Monuments and Statues in the Macedonian Republic

[julie]

They are very impressive and very appropriate, Chento seems to have been forgotten and this is something that will remain , he was a great man
Cyril and Methodius, our Macedonian brothers gave us our cyrillic alphabet, actually, slavic people use the alphabet worldwide, so very apt.

I have a dream, that one day I may go to Skopje, Macedonia square and pay pilgrimage , and to each and every part of beloved Macedonia

[EgejskaMakedonia]

Well said Julie, all our heroes definitely deserve equal recognition and respect, as they all played their part for Macedonia.

Regarding the Cento statue, the aspect I really like is the hat over the heart.
Anyone know when the next statues in line will make an appearance?
There hasn't been a whole lot of news or coverage on the statues recently to my knowledge, but lets hope they are revealed soon.

The question of vandalism is crucial for the preservation of these statues. Not only is this a major issue, but to deface a statue of a respected and honoured national hero shows a lack of respect and duty to one's nation. This has not been a concern for the newly placed statues thus far, however it is inevitable that over the course of time, individual statues may unfortunately experience some vandalism by these ignorant people.

Are there any initiatives or projects set up to prevent such an event from occurring? Maybe 24-hour surveillance in designated areas in order to identify the perpetrators or possibly a similar strategy.

[Coolski]

I actually really like this Skopje 2014 project. Macedonia's capital needs a nice city centre, not commie building blocks that cheaply replaced the beautiful old buildings that Skopje had before 1967.

The statues are also a great addition.

[Daniel the Great]

Wow they are great.

[Prolet]

Statue of Gemidzii/Solunski Atentatori on Plostad Makedonija

The famous Gemidzii lead by Pavel Shatev are currently being placed in the city square of Skopje near the Stone Bridge (Kameni Most)

Its good to see the Japanese Tourists there taking photos.

http://www.sitel.com.mk/video/makedonija/pochna-postavuvanjeto-na-skulpturata-%E2%80%9Egemidzii%E2%80%9C

[thessalo-niki]

These guys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessaloniki_bombings_of_1903

They are well known in Thessaloniki. We like them, because they were... bombers, but I have to admit we call and consider them Bulgarians. There are many Greek books and essays and at least one good historical novel about them, writen by Yiannis Megas in the mid 90s.
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Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul

[Onur]

These guys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessaloniki_bombings_of_1903

Looks like they were also involved in the bombing of the central bank of Ottoman Empire. I`ve never heard these "Gemici" people b4 but the bombing of central bank is thoroughly discussed and investigated in Turkey.

For centuries, Central bank of Ottoman Empire was under the control of the Jews but Armenians became highly disturbed from this after 1890s and they wanted to take control of the central bank from the Jews. They assasinated few Jews for that. So, Armenians was behind of this bombings and it looks like they used these "Gemici" people for their own benefit. AFAIK, many Jewish bankers died in that incident and Armenians took control of the Central bank after this event.

Few years laters, when the WW-1 started, most of Armenian bankers escaped to the USA and Europe with lots of gold they stole from central bank and they mostly invested this stolen money in USA for oil companies and they became top50 richest men in the world.

[Makedonetz]

Onur
They carried out what are considered to be terrorist actions in Solun at the beginning of XX century to turn the attention of Europe and the world to Macedonia and the suffering of MACEDONIANS under Ottoman rule

Here is some tibit info i found about the Gemidzii & Pavel Shatev

They received funding mainly from the money that was raised through the kidnapping of the American Christian missionary Miss Ellen Stone, executed by Yane Sandanski and his cheta!

Pavel Shatev survived the exile in the North-African town under Ottoman rule, called Fezzan. he was released in 1908 when the Young-Turk revolution proclaimed general amnesty. He and the rest of the survivors dug out and cut of the heads of their Macedonian compatriots that died in the prison, so that they could bring them back home to their relatives (they promised this when they were exiled)
Years later Pavel Shatev was one of the people that formed IMRO-United in Vienna, he then went to Belgium and got a degree in law and was the first minister of jurisdiction and law in the first MACEDONIAN government after WWII.
After being accused of trying to "plot and undermine" the Yugoslav authorities by planning the unification of Pirin and Aegean Macedonia with its Vardar part!
In a mock trial he was sentenced to "Goli Otok" - Yugoslav concentration camp (gulag for political prisoners), a barren island in the Adriatic Sea that has nothing but stones and rocks on it.
Later he was released in house arrest and died in 1952!

Thessa is wiki is your lifeline? are they funded by the greeks you guys would make Kermit the Frog sound like he was greek from the swamps of Parnassus

[Bratot]

Anarchism and national liberation

Freedom-centred ideas entered Macedonia through young people who had been students in Switzerland and Bulgaria at the end of the 19th century. Between 1897 and 1898 two anarchist papers were published from Geneva - Glas (The Voice) and Otmachtenie of the so-called Secret Macedonian Revolutionary Committee fighting for Macedonia’s liberation from the Turks and for the establishment of a socialist Balkan Federation. The ideas of Russian populism and anarchism were espoused by the first Macedonian socialist Vasil Glavinov (1869-1929). In Sofia, Glavinov met Gotche Deltchev (1872-1903), a leading light of the struggle to liberate Macedonia and founder of the Adrianopolis-based Macedonian Secret Revolutionary Organisation (set up in Salonika in October 1893), the man behind the revolutionary uprising on St Elias’s day in 1903. Deltchev also had a hand in establishing the “Republic of Krusevo”, the Balkans’ first socialist republic (it survived for nearly three months).
Deltchev was in close contact and personal friends with the leading Bulgarian anarchists Mihail Guerdzhikov and Varban Kilifarski.
Lots of other anarchist fighters for an independent Macedonia gathered around Deltchev, among them Petar Mandzhukov (1879-1966) who published The ABC of Anarchist Doctrine in Skopje in 1898, Dame Gruev (1871-1906), Jane Sandanski (1872-1915), Nikola Karev (1877-1905), Dimo Hadzidimov (1875-1915) and others. The Macedonian anarchists also had a secret “brodara” terrorist group, the Guemidzija, in Salonika (members included Jordan Pop-Jardanov, Marko Bosnakov, Dimiter Mecev, Konstantin Kirkov, Pavel Satev, Milan Arsov and Vladimir Pingov). By organising a wave of bomb attacks on public buildings they sought to focus the eyes of the word upon the Macedonian liberation struggle (1903). Some of them were killed, others captured, sentenced to death or banished to Turkey.

An international Balkan revolutionary anarchist association called the “Red Brotherhood” was active from 1910 to 1912 in Salonika, Strumitsa, Kumanovo and Kratovo and fought the Turks in an effort to liberate Macedonia.

[Bratot]

The millitary skills of the Macedonian revolutioneers were widely known, for example the specific gun shooting from 2 guns at same time bears the name "Macedonian" among the Anti-terrorist Units in the World.

ДУЭЛЬ ПО-МАКЕДОНСКИ
Боевые инструкции СМЕРШ.
Для сотрудников СОБР, ОМОН и военной контрразведки.
Николай СИМОНОВ.

...Стрельба по-македонски - стрельба на ходу из двух пистолетов (револьверов) по движущейся цели..

Сейчас уже никто не помнит, как появился термин "стрельба по-македонски", но эта боевая методика, резко увеличивающая огневую мощь конкретного стрелка на коротких дистанциях оперативного боестолкновения, оказалась очень удачной. Настолько удачной, что до сих пор культивируется в оперативно-боевом применении антитеррористических подразделений многих стран мира.

Чтобы все это получалось лучше, большие пальцы рук, удерживающих оружие, плотно захватываются один за другой (фото 2).

Это называется "македонский захват".

http://www.pishtov.com/Training/Txt_Mkd.htm

Also there was a special kind of a bomb called " MAKEDONKA"

Eдуард Лимонов

Следует отметить здесь борьбу македонцев (в частности, организаторов IMRO) с 1893 по 1894 год за национальную независимость против Оттоманской Империи и Болгарии.
Террор македонцев не привёл их тогда к независимости, хотя они немало поработали. Круглая бомба с детонатором (вначале это был флигель, а позднее ввинчивающийся детонатор) под названием "македонка" была широко распространена в мире как орудие покушения (не менее "Калашникова" была популярна).


For translation from the Russian text use Google.

[Soldier of Macedon]

These guys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessaloniki_bombings_of_1903

They are well known in Thessaloniki. We like them, because they were... bombers, but I have to admit we call and consider them Bulgarians. There are many Greek books and essays and at least one good historical novel about them, writen by Yiannis Megas in the mid 90s.
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Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul

Good, then their cause should be well known too, the liberation of Macedonia, not her annexation to a neighbouring state. These men were Macedonians, what you Greeks consider about our people is flawed, deliberately. One of those involved was Pavel Shatev, he was also a member of Macedonia's post WWII government for a time.

Yannis' "historical" novel doesn't compare to our historical reality.

[Prolet]

thessalo-niki, The Gemidzii come from Veles although Pavel Shatev was born in Kratovo which is in Eastern Macedonia. They all died and only Shatev survived.

Just recently i think around 2-3 weeks ago, from Veles they sailed down all the way to Gevgelija with hand made boats thats how the Gemidzii went all the way Solun. The river Vardar starts from Vrutok and goes all the way into Egejska Makedonija, back then it was not under Greece even thought Greece wasnt under the Ottoman Empire anymore.

I dont know how the Bulgarians can claim the Gemidzii are Bulgarian its so crap its not funny, its a disgrace. Bulgaria occupied our country, Bulgaria was a Trojan Horse for us and in turn cost us dearly this is why nobody trusts Bulgarians its as simple as that.

[Frank]

I dont know how the Bulgarians can claim the Gemidzii are Bulgarian its so crap its not funny, its a disgrace. Bulgaria occupied our country.

The Greeks promote themselves to suit thier agenda also

[Jankovska]

These guys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessaloniki_bombings_of_1903

They are well known in Thessaloniki. We like them, because they were... bombers, but I have to admit we call and consider them Bulgarians. There are many Greek books and essays and at least one good historical novel about them, writen by Yiannis Megas in the mid 90s.
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Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul

And who gives a fuck about what you or your nation thinks? You don't live in the real world, we all get that. So spare us the bullshit and stop ruining every thread with what the Greeks think. Frankly no one cares.
The Gemidzii fought for independent Macedonia, came from Macedonia and lived for Macedonia. Which part you or your people are not clear with?

[Makedonetz]

Thessa you need to go back and read up on "your People" your not even a Grc Vlach! we dont change our coats when the wind blows in a different direction.