Greeks Terrorize Macedonian Tourists in Halkidiki

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  • fyrOM
    Banned
    • Feb 2010
    • 2180

    Rereading my post I realised one thing missing.

    Respect is a two way thing. Does Vardarec think we should respect people who do not respect us and does he think this action encourages them to respect us or have the opposite effect.

    Before we can work on rebuilding a relationship animosities need to stop. I would suggest in the meantime the government cannot be seen as aggressively against Greece to avoid escalation of a situation on a world i.e. government to government level which could draw action from others but the government cannot be held to blame for their citizens taking their right to choose to shop or holiday in one store instead of another. I find it strange seeing all the whinging about the Greeks and at the same time making an active conscious decision to support them. All I have been saying is it is very easy to just walk past their door and go next door to do your purchases even if the Greek store has better prices. I’m not saying throw bricks through the windows or spray paint the walls or anything worse.

    Some might say do you do this. Yes I do to the extent I can know the store is Greek owned. There are many alternative stores available even if it costs me a few dollars more and in most cases it doesn’t. I don’t have to buy from them while they look down at me and I do mean this in a personal level if the guy hears me speaking Macedonian to someone with me. I do not believe I should have to hide my ethnicity to be able to get reasonable services or where they feel they cannot not serve me I should not have to endure their cold stars. If you don’t respect me then I don’t have to buy from you.

    The obvious problem with this course of action is there may be Greek store owners who would not be against me and how can I know before hand. The simple answer is I am not a mind reader so I don’t know one way or the other but my past negative experiences tells me there is a possibility of it and simply there are something’s in life I don’t need to find out. I do not feel an obligation to give them the benefit of the doubt just to see if I will have a negative experience again. I think it is a mugs game to keep showing respect when most times it is no reciprocated out of some moral stance so that I can say I do not discriminate in any way. And yes you did read right I did use the word most because I know from experience not all Greeks hate me. Work on respecting me and we can see about working on a relationship. Until such time I don’t need to endure negative experience and nor do I need to buy from you. There are lots of other stores to buy from and this is the point I put to those from RoM its not like you absolutely have no other choice and we have already covered the lack of evidence they are significantly cheaper and its irrelevance if they are and seriously question your belief system if you would no travel slightly further not to have to hold your cap in hand or even if they do not outwardly show their feelings knowing your money is going to a government trying to permanently negate you identity.

    I see no evidence to share your optimistic view as if the name issue is already won. If you know some share.

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    • thessalo-niki
      Banned
      • Jun 2010
      • 191

      Germanos

      Originally posted by OziMak View Post
      Germanos S.A……………….by the way the person Germanos was one of the originators of the Greek revolution against the ottomans.
      Founded in 1980

      As of December 31, 2006, it operated 645 stores in Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia………by the way Germanos the company is a leader in the economic fight against those scumbag Slavs
      Germanos SA announced earnings year ended December 31, 2009 revenues of €256.9 million

      A million euros here or there it really doesn’t matter right. that’s what they say in RoM.
      See my post page two
      The Greek team was booed off and they walked out beause their delegate wanted our names to be seen as fyrom, once our delegate said this will never happen in our own country the Greek volleyball team walked off the court. This is the balkan volleyball tournament for juniors. It never amazes me how they bring politics into


      Germanos the man and Germanos the company two patriotic Greeks leading the fight for Greece.
      Just how do you get these ideas? Germanos chain stores took their name from their founder, the once communist (!) businessman Panos Germanos. Yet, they don't belong to him anymore. They were bought (in a controversial, probably scandalous way) by Cosmote/OTE the public (and now mostly privatised) telecommunication company of Greece.
      I think there are only ~25 Germanos stores in Republic of Macedonia right now.
      ________________________________
      Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul

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      • fyrOM
        Banned
        • Feb 2010
        • 2180

        Thessaly niki I don’t know that there is a connection between the man Germanos the man that I am referring to who lived in the 1820s and the company of the same name founded in 1980 but it doesn’t detract from the thrust of my point the man is referred to as a Greek patriot saving Greece from the ottomans and the Slavic hordes while the company although having offices in Greece has largely extended itself in RoM Bulgaria Serbia and Romania likewise holding the torch for Greece albeit economic this time in what is commonly referred to by many as Slavic lands.

        In my original draft I did ask if anyone knew if the founders of the company had any connection by generations to the man as I did not think Germanos was all that common a surname or did the founders just borrow the name as he is a famous character although did not include it in my post for brevity as it did not change the thrust of the point.

        I can understand your point that maybe this point should have been clarified. Do you know if the family who founded the company are decedents of the man I was referring to.

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        • Serdarot
          Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 605

          i am in Ohrid now.

          good rooms with "freezer" , bathroom for each room separately (or at worst 2 2-bad rooms share 1 bathroom) cost 300 - 350 - 400 denari bad/night.

          in most places there is also a kitchen for those who prefer (or have to) cook by themself.

          also in some of the places you have TV in your room (in the very same room that cost 300 - 400 denari bad/night)

          the first "random" taxi we got, turned on the taximeter, normal price, all legal, we got receive...

          second "taxi" (a combi) - we got tickets, normal price again, 30 denari Ohrid - Metropol (some are charging 40, but its not big difference, and its normal price...)

          beer (skopsko) - 100 denari (in Hotel Tino, near the lake, one of the best places in the City)

          sure there are people who rent very bad rooms for the same (or bigger) price, and sure that there are taxi-drivers who overcharge, but it is much better than the years before.

          i got overcharged when i bought a cigare... very big reason not to come here again?

          lol...

          about Germanos Karavangelis:

          there not enough strong bad words to express my feelings about that un-human...

          and i can not understand how can someone concider him (or Pavlos Melas) as a national hero...
          Bratot:
          Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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          • Prolet
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 5241

            Serdare, How much are they charging for Kebapi?
            МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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            • Soldier of Macedon
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 13675

              Prolet, doesn't Informator know already? Or are we back to selling $2 posters at Macedonian functions?
              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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              • fyrOM
                Banned
                • Feb 2010
                • 2180

                Good post Serdarot. I don’t know the exchange rate you are getting there but I looked up on the net



                And even at mkd40 to aud1 the 300 denari room is aud7.50 per night and the mkd400 is aud10.00 and ofcourse cheaper in Euro.

                At



                Rounding down to eur1 is mkd60 so the mkd300 is eur5.00 and mkd400 is eur6.67.

                Somehow it doesn’t seem too expensive for people who can afford expensive 4 wheel drives like the one damage in the picture in the 1st post.

                Ahh but can you imagine what they will say in Skopje or wherever if you say you only went to Ohrid…cant you afford to go to Greece. This is exactly what I overheard people saying to each other on several occasions last time I was there.

                Serdarot you are making me want to go there.

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                • fyrOM
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 2180

                  Just out of curiosity does anyone know how much it would cost in diesel from Skopje to Halkidiki. I wonder how many days accommodation it buys you.

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                  • thessalo-niki
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 191

                    Originally posted by OziMak View Post
                    Thessaly niki I don’t know that there is a connection between the man Germanos the man that I am referring to who lived in the 1820s and the company of the same name founded in 1980 but it doesn’t detract from the thrust of my point the man is referred to as a Greek patriot saving Greece from the ottomans and the Slavic hordes while the company although having offices in Greece has largely extended itself in RoM Bulgaria Serbia and Romania likewise holding the torch for Greece albeit economic this time in what is commonly referred to by many as Slavic lands.

                    In my original draft I did ask if anyone knew if the founders of the company had any connection by generations to the man as I did not think Germanos was all that common a surname or did the founders just borrow the name as he is a famous character although did not include it in my post for brevity as it did not change the thrust of the point.

                    I can understand your point that maybe this point should have been clarified. Do you know if the family who founded the company are decedents of the man I was referring to.
                    Where the hell did you find this phrase?
                    the man is referred to as a Greek patriot saving Greece from the ottomans and the Slavic hordes while the company although having offices in Greece has largely extended itself in RoM Bulgaria Serbia and Romania likewise holding the torch for Greece albeit economic this time in what is commonly referred to by many as Slavic lands
                    The first part is probably a confusion of two figures


                    Both were Metropolitan bishops, so... they had no descendants. Their name Germanos is a clerical name (not their original name). It is a popular clerical name, originating from Saint Germanos

                    Germanos, as a surname, is not the most common, yet not rare either. The most famous were Freddy Germanos (popular author and journalist) and his daughter Natalia Germanou (popular lyricist). In their case, they had this name because Freddy's grandfather had studied in Germany.
                    Panos Germanos (of Germanos stores) had been rather low profile and most Greeks (while knowing the brand) are not aware of his existence and haven't seen a picture of him. Greek economic expansion and investment in ex-sosialist countries is indeed a reality and I thought it was welcome. It’s not innocent politically, there are confronting views about it in Greece too, but, to start with, these people are hunting profit wherever it is.
                    ________________________________
                    Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul

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                    • Prolet
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 5241

                      Originally posted by OziMak View Post
                      Just out of curiosity does anyone know how much it would cost in diesel from Skopje to Halkidiki. I wonder how many days accommodation it buys you.
                      OziMak, Here is what i could find

                      Новата цена на ЕУРОСУПЕР БС-95 изнесува 68 денари за литар, а ЕУРОСУПЕР БС-98 се продава - 69,50 денари за литар. ЕУРОДИЗЕЛ (Д-Е В) чини 57,50 денари, а екстралесното масло за домаќинство (ЕЛ-1) - 46,50 денари за литар.

                      Diesel is less then 1 euro per liter
                      МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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                      • Bratot
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 2855

                        Originally posted by Serdarot View Post
                        i am in Ohrid now.

                        good rooms with "freezer" , bathroom for each room separately (or at worst 2 2-bad rooms share 1 bathroom) cost 300 - 350 - 400 denari bad/night.

                        in most places there is also a kitchen for those who prefer (or have to) cook by themself.

                        also in some of the places you have TV in your room (in the very same room that cost 300 - 400 denari bad/night)

                        the first "random" taxi we got, turned on the taximeter, normal price, all legal, we got receive...

                        second "taxi" (a combi) - we got tickets, normal price again, 30 denari Ohrid - Metropol (some are charging 40, but its not big difference, and its normal price...)

                        beer (skopsko) - 100 denari (in Hotel Tino, near the lake, one of the best places in the City)

                        sure there are people who rent very bad rooms for the same (or bigger) price, and sure that there are taxi-drivers who overcharge, but it is much better than the years before.

                        i got overcharged when i bought a cigare... very big reason not to come here again?

                        lol...

                        about Germanos Karavangelis:

                        there not enough strong bad words to express my feelings about that un-human...

                        and i can not understand how can someone concider him (or Pavlos Melas) as a national hero...
                        Serdare,

                        are those prices for a room or for a person - bed?


                        Depends also on the location, near the beach, in the city etc.
                        However, that's the private accomodation offered by private persons and the prices vary on the ammount of the tourists, this season is said to be worse.


                        If you look at the Hotels:

                        Hotel Granit:

                        Стандардни соби :
                        BB-1/2 - 49 EUR - по особа HB-1/2 - 59 EUR - по особа
                        BB-1/1 - 59 EUR HB-1/1 - 69 EUR
                        Апартмани:
                        BB-1/2 - 59 EUR – по особа HB-1/2 - 69 EUR – по особа
                        BB-1/1 - 69 EUR HB-1/1 - 79 EUR

                        Rezident: 260 eur. на ден – услуга BB (за сите особи)




                        Here are the prices for various accomodation, Hotels in Ohrid:




                        More less there is no cheaper than 30 EURO for a PERSON.

                        So, for 10 days in Ohrid one person would have to pay minimum 300 Euros, and this should be enough about the touristic (dis)advatages of Ohrid.
                        I think there is no need to calculate how much it would cost for a familly vacation.

                        And we are talking about LAKE for God's sake.

                        This is what counts really and that's why some famillies would chose Hotel accomodation on Agean sea for the price of a private accomodation in someone's house in Ohrid.
                        The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                        • fyrOM
                          Banned
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 2180

                          ThessaloNiki I did say the person I was referring to which was the person of 1820s who could not be the founder of the company in 1980. I did understand your point that it is not the same person. Ofcourse the company is going to chase profits where they can. In the theme of my posts I am saying it is their customers in these countries who are stupid. What I did not know is if there is any connection family wise to the 1820s person because of the common name but to the point I was making ie both are being patriots it is really not that relevant although it would add an extra level of information but like I said not that relevant.

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                          • Phoenix
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 4671

                            Originally posted by Bratot View Post
                            More less there is no cheaper than 30 EURO for a PERSON.

                            So, for 10 days in Ohrid one person would have to pay minimum 300 Euros, and this should be enough about the touristic (dis)advatages of Ohrid.
                            I think there is no need to calculate how much it would cost for a familly vacation.

                            And we are talking about LAKE for God's sake.

                            This is what counts really and that's why some famillies would chose Hotel accomodation on Agean sea for the price of a private accomodation in someone's house in Ohrid.
                            You should stay in an average hotel in New York...

                            And we are talking about a CONCRETE JUNGLE for God's sake...

                            Give me the LAKE anytime...

                            I really don't know what you guys expect to pay or what you consider fair...

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                            • Bratot
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 2855

                              Originally posted by Bratot View Post


                              The strategy our governments miss is the sector of strategical industries to be protected from political take over by Greek companies and economic occupation of our national market.

                              The examples can be found in Okta, Skopska Pivara, Stopanska Banka, Zhito Luks, Cementara, the biggest production capacity of weapon in the region- Suvenir of Samokov and all other huge players. All of them are strategical investitions covering the Macedonian super brands.
                              Not mentioning how Greeks are re-selling Prilepski mermer(marble) in rest of the world like Canada, Saudi Arabia as "Greek" marble.

                              We are simply talented for our selfdestruction, doing exactly what we shouldn't.
                              Националната банка на Грција докупи уште 20 отсто од акциите на Стопанска Банка

                              Инaку според вредноста на капиталот и мрежата на филијали Стопанска банка АД Скопје е најголема банка во земјава. Беше преземена од најголемата банкарска групација во Југоисточна Европа, Националната Банка на Грција на почетокот на 2000 година.



                              Google translate:

                              The National Bank of Greece bought another 20 % of the shares in Comercijalna Banka.

                              According to the value of capital and network of branches Comercijalna Banka AD Skopje is the largest bank in the country.
                              It was taken from the largest banking group in Southeast Europe, National Bank of Greece in early 2000.

                              Amazing isn't
                              The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                              • Bratot
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 2855

                                Originally posted by Phoenix View Post

                                And we are talking about a CONCRETE JUNGLE for God's sake...
                                Give me the LAKE anytime...

                                I really don't know what you guys expect to pay or what you consider fair...
                                Have you been already on vacation this year Phoenix and if it's not secret where?

                                We are refering to the people living and working in the Republic in accordance to their sallary and a vacation to fit their budget.

                                If you have the option to chose between a lake or a sea watter for the same ammount of money and distance than I rather suspect you would chose the 'Lake' for yet another year in line in the past few years.

                                Ohrid is crowded as well and has limited capacity and there is something generally adopted that staying 'home' on vacation isn't really a vacation to have.

                                Another point of relevance is the ignorant attitude (pretty much famous) and the hostility traits of the local Ohridjani toward the inland tourists, as previously mentioned 'local rivalry'.
                                The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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