Prespa Agreement

[Niko777]

What about businesses?

No, they cannot. But if they wanted to, they will probably threaten business owners with other problems, like inspections, until they remove it themselves.

[Gocka]

Under the agreement, the government is obligated to remove the symbol from "monuments, facilities of public and other infrastructure projects", not private homes.

What about businesses?

I'm going to Macedonia in 2 weeks, I want to buy flags and give them away and get as many as I can up in public view.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Under the agreement, the government is obligated to remove the symbol from "monuments, facilities of public and other infrastructure projects", not private homes.

They talk about „живот“ and how everyone's livelihood is going to improve yet spend millions on rebranding and removals.

[Niko777]

Yeah I really don't think this is a law that can be enforced.

Under the agreement, the government is obligated to remove the symbol from "monuments, facilities of public and other infrastructure projects", not private homes.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Yeah I really don't think this is a law that can be enforced.

[Gocka]

I'd like to see them try and take my flags down it my home.

[Niko777]

North Macedonia to remove the Vergina Sun from all public spaces

According to a news report from a Northern Macedonian newspaper Sloboden Pecat, the country’s government announced its intention to remove and ban the use of the Sun of Vergina, which was also depicted in the first flag of its independence, of the then former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

Media outlets in opposition to Zaev’s government were critical of the move and condemned it as they did with the Prespes Agreement with Greece.

The North Macedonian government’s announcement however is in compliance with the Prespes Agreement signed with Greece which stipulated that it has no connection nor claim to Ancient Macedonia culture and its respective symbols.

“At its meeting on 4 July, the Government of Northern Macedonia obliges the General Secretariat to ask the competent authorities to provide information on the monuments, facilities of public and other infrastructure projects bearing the Vergina Sun, a symbol that is a symbol part of the ancient Macedonian civilisation and belongs to the Greek civilisation, as it is the owner of the copyright, while, literally, it is a work of art. This information should be provided within a deadline set by the government,” the paper writes.

The constitutional amendments to the name change of the state was passed on the 11th of January 2019 and came into force on the 12th of February 2019, and the deadline for the renaming of the monuments and the removal of the Vergina Sun expires on the 12th of August 2019.

Source: https://greekcitytimes.com/2019/07/1...public-spaces/

[Gocka]

Remember when fyromians were 'playing the game' and then the game raped them?

Apparently some people enjoyed raped then.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Dumbarse northies support a name change and now complain about diminutives formed from the very name they accepted. This idiocy writes itself. Too late now you проклети северјани.

[Vangelovski]

Remember when fyromians were 'playing the game' and then the game raped them?

[Risto the Great]

They should have been calling all the sellouts FYROMIANS for the last 25 years. But "Northies" is a start I guess.

[Rogi]

I like it.

There should be a consistent flow of memes, unending, belittling "Northies" and a strong line of "Are you a northy, or a Macedonian?" keeping up pressure to denounce or seperate oneself from the northies.

[Bill77]

"Mirjana Najcevska calls it a textbook case of "hate speech."

Snow flakes in Macedonia now?

Fucken Northies...... smh

[Risto the Great]

'Northies' Has Crept Into The Macedonian Debate. Will It Ever Go Away?

'Northies' Has Crept Into The Macedonian Debate. Will It Ever Go Away?

https://www.rferl.org/a/northies-has-crept-into-the-macedonian-debate-will-it-ever-go-away-/30020114.html

Even before Macedonians' decades-old spat with neighboring Greece was finally resolved earlier this year, the new name-calling had begun.

Referendum "boycotters," social-media trolls, and some other critics were already belittling as "Northies" (северџан/severchan) their fellow Macedonians who took part in the process to rename their former Yugoslav republic North Macedonia and ease Greek concerns that territorial claims on their region called Macedonia were just a matter of time.

And while the "Northie" name-calling appears to have abated since the implementation of the so-called Prespa Agreement that guided the name change to North Macedonia, its use continues, especially hashtagged on social media but also occasionally in more traditional media.

And the practice is a matter of concern to some.

Mirjana Najcevska calls it a textbook case of "hate speech."

"By using this term, a certain group of people is seeking to dehumanize or, in this case, 'de-identify,'" Najcevska, who specializes in rights and discrimination issues for the Institute for Sociological, Political, and Juridical Research, told RFE/RL's Balkan Service.

"Some people seek to label others in a way that not only degrades and humiliates but also takes away certain characteristics -- either to limit the rights of those people in a given situation or to create a hostile atmosphere and in future justify violent behavior toward that group of people."

Others counter that even if the intention is to insult, the term "Northies" is so matter-of-fact that it doesn't pack the kind of punch that is likely to truly divide Macedonian society.

"It's not hate speech," Angel Mojsovski, a researcher with the Skopje-based European Policy Institute, a think tank, told RFE/RL. "Maybe it's meant to be an insult from those who are saying [it], but it doesn't mean anything. What does 'severchan' mean? Nothing. 'People who are living in North Macedonia.'"

He noted that the "Northie" label was initially being applied by detractors to anyone who was participating in the referendum, including liberals who would go on to back Prespa or nationalists who turned out to oppose the name change, stripping it of much real meaning.

Mojsovski suggested that such insults could melt away with political realignments in Macedonia, leaving a short-sighted term like "Northie" behind.

But such a warning is especially pertinent in the Balkans, where the breakup of Yugoslavia was accompanied by a decade of bitter conflict fueled by nationalism, ethnic rivalries, and strategic ambitions.

NATO, EU Ambitions

Many of those ambitions have since been replaced with hopes of joining NATO and the European Union, as fellow former Yugoslav republics Slovenia and Croatia have done.

Skopje has already signed an accession protocol with NATO that awaits ratification in allied capitals.

But as the European Union drags its feet on expansion and with eager Macedonians already frustrated by a lack of economic opportunities, critics warn that healing the divisions over the Prespa process might be made more difficult.

Prime Minister Zoran Zaev's center-left government negotiated the Prespa Agreement in part on the basis of a referendum in September that equated a solution to the name dispute with EU and NATO membership.

"Are you in favor of European Union and NATO membership by accepting the agreement between the Republic of Macedonia and the Republic of Greece?" the referendum asked voters in the mountainous country of some 2.1 million people.

Macedonians overwhelmingly approved it, albeit with only about one in three eligible voters casting ballots. Risto says WTF

EU Enlargement Commissioner Johannes Hahn called the endorsement "very significant." Risto again says WTF

Many Macedonians saw those and other indications as an assurance that resolution of the name squabble would immediately launch the country into accession talks, a yearslong goal of Skopje's foreign policy.

But North Macedonia was recently shunted along with Albania into EU limbo despite a European Commission recommendation for the start of those negotiations, reportedly in part because of objections by EU members France and the Netherlands.

There are concerns that the seeming contradictory actions by the EU might provide political ammunition against the "Northies."

One "boycotter" last week posted a video of Zaev reading the referendum question from last summer, punctuating the message with a #Northie tag.

So the bout of "Northie" name-calling could well continue, and it could leave a bitter taste in a lot of Macedonians' mouths, particularly if the European Union continues to keep them at arm's length.

But it is unlikely to rile Macedonians too much, or to create any intractable problems in their newly renamed country.

"We mind our own business. We're here eating and drinking and going on with our lives," said Mojsovski. "Most of the divisions that I see,... if you just follow social media, you'll think that all hell is breaking loose. But if you go out among real people, you don't get that feeling, especially in Skopje. It's not like we're killing each other."

Dear Mirjana, it is idiots like you who have de-identified yourselves. I can think of worse words that accurately describe your nation of hillbillies and they still wouldn't qualify as hate speech.

[Carlin]

Sho ubao Grchko ime - Sfet as

Interestingly, Sfetas speaks Serbian.