Philiki Eteria founders most likely Vlachs & Slav

[The LION will ROAR]

ALBANIANS ARE VLACHS?
According to 12th century historians, the Albanian tribes were ''Vlach speaking''.

According to N.G.L Hammond, Wace and Thompson and T. Winnifrith, the original Albanians were “Vlachs”.

YOU my friend and all your Gheg brotherhood, are IMPOSTERS.

Long live the Vlachs [and Macedonians].
Well, what I am saying is that historians in the 12th century were calling Albanians ''Vlachs'', and ''Vlach speaking''.

They should know, because in the 11th and 12th centuries, there was a large Vlach empire in Epirus and Albania - again, Epirus and Albania are 'geographies', actual physical landscapes - not an 'ethnic group' of its own..

So an Albanian in the year 1280 was an ethnic Vlach. An 'Albanian' in the year 2006 is not. That is the first distinction I draw.

And the key Illyrian tribes that ruled Albania [again, the geography], which modern ''Ottoman Albanians'' claim descent to, were ethnic Vlachs, according to the same historians.

Vlachs have their own names for places. Albanians use Slavic names for most of their places. To me this means that Albanians don't have long roots in the Balkans.

And the “linguistic” link for Ottoman Albanians to ancient Balkan lands is very weak. Modern Albanians have some words that appear in ancient Illyrian [but so do the Russians], and they have other words that appear in Baltic languages [but so do the Romanians], and they have words that appear in ancient Thracian [but so do the Macedonians and Bulgarians], BUT what separates the Albanians from the others are key words that compares their language to the more established language of areas of the east.

Ottoman imports for the most part - with a language admixture that confuses people.

[TrueMacedonian]

As about the topic.
The founders of Philiki Eteria were initially 4.

1.Panagiotis Anagnostopoulos (1790-1854)

From Andritsena-Peloponnese.

2.Emmanuil Xanthos (1772-1852)

From Patmos-Aegean Islands.

3.Nikolaos Skoufas (1779-1819)

From Komboti, Arta -Epirus.

4.Athanasios Tekelis (Tsakalof) (1788-1851)

From Ioannina- Epirus

all...slavs...

You know just by looking at where they were from one can come to an easy conclusion. Panagiotis (if he in fact was a founding member) is from Peleponesse so obviously he is an Albanian.





The others I have proved more or less what they are. Tsakalov could be half Slav half Vlach or he could be the tri-fecta ArvanitoSlavoVlach He is after all from Joanina, Epirus and through researching epirus was indeed a hotspot for Albanians, Vlachs and Slavs. Epirus even had plenty of Slavic place names. So don't be shocked that Tsakolov or any of the above aren't ethnically "greek". I notice you shut-up since I proved Kolokotronis and Odysseus are Albanians. Again do not be shocked. Look into your true ethnic background and learn to accept the brutal truth that you have been lied to all along.

[Soldier of Macedon]

So...no evidence about Tsakalov.
That's ok.

Do you have proof that he was an "ethnic Hellene"? Evidently this guy is some apparent father of your nation, and given that most of the other father's of your nation range from Albanians to Vlachs to British to Germans, it is up to you to show he was "ethnic Hellene".

Personally, I couldn't care less about him, the man is recorded with a Slavic name, and he is a father of your 'Greek' nation. It is no suprise that this doesn't sound the least bit odd to you, as you people have developed to ability to see sugar where there is only shit.

[Pelister]

Just on the theme of misrepresenting Greece, and Macedonia.

Pavlos Melas in a letter to Karavangelis suggested that Greece should spend cosiderable sums of money buying European newspapers

This comment has to be seen in the light of a letter found on a Greek prisoner with the directive:

Exterminate the Macedonian priests, the teachers and the notables, and neglect by no means of proving to the whole world that Macedonia is purely Greek

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It was widely held conviction in the West that the balkans was full of Greeks.

[TrueMacedonian]

TM,

This is a great book. In this book N.G.L Hammond also lists the Byzatine sources from the 11th centuries that say that four Albanian tribes - Albanoi, Mesaratai, Bouie and Malakassi are Vlach speaking. Not really relevent, but interesting regardless.

It is an interesting book Paul. I think as much as he was a philhellene in the 20th century he did good with Migrations and Invasions.

[Pelister]

TM,

This is a great book. In this book N.G.L Hammond also lists the Byzatine sources from the 11th centuries that say that four Albanian tribes - Albanoi, Mesaratai, Bouie and Malakassi are Vlach speaking. Not really relevent, but interesting regardless.

[TrueMacedonian]

Omg...you r so dazed and confused...
where it says Androutsos is "Albanian"..?

Anyway...things melt in your head...

NO EVIDENCE AT ALL YET ABOUT KSANTHOS,SKOUFAS,TSAKALOF,ANAGNOSTOPOULOS.

FAIL

CASE CLOSED

No the case is not closed. Actually let's use the terminology closet opening because the skeletons of your nations past are doing the Tsam dance. Here's a little about Odysseus for you Terrable:

[TerraNova]

Omg...you r so dazed and confused...
where it says Androutsos is "Albanian"..?

Anyway...things melt in your head...

NO EVIDENCE AT ALL YET ABOUT KSANTHOS,SKOUFAS,TSAKALOF,ANAGNOSTOPOULOS.

FAIL

CASE CLOSED

[TrueMacedonian]

So many Ioannes and Pavlos names ... gone.
Would the Macedonians have done the same thing if Lord Byron took a wrong detour?
I sincerely do not think so. Mainly due to the fact that our culture is in fact quite full and was not in need of some fanciful ideology to help create a robust new ethnicity from various other ethnicities.

Here's a little about the Albanian hero Odysseus Androutsos from the same book you just read from Risto.





But he has to be an ethnic "greek"!!! His name is "greek". Right...RIGHT

[TrueMacedonian]

Maybe Greek, from Macedonia to add. What you need to see? an ethnographic map of the time? a pro Bulgarian site that lists all the villages and its people from the early 1900's? Let me know ill provide.
My language is there in the book u posted, yours didnt make the team.
You find 2 groups that have been assimilated and are getting all fired up, now post Brailsford so i can read about the Geniune Greek city of Kastoria. Those Greeks make the best furs up there in Koshturi.

I'm glad you like the source of propaganda that the so-called "Pan-Macedonians" love using here and there. I just wish they read the entire book, as well as you.

[Risto the Great]

So many Ioannes and Pavlos names ... gone.
Would the Macedonians have done the same thing if Lord Byron took a wrong detour?
I sincerely do not think so. Mainly due to the fact that our culture is in fact quite full and was not in need of some fanciful ideology to help create a robust new ethnicity from various other ethnicities.

[TrueMacedonian]

Let's break it down even further.


pg.19





Maybe you should start learning about your true history and not one from modern "greece".

[TrueMacedonian]

You just don't have one evidence about these 4...
ZERO evidence.

You failed too.

Any other...?

I think the reason why you wear ear muffs is because everyone around you got tired of the whistling sound they heard everytime a gust of wind came and went due to lack of brains in that head of yours.
You avoid the obvious because it goes against Paparrigopoulos' school textbook. If a Vlach (Rigas) established that any christian could be a "greek" and he in turn inspired the Philiki Eteria why would it be so hard for you to imagine that these 3 or 4 goons who started the Eteria weren't Vlachs(or Slav) themselves?

[TerraNova]

Did you read the first page as to how I came to that conclusion or do you need me to buy you a tutor to teach you how to read english? There is no such thing as an ethnic "greek" so of course it was easy to come to the conclusion that I did Terrable.

You just don't have one evidence about these 4...
ZERO evidence.

You failed too.

Any other...?

[TrueMacedonian]

Your title is :> Philiki Eteria founders most likely Vlachs & Slav

They are 4.
Any evidence about them...?

Did you read the first page as to how I came to that conclusion or do you need me to buy you a tutor to teach you how to read english? There is no such thing as an ethnic "greek" so of course it was easy to come to the conclusion that I did Terrable.