Greeks Terrorize Macedonian Tourists in Halkidiki

[Prolet]

Jankovska, Thats what Patlidzan Turizam is all about.

In Monte Negro they made up a rule that you cant enter the country with more then a few kilos of meat,1 liter of alcohol and a few bags of fruit and veggies. I think they changed it a bit now but still you cant go there with a prikolka full of food.

The majority of the time when they go on holiday they cook they dont go and eat in restaurants every day.

[fyrOM]

The more they sink and are exposed for what they are the more they will argue. Ever watched two Greeks argue between themselves. There is a high chance they will escalate the strikes and eventually into possible violence.

Boo hoo I feel for them lets organise aid.

OziMak, So do you want to talk about food drops now? We are not a rich country but come on we are not utepani either.

Prolet are you seriously saying you cannot read sarcasm into this. And besides its referring to the Greeks incase you missed that too.

You have mixed so many things in your post that it sounds like you are trying to say something positive but without setting out any logical argument but instead relying on half truths.

in the Greek Embassy before they used to throw our passports onto the ground now its not as bad anymore

Are you saying you would tolerate this just for a holiday. Nahh Re. I thought I would say something in Greek so you can understand me.

its no different then me telling you to stop going to Strumica or Gevgelija who has the right to tell our people where we shouldnt be going?

Its NOTHING like it. A frivolous holiday which I could have had anywhere but chose to spend it on people who negate my existence. Note my earlier posts most people are not going to see family or friends but to brag they did something they saw in a movie or TV and the perception western media puts on seeing Greece ie its so cool and by inference if you go there you are doing what the cool people do and somehow something better than anyone else. never mind the money goes to those who negate your very existence but at least you will be cool as you disappear.

At no time have I said people cannot go their to see family or friends or take care of some property matters.

If we turn our backs on our own people in Egejska then they will have no choice but to integrate with the Greeks there and thats exactly what Neo Fascists like Golden Dawn want

If we continue to feed the Greek economy things will stay the same. Yet you and others say you want a change. What im say is change does not come with a guarantee of absolutely no cost and this is the real reason for you bitching.

To say NO is one thing but not always enough. Sometimes there needs to be a if not this then what.
See my post in this thread

Macedonian Truth Forum > Macedonian Truth Forum > General Discussions
Strategy for Macedonians in GR. Boycott Voting!

To keep doing the same thing will only bring more of the same. Change will bring discomfort and the Macedonians in egej need to think of how to manage the discomfort not how to avoid it by doing nothing and hoping RoM or the diaspora or someone else will make the Greeks go away or give them minority rights without costing them absolutely anything. If this is their thinking then they are being pathetic. Nobody wants to be a hero if it means it will cost them anything. Saying its worked fine to now without rights we will just wait another 65 years or 87 years or however longer it takes so long as it doesn’t cost us is not an option. This name issue cannot go on for ever and things are starting to precipitate. The struggle in egej is equally important as anything RoM has faced and will come to face. It needs to be an effort on all fronts. Realising their patch has some difficulties is not a choice to abandon the struggle.. This one paragraph is the whole of the point and you try to avoid it with half truths or irrelevant points.

You sort of give your answer by saying

Remember that Greece will always be our neighbor like them or hate them thats not our problem but i would rather see our people live a normal life, have basic human rights, be able to speak our language,learn in schools,be able to travel to Stari Kraj when they want, live free then to see Greece fold as a country

But in reality you betray yourself and cover it with a lot of nice words of what you want and surely everyone would want ie a normal life…human rights ect but as long as it absolutely doesn’t cost you or egej Macedonians anything. And there in a nutshell is your position. You want but if it costs you’d rather stay the same and that stems from someone else will battle it for us. Why should it cost us anything.

At least your position is clear now.

[Prolet]

Oh come on OziMak, Greece is split into two parts the South and the North. Ask anybody there why the regions hate each other, the Southern Part is alot richer there are places in Egejska Makedonija where they still shit in Septicki Jami for god sake.

When you hear Greek tourism its always the Islands like Mykanos,Santorini,Lesbos,Crete who are the most attractive to foreign tourists you dont hear many people from Australia,America going to Tasos,Kavala or the Kracite do you? Mainly Macedonians go there and probably Serbs and Bulgarians aswell.

[fyrOM]

I wonder how many euro are going to Greece. Next time you see greek propaganda negating your existence don’t get angry just think of your last holiday and how wonderfull it was. If your car was damaged just think next time you go there you might be able to go as a Northern Macedonia and this time they will be nicer to you.

http://www.vest.com.mk/?ItemID=E058B0ADF4B10F4CBCBCFF996643FA7F

According to the Ministry of Interior, the weekend of three border crossings - Mary, Star and Medzitlija Dojran to Greek beaches left 17,214 Macedonian nationals.

Go Greeks. Whatever you are putting in the water and food is working.

They are cuing for 5 to 6 hours and even fighting to get in. They really must like greek style so give it to them good.

[Epirot]

I wonder how many euro are going to Greece. Next time you see greek propaganda negating your existence don’t get angry just think of your last holiday and how wonderfull it was.

That's what I pointed out in two of my comments in this thread but nobody pays attention for its message. I was saying that Albanians & Macedonians should not go as a tourists in Greece because our monies goes in pocket of Greece. Going there mean that our monies strength more and more fascist machinery of Greek state. And such a thing does not suit to our national interests. It seems not a wise thing to pay our death with our monies. Do you get my point?

[fyrOM]

I’m beginning to think it’s a waste of time and effort when not only people are going there but even people on this site are not only advocating going there but making up excuses why damaging Greece’s economy is not a bad thing and freedom of movement is more important.

[UMDiaspora.org]

If any French-Macedonians on here, please send to French newspapers:

Des voitures de Macédoniens vandalisées en Grèce.
Texte traduit de l’anglais par Rafaël Primeau-Ferraro
Apparu originalement sur la chaîne de télévision Kanal 5 TV en Macédoine le 1er Août 2010

http://kanal5.com.mk/default.aspx?mId=37&egId=13&eventId=63364

« La Grèce ou rien », « Macédonien est Grecque », sont au nombre des insultes que des touristes Macédoniens ont pu apercevoir sur leur voiture stationné dans le 2ème district de la péninsule de Halkidiki la fin de semaine dernière. Les photos en pièces jointes montrent la voiture du directeur général de l’entreprise Hypo Adria Leasing Macedonia, Oliver Zintl. Autrichien d’origine, ce dernier a vu ses vacances ruinées étant donné que les plaques d’immatriculation de sa voiture étaient écrites en Macédonien.


« Ils ont écrit, avec des graffitis verts, « Macédonien est Grecque » en plus de quelques autres symboles. Entre autres, des symboles Nazis ont été peinturés sur ma voiture. C’est un désastre. Je suis très frustré.


En tant qu’Autrichien, j’ai de la difficulté à croire que certaines personnes soient capables de faire quelque chose de semblable. Je ne le crois pas, je ne comprends pas » a mentionné Zintl à la chaîne Kanal 5 TV.

« Des bacs de poubelles ainsi que des murs situés près des appartements où logeaient les touristes Macédoniens ont également été vandalisés.
Peut-être est-ce l’acte d’un groupe extrémiste. Des résidents locaux sont venus en aide aux touristes Macédoniens » a expliqué le journaliste Philip Nacovski.
« Un Grecque m’a aperçu et nous avons appelé la police. Ces derniers sont arrivés 2 heures plus tard et un des policiers m’a expliqué que cela était dû au fait qu’il y avait d’autres actes de vandalisme de la sorte à différents endroits et qu’ils avaient été les inspecter. Il m’a été suggéré de me rendre au poste de police le plus près et de demander une compensation monétaire pour les dommages subis à ma voiture ou de simplement enlever les graffitis moi-même en utilisant de l’essence » rapporta Nacovski, qui a vu lui aussi sa voiture Reno être vandalisée.


Le ministère des Affaires Étrangères de la Macédoine ne possède pas suffisamment de détails sur la situation qui s’est produite, malgré le fait que le bureau a reçu plusieurs photos des voitures endommagées appartenant à des touristes Macédoniens en voyage en Grèce. Le ministère a émis un communiqué enjoignant les victimes de vandalisme de rapporter leur situation au Consulat de la Macédoine en Grèce ou au ministère directement. Ces gestes seront examinés par le ministère et viendront certainement nuire aux bonnes relations qu’entretiennent les deux pays.


Les touristes Macédoniens ont tenté eux-mêmes de faire disparaître les marques de vandalisme laissés sur leur voiture en utilisant de l’essence, un produit qui se fait plus rare en Grèce dans les jours qui courent en raison des grèves de syndicats de travailleurs Grecques.

[fyrOM]

Prolet have a look at Onurs post. Its never been a fair fight with Greece hence any opportunity against them should never be missed especially now that they are financially down.

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4071&page=4

[Bij]

I crossed the border a few years ago to holiday in egejska with my aunty and uncle...... didn't consider it going to a different country when everyone spoke macedonian to me :-) my aunty and uncle brought everything from home (food wise), the only thing they bought from greece was bread so it could be fresh.

i didn't consider it giving to the greek economy, more giving to my brothers and sisters living in greek occupied macedonia. they've had it rough as it is, with not being able to get government jobs or formal education. you forget that these people need to live too

[Prolet]

I agree Bij

Thats how i look at it too

OziMak, I never disagreed with you i just stated that we need to look at our minority there.

[George S.]

well that proves what a bunch of uncivilised people the greeks are especially if the authorities don't do anything they can expect a backlash of visits from macedonia.What happens if macedonians reciprocate on the greek tourists in macedonia i'm shure they won't like it.

[Prolet]

Here is footage from Sitel

http://www.sitel.com.mk/video/makedonija/grchki-shovinisti-udrija-po-makedonskite-vozila

[Makedonetz]

Prolet keep us posted if any more news turns out regarding this issue. I hope those Hooligani get their asses kicked

[fyrOM]

Prolet you make me laugh at the persistence you have in twisting like a worm to smooth over and diminish things.

Oh come on OziMak, Greece is split into two parts the South and the North.

Maybe you missed the YOU ARE ENTERING GREECE sign at the border. I don’t think any Greeks see their country as split or separated especially the Greeks in egej Macedonia. or did you forget there were any.

Bij didn't consider it going to a different country when everyone spoke Macedonian to me

Really Bij EVERYONE or everyone of your relatives. Does anyone know the statistics of Macedonians and non Macedonians in egej Macedonia. Greeks please jump in. I think a good number of Greeks in egej would say OHI RE im the Makedonios.

It doesn’t matter its only small numbers going there. According to Prolet Macedonians from outside of Greece have holiday homes there. According to the Ministry of Interior, the weekend of three border crossings - Mary, Star and Medzitlija Dojran to Greek beaches left 17,214 Macedonian nationals.

In one weekend only.

Germanos S.A……………….by the way the person Germanos was one of the originators of the Greek revolution against the ottomans.
Founded in 1980

http://investing.businessweek.com/re...ivcapId=915314

As of December 31, 2006, it operated 645 stores in Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia………by the way Germanos the company is a leader in the economic fight against those scumbag Slavs
Germanos SA announced earnings year ended December 31, 2009 revenues of €256.9 million

A million euros here or there it really doesn’t matter right. that’s what they say in RoM.
See my post page two

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=66357#post66357

Germanos the man and Germanos the company two patriotic Greeks leading the fight for Greece.

The inconsistencies and flip flops of the Macedonians are amazing. Even more amazing are the apologists who come on the so called Macedonian TRUTH site to whitewash and play down any talk which might reduce travel holidaying or anything which might reduce money flowing into Greece less Uncles Café might loose some revenue after all we [B]wouldn’t want to see Greece fold as a country.[/B] A direct quote from Prolet

Re Prolet

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4055&page=5

even though Greece in in a huge financial hole. Not always one punch knockouts happen. A loss here and one there and some more over there ect and suddenly they are falling flat. every effort big and small should be made.

No we don’t want to hurt Greece because it might hurt Uncles Café and that’s more important. Denying our rights… eh we are used to it like someone pissing on your head but at least its warm. We will say the right words about how we don’t like it but we will let RoM or the diaspora or whoever the hell else can fight it for us because it might cost us something if we did.

Muabet samo e muabet ama sirejneto e so pari.
A conversation is just a conversation but the cheese is for money.

But don’t worry if you win we will be the first ones there to clap you just bring the booze to shout your win.

Well show you clips from SITEL like the one above to egg you on. Right Prolet.

Dang Skips the RoMians were easy to fool.

Hey here is a name we might get the Greeks to agree to RoMians. It sounds like Romi and they do call us a bunch of gypsies who cam from god knows where to take their land and heritage. It doesn’t really matter according to EVERY one as long as they can get a Greek coffee at Uncles Café. Now that’s important.

Bravo Greeks. Whatever you put in the water and food is amazing.

[Prolet]

Spolaj Ti OziMak

First of all why are you so surprised? Its funny how you see our people as if they are some sort of goltari, dont you own a holiday home at the gold coast or Rye,Sorrento,Port Sea,Dromana?? We have people who own homes in the Adriatic coast from Monte Negro to the Croatian Coast mainly Dalmatia and even in the Istra region. We have Macedonians who own property in Egejska Makedonija from their parents and relatives why shouldnt our people go there?? Can somebody stop you from going to Geeong from Melbourne or Newcastle from Sydney? Its not 12ti vek, what do you think the EU is for? All these countries without borders, from Slovenija onwards there are no border posts so why shouldnt our people be entitled to travel wherever we like? If a Slovenec can travel to Austria,Italy,Switzerland,France without being strip searched on the border then im sure our people can travel 100km or even less into Egejska Makedonija.

Imagine if you own a home from your great grand father and some Gjuptin is trying to scare you off from not going to it, what would you do?