a "Greater Albania"? Do you think any action will ever make them integrate within Macedonian society in a way where they see improving the future of the country as their main goal rather than their own selfish agenda? Do you think they will ever see Macedonia for what it is: The homeland of the Macedonian people, therefore a sovereign nation that should not be interfered with? Do you think they will ever respect Macedonia and the Macedonians?

Probably not. Can you name one serious attempt to integrate Albanians into Macedonian society since independence? I can't think of any - all I've seen is a successful program to segregate them while at the same time providing them with greater control over state institutions. Only in Macedonia can one find such a contradiction!

There are a few more options left, one is alluded to in the MTO's definition of the cause and has been discussed in some detail.

If an eye-for-an-eye mentality is good enough for America and Israel, why isn't it for Macedonia?

That is not the intent of the phrase, though it is used to convey that by many who don't understand the original. Regardless, why should we become murderous criminals? For what purpose? Even if it were to come to war, Macedonians do not need to undertake heinous crimes.