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[George S.]

BIG Greek Lie # 1 - “Modern Greeks are direct descendents of
the Ancient Greeks”
(The greatest victims of Greek lies are the Greeks themselves)
How can a region in the Balkans where modern Greece is located
today, which has been open to a multitude of invasions, conquests and
settlements, remain homogeneous and untouched for two thousand seven
hundred years?
Ironically, as the Greeks claim, how can modern Macedonia, a region
neighbouring modern Greece be so heterogeneous that it has completely
lost its original identity?
These are questions that every Greek should be asking!
Ever since Philip II of Macedonia conquered the ancient City States at
the conclusion of the battle of Chaeronea in 338 BC, the region south of
Olympus has been without borders and open to all kinds of invasions and
barbarian settlements.
How can one call a people of 2,300 years ago “Ancient Greeks” since
the word “Greek” was not coined until after the Roman conquests,
approximately 600 years after the establishment of the City States and
approximately 150 years after they were conquered by the Macedonians?
If you were to say “the ancient Canadians living on their lands 2,000
years ago” you would be ridiculed and told “there were no ancient
Canadians” and the people to whom you are referring who had once lived
on the lands of present Canada had nothing to do with the Canadians of
today! Yet, everyday you hear the word “ancient Greeks” and you don’t
bat an eye! Why is that?
It is also well known that the ancient City States were never united
politically and never established themselves as a single state. In fact they
existed politically independent from one another and fought each other for
economic dominance of the region.
The name “Greece” was imposed on the modern Greek Kingdom by
the Great Powers Britain, France and Russia. Modern Greeks call
themselves Hellenes (Ellines) and their state Hellas (Ellas), a name
borrowed from the past which neither describes the elements of a nation or
those of an ethnicity.
By using the name “Greek” to refer to both the ancient and modern
people, the Greek state falsely implies descent for the modern Greeks from
the ancients.
By using the name “Greece” to refer to both the ancient and modern
states, the Greek State is falsely implying;
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(1) continuity between the ancient City States and modern Greece,
and
(2) that there was some sort of political unity between the ancient
City States themselves where one did not exist.
In reality the words “Greece” and “Greek” were popularized by
modern 19th century writers. There are no ancient maps or references with
the words “Greece”.
The Romans may have made some references to the ancient people
living in Sicily as “Grecos” but they referred to the region south of
Olympus as Achaia.
During the Ottoman era the people living south of Olympus called
themselves Romeos (Romans).
Greece is a newly created state which never existed before the 19th
century. The Kingdom of Greece, occupying the region of Morea, present
day Peloponnesus, was created for the first time in 1829. Between 1829
and 1912 the Greeks enlarged their territory to present day Greece, by
conquering Epirus, Thessaly and 51% of Macedonia.
At its inception Greece started out with a small population of less than
one million people, most of whom were Albanians, Slavs and Vlahs with a
small minority of other ethnicities. By the time Greece conquered Epirus
and Thessaly, its population grew to three times its original size. In 1907 it
registered a population of 2,600,000. After it conquered Macedonia and
exchanged populations with Turkey, its population tripled. In 1928 Greece
registered 6,200,000 people. 1,100,000 of them were Christians, refugees
from Asia Minor.
After the Treaty of Lausanne in July 1923, and after the population
exchanges with Turkey, Greece declared itself homogenous consisting of
100% pure Greeks with a very small Muslim but ethnically Greek
population.
It is estimated that after Macedonia was conquered, occupied and had
some of its population evicted, more than one million Macedonians still
remained and were included among the Greeks.
According to Greece however, there were no non-Greeks left in
Macedonia after its population exchanges. Also, according to Greece, the
ancient Macedonians were extinct, killed off by the Slavs around the 6th
century AD during the so-called Slav invasions.
So the question that begs to be asked here is, “What ethnicity were
these million or so people who remained in Macedonia and became part of
Greece?” Many Greeks would argue that they were Bulgarians!
If that were the case, then how can the modern Greeks claim purity and
homogeneity if at least 16% of its population in 1928 was non-Greek?
What about its Vlah, Slav, Albanian and Turkish elements? Clearly they
are not Greeks, let alone being direct descendents of the so-called “ancient
Greeks”.
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Even this small argument shows that there is something “fishy” about
these Greek claims.
For over a century and a half, Greek State institutions, organizations
and individuals have been making unproven and unfounded allegations
that the modern Greeks are direct descendents of the ancients. To this day
they have shown no evidence to prove their claims. In fact the opposite is
true. There is ample evidence that proves that this particular modern Greek
claim is an outright BIG Greek lie.
This exact issue was tackled by Historian John Shea [1]. Among other
things, Shea proves that even the ancient people were not homogeneous.
“It has been estimated that in classical times the number of slaves in
Attica was roughly equal to the number of free inhabitants, or around
100,000. In Sparta there was an even greater proportion of slaves, and
most of them, the helots, were Messenians. While the slaves of Athens
were a wide racial mix and therefore less likely to unite on the basis of a
common language, these Messenian helots of Sparta all spoke Greek, and
had a kind of group self-consciousness. Thus they presented ‘special
problems of security for their Spartan masters, whose numbers were
constantly on the decline.’ Changes in the ethnic composition of Greek
city-states are illustrated by the comments about the case of Piso. Piso,
who had been the recipient of an unhelpful decision by a vote of the
Athenian city assembly, ‘made a violent speech in which he said that the
latter-day Athenians had no right to identify themselves with the great
Athenians of the days of Pericles, Demosthenes, Aeschylus, and Plato. The
ancient Athenians had been extirpated by repeated wars and massacres and
these were mere mongrels, degenerates, and the descendants of slaves. He
said that any Roman who flattered them as if they were the legitimate heirs
of those ancient heroes was lowering the dignity of the Roman name.’
Such historical ideas make it clear that even two thousand years ago the
notion of ethnic purity amongst the so-called Greeks was difficult to
sustain. The ethnic mix continued over the next two thousand years. As
Nicol has observed, ‘The ancient Greeks were, after all, of very mixed
ancestry; and there can be no doubt that the Byzantine Greeks, both before
and after the Slav occupation, were even more heterogenous’.” [2]
And there you have it!
THE TRUTH
The modern Greeks are not only NOT direct descendents of the
ancients, but their Greekness is a myth, a modern 19th century creation.

[George S.]

BIG Greek Lie # 2 - “The Koine Language is Greek”
(Modern Greeks are victims of their own making)
The Koine language made its way into Macedonia a little before Philip
II’s time. Poorly worded and misspelled inscriptions written in Koine were
found in the Macedonian capital which indicates that the language was not
well understood and was just making its way there.
The roots of the Koine language may have started in one of the more
progressive City States, most probably Athens, but by the time it made its
way to the Eastern Mediterranean, it had become the language of
administration and commerce, common to all Mediterranean nations.
In Macedonia, Koine was strictly the language of the educated and was
used by the court administrators and the international merchants.
By the time Koine arrived in Macedonia it was already the “lingua
franca” of administration and commerce in the Eastern Mediterranean
world.
Koine in those days was like English is today. In Europe for example,
countries have their own languages which they use to communicate at
home, but internationally they use English to communicate with other
countries.
Alexander the Great was the first to take Koine out of the
Mediterranean world to Asia, Africa and other worlds he conquered.
The real heroes for Koine’s success were Alexander’s successors the
Antigonids, Seleucids and the Ptolemies. It is well known that the
Ptolemies did not only insist on using Koine but they refused to learn any
other language not even the languages of those people they ruled.
Cleopatra VII was the only Macedonian sovereign from the Ptolemaic
dynasty who broke the Ptolemaic rule and learned several languages
including Egyptian.
The Koine language was so deeply rooted in the old Macedonian
empires that even after they were conquered by the Romans it continued to
flourish. Koine was spoken by Roman intellectuals even in Rome. Almost
all ancient literary works were written in Koine
Let’s not forget that throughout the Macedonian and Roman periods
Koine, in spite of its popularity with the educated and elite, remained a
language of administration and commerce. Koine was never a language of
the common people.
While Koine served its purpose in the administrative and commercial
circles, other languages, languages of the people, simultaneously also
flourished in parallel but in their oral form until they were later codified by
Christianity.
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After the Roman Empire split into East and West, Koine again
resurfaced and replaced Latin as the administrative language of the Eastern
or Pravoslav Empire.
Koine remained active and served the administration and commerce of
the Pravoslav world for over a millennium.
Interestingly, Koine also became the administrative and commercial
language of the Ottoman Empire and continued to exist in a commercial
and administrative capacity during Ottoman rule as it did during Pravoslav
rule.
By Islamic law, Muslims were not allowed to travel outside of their
domain, handle public funds or speak foreign languages. The Ottomans
employed Christians to administer foreign affairs, banking and trade with
the outside world. And yes you guessed it, the Christians continued to
employ the Koine language throughout Ottoman rule as they did during
Pravoslav rule.
The keepers of the Ottoman administrative and commercial services as
well as the rulers of the Christian world inside the Ottoman Empire were
known as the Phanariots.
The Phanariots were a Christian educated and professional middle
class or the bourgeoisie of the Ottoman world. They were people from
various ethnicities from every corner of the Eastern world. They were the
clerics, the translators (dragoman), the merchants and the captains of ships
and of industry and they all spoke Koine. They were called Phanariots
because they lived in a district of Tsari Grad (Constantinople or Istanbul)
known as the Phanar.
In the 19th century, during the Ottoman decline, the Phanariots were
much in favour of toppling the Ottoman administration. The idea was to
overthrow the Ottoman Sultan and his Muslim rule and replace it with
Christian rule. Unfortunately the Great Powers did not favour that idea and
it failed. After that, the Phanariots worked closely with the Great Powers
to establish the Greek Kingdom.
Even though the people of the newly established Greek Kingdom were
of many different ethnicities including Albanians, Vlahs, Macedonians,
Slavs, Turks, etc, each with a unique language and culture, the Great
Powers instilled upon them the idea that they were the descendents of the
ancient people who lived in that region over two millenniums ago.
After nearly a decade of contemplation as to which language to use,
Greek authorities finally decided to adopt the Koine language as the
literary language of their new nation. They disregarded all vibrant and
living peoples’ languages in favour of the ancient administrative and
commercial Koine.
Unfortunately, after two millennium of evolution, the modern version
of Koine contained many foreign elements and proved distasteful to the
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Greek purists who wanted a pure language which was close to those of the
ancient City States.
After nearly a century of using Koine the purists finally got their
chance to replace it. Their new choice was an old, dead Attic language
used by the ancient Athenians 2,500 years ago. The Greeks called their
new language the Catharevoussa for its linguistic purity.
Unfortunately, this language had been dead for two thousand years and
the Greek literary world which was used to the bastardized impure Koine,
found it very difficult to understand and impossible to express emotion. Its
use was finally terminated in the 1970’s in favour of the bastardized Koine
(Dimotiki).
For those Greeks who insist that all ancient Greeks spoke a dialect of
the same language, here are some simple and common everyday words in
English, Ancient Attic and Modern Koine;
English Catharevoussa (Ancient Attic) Dimotiki (Koine)
Horse Ipos Alogo
Donkey Onos Gaidaros
Hen Ornitha Kota
Goat Ega Gida (Katsika)
Kid (baby goat) Erifi Katsiki
Bread Artos Psomi
THE TRUTH
The Koine language belongs to all the Eastern Mediterranean people and
not just modern Greece.
Modern Greece took the Koine language, which by rights belongs to
all the Eastern Mediterranean people, for itself and now calls it Greek.
Just because Greece adopted Koine as the literary language for its
modern nation, it does not make it exclusively Greek. Koine evolved as the
language of administration and commerce in the entire Eastern
Mediterranean and as such belongs to all the people in the Eastern
Mediterranean world.
If anyone should claim credit for Koine’s effectiveness and long
survival it should be the ancient Macedonians who insisted on using it for

[George S.]

BIG Greek Lie # 3 - “The Ancient ‘Greek gods’ were Greek”
(Some modern Greeks believe that those who spoke Greek and
believed in the Greek gods were actually Greek)
We often read in books, see movies and hear stories about the so-called
mythical “Greek gods” but have we ever stopped to think what makes
these deities Greek? Are they “Greek” because they originated where
modern Greece is today? Are they “Greek” in a national sense? Are they
Greek because the Ancients that lived in the region where modern Greece
is today wrote about them? How are they “Greek”?
The word “Greek” before the word “gods” implies that there is a
relationship between “Greek” and “gods” which means that in some way
these gods belong to Greece or the “Greeks”. Since these “gods” are not
associated with other Mediterranean people such as the Macedonians,
Paeonians, Illyrians, Thracians, Pelasgians, Phrygians, Lydians, Carians,
Lycians, Paphlagonians, Cappadocians, Cilicians, Picidians, Pamphylians
and others, in a similar manner, who also celebrated and believed in them,
then one is led to believe that these gods must be exclusively connected to
Greece and the “Greeks”
The question is how?
Among several sources we consulted, Microsoft’s Encarta
encyclopedia under the heading “Greek Mythology” had an explanation
but this explanation did not enforce the idea that the so-called “Greek
gods” were actually “Greek”.
According to Encarta, mythology in written form appeared for the first
time in the literary works of Hesiod and Homer around the eighth century
BC. Homer, as we know, produced the famous works the “Iliad” and
“Odyssey” and Hesiod produced the poems “Theogony”. Both authors in
their respective works talk about the various tales and legends associated
with ancient deities. Hesiod, however, according to Encarta, takes a step
further and introduces a larger number of myths that include deities that
are not mentioned by Homer. Hesiod, in “Theogony”, who talks about the
creation of the world, the birth of the gods as well as their adventures,
NEVER ONCE mentions “Greek” or any other name derived from this
word!
Similarly, Homer in his works the “Iliad” and the “Odyssey”,
considered to be reliable sources for the so-called “Greek Mythology” and
the “Greek gods”, NEVER ONCE mentions the word “Greek” or any other
name derived from this word!
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So again, how are these so-called “Greek gods” “Greek”? Perhaps the
authors who wrote about them were from the region where modern Greece
is today?
According to Carlos Parada, an internationally recognized researcher
and expert on mythology, the following authors have contributed to the socalled
“Greek mythology”;
Author %
Contribution
Lived in / Ethnicity
Apolodorus 19 Alexandria / Unknown *
Paucsanias 12 Lydia / Lydian
Hyginus 12 Rome / Unknown (Spanish?)
Homer 8 Asia Minor? / Unknown
Ovid 6 Rome / Roman
Nonnus 5 Egypt / Egyptian
Hesiod 4.6 Boeotia / Boeotian **
Diodorus Siculus 4.4 Sicily / Sicilian
Virgil 4 Mantua Italy / Roman
Quintus Smynaeus 3.3
Statius 2.6 Rome / Roman
Antonius Liberalis 2 Rome / Roman
Valerius Flaccus 2 Rome / Roman
Apollonius Rhodius 1.8 Alexandria ? Unknown
Dionysius of Halicarnassus 1.5 Caria / Unknown
Euripides 1.5 Attica / Athenian **
Plutarch 1.3 Boeotia / Boeotian **
Herodotus 1 Caria / Carian
Pindarus (Pindar) 1 Thebes / Boeotian
Parhenius of Nicaea 1
Aeschylus 0.5
Aristophanes 0.4
Caimachus 0.4
Cicero 0.3
* Highest probability - Macedonian
** From Ancient City States south of Mount Olympus where Modern
Greece is located today.
From the table above, we can see that the vast majority of works about
the so-called “Greek mythology” and the “Greek gods” were in fact
written by NON-GREEKS or by authors of unknown origin/ethnicity.
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If the authors who wrote about them were not “Greek” then perhaps
the legends of the so-called “Greek gods” originated somewhere in the
lands of modern Greece.
Unfortunately that is not true either. According to Herodotus, many of
the elements of the so-called “Greek myths” associated with the “Greek
gods” were borrowed from foreign religions, mainly from the Pelasgians
who in turn borrowed them from the Egyptians. (There are some scientists
today who believe the Pelasgians lived in the lower Balkans, including
Macedonia and were the ancestors of some of the Slavs.)
However let as not just take Herodotus’s word. Let’s examine the
mythological deities themselves starting with the supreme god Zeus.
According to the Grolier Encyclopedia, Zeus is a celestial deity of
Indo-European origin symbolically associated with the sky. Poseidon, the
elder brother of Zeus, is also a deity of Indo-European origin. Apollo, on
the other hand, is an Asian deity from the Asian shaman cults, imported
from Siberia.
The following is a list of deities and major mythical figures commonly
referred to as “Greek gods” and “Greek mythical figures” who are
believed to be of “non-Greek” origin;
Deity/Major Figure Origin Source
Rhigmus Thracian Carlos Parada
Diomedes Thracian Carlos Parada
Phineus Thracian Carlos Parada
Tereus Thracian Carlos Parada
Rhesus Thracian Carlos Parada
Alcon Thracian Carlos Parada
Memnon Ethiopian Carlos Parada
Alcyoneus Ethiopian Quintus Smyrnaeus
Alexipus Ethiopian Quintus Smyrnaeus
Clydon Ethiopian Quintus Smyrnaeus
Laomedon Ethiopian Quintus Smyrnaeus
Mmeneclus Ethiopian Quintus Smyrnaeus
Nychius Ethiopian Quintus Smyrnaeus
Thalius Ethiopian Quintus Smyrnaeus
Andromeda Ethiopian Carlos Parada
Cepheus Phoenician Carlos Parada
Europa Phoenician Carlos Parada
Pelops Phrygian Carlos Parada
Agenor Egyptian Carlos Parada
Belus Egyptian Carlos Parada
Midus Phrygian Carlos Parada
Opis Phrygian Carlos Parada
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Aura Phrygian Carlos Parada
Proteus Egyptian Carlos Parada
Egeria Italian Ovid
Hora Roman Ovid
Janus Roman Carlos Parada
Juturna Roman Carlos Parada
Penates Roman Carlos Parada
Tantalus Paphlagonia Carlos Parada
Orchamus Persia Carlos Parada
Pyramus Babylon Carlos Parada
Thisbe Babylon Carlos Parada
Dido Cartagenan Carlos Parada
Nicea Indian Carlos Parada
Phoenix Arabian Carlos Parada
Hypnos From the Black
Sea region
Carlos Parada
Muses (9) Macedonian Carlos Parada
Dionysus Macedonian
(Brygian)
Grolier Encyclopedia
For details on the above, see Donski [3]. From the table above, we can see
that a large number of deities and important mythical figures have
purposely or unwittingly been misrepresented. Clearly they are not of
“Greek origin”
And finally, perhaps the so-called “Greek gods” were “Greek”
because they were exclusively celebrated by the ancient people who lived
south of Mount Olympus where modern Greece is today.
That too, I am afraid is not true. The mythical gods, referred to as the
“Greek gods”, were common to most ancient Mediterranean nations and
cultures. They were as much universal to the ancient world as Christ and
Christianity is universal to our modern world.
THE TRUTH
The Ancient “Greek gods” were not Greek at all! In fact, referring to
them as “Greek gods” would be a myth in itself.
It is more appropriate, truthful and precise to call them Mediterranean
gods than it is to call them “Greek gods”. After all they were celebrated,
revered and feared by many more nations and cultures north, east and west
of Mount Olympus than they were south of Mount Olympus. And that is
the truth.

[George S.]

BIG Greek Lie # 5 - “Greece is an ethnically homogeneous
nation”
(To this day there are some Greeks who believe in the myth that they
are an ethnically pure race)
To Macedonians it is irrelevant what Greeks believe in as long as they
don’t interfere in Macedonian affairs. Unfortunately Greece’s selfportrayal
as an “ethnically homogeneous State” is not only interfering with
Macedonians, it is downright hostile to them.
“Greeks' contemporary self-image is built upon a series of myths. The
myth of continuity. The myth of the racial and cultural superiority of our
ancestors (and, thanks to continuity, our own). The myth of being special
The myth of racial and religious purity. The myth of the genius of the
Greek race.
The existence of these myths provokes certain predictable reactions.
Thus, my typical compatriot while proud to be Greek (95 percent,
according to polls) will abuse and censure his countrymen at the slightest
provocation. And this, naturally, because they fail to live up to the
expectations and the demands created by the myths.” (Nikos Dimou) [5]
Greece, over the years, has taken extraordinary measures to erase what
is real in favour of something artificially manufactured. “Greek-ness” or
“Hellenism”, as the Greeks like to call it, is a 19th century invention
modeled after a culture and a race of people that ceased to exist more than
two millennia ago. Greece has destroyed the real cultures, traditions and
languages of its indigenous people living on its soil in favour of this
artificial creation it calls Hellenism. Worse, today Greece not only denies
the existence of its non-Greek roots but it insists that no indigenous races
such as Albanians, Macedonians, Vlahs, Turks, Roma, etc. ever existed in
Greece. Greece has not only forsaken its indigenous cultures but is
consistently punishing all those who want to return to them.
The so-called “Greek Nationality” (Ethos) was artificially created
during the 19th century by the Great Powers in order to break up the
Ottoman Empire and to stop the expansion of Pan Slavism. Britain’s fear
of Russia entering Mediterranean waters and contaminating its “backyard
garden” motivated British officials to do whatever was necessary to stop
the “Slav proliferation”.
After Greece was created it needed people “Greeks” to maintain and
enlarge itself. These people came from the territories it occupied during its
period of expansion.
One need only ask, “How come there are Macedonians, Albanians,
Vlahs, Turks, Roma, etc. living in the Republic of Macedonia and none of
these ethnicities live in Greek occupied Macedonia?”
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It is well known that these ethnicities existed in all of Macedonia
during Ottoman rule before geographic/ethnographic Macedonia was
occupied and partitioned in 1912/1913.
In fact there are Greek statistics compiled prior to 1912 that attest to
these facts. Yet in 1928 Greece declared itself “ethnically pure” with only
“pure Greeks” living in Greece.
Naturally the burning question is “what happened to the other
ethnicities that lived in Macedonia after it was occupied by Greece in
1912?” Did they simply vanish?
Of course they did not! They were Hellenized! They were “made” into
Greeks!
In her infatuation with the glory of her “false” past, Greece became
ashamed of her “real self” and buried her true present. Greece did not want
a bunch of ignorant Slavs, Albanians, Vlahs, Turks, Roma, etc. for
citizens. It preferred the “mythical” types like Pericles, Leonidas and
Temistocles or descendants thereof. This was all done with encouragement
from her benefactors, the Great Powers. In fact, outside of some Greeks
who have been labeled traitors [5], no one questioned Greece’s motives for
doing this.
Macedonians have no problem with Greeks calling themselves
whatever they want as long as they do not interfere in their affairs.
Macedonians would like to be known for who and what they really are,
Macedonians. The crux of the problem unfortunately is that while the
Greeks continue to believe in their mythical past, they interfere with
reality. Falsely believing that they are all Greeks, descendants from an
ancient people, they refuse to acknowledge the reality that Macedonians
do exist and live on their territory. Further, to prevent the discovery of
their falsehood, they even interfere in the affairs of the Republic of
Macedonia, an independent and Sovereign State.
THE TRUTH
The proof that Greece is neither “homogeneous” nor has continuity
from the ancient past is not difficult to explain. Just take a look at Greece’s
population makeup from 1829 to 1928 and in it you will find Albanians,
Vlahs, Turks, Macedonians and Roma.
Period Activity Number of People
1829 Greece created for the first time
(mostly Arvanites) Less then 1,000,000
1830 – 1911 Epirus and Thessaly Annexed
(Vlahs and Albanians) 1,600,000
1912 – 1913 51% of ethnographic Macedonia Annexed
(Macedonians) 2,500,000
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1920 – 1928 Importation of Christian Turks
from Asia Minor (Turks) 1,100,000

In 1928 Greece registered 6,200,000 people after which it declared
itself homogenous consisting of 100% pure Greeks with a very small
Muslim but ethnically Greek population.
In the 1920’s Greece imported 1.1 million Christian Turks from Asia
Minor, claiming that they were descendants of the “Ancient Greeks”. At
the time, not one of them spoke Greek or identified with the Greeks. How
could they have? A “Greek Nation” never existed before 1829!

[George S.]

BIG Greek Lie # 6 - “Greeks are a superior race”
(Some Greeks, among themselves, believe they are a superior race)
Greek claims to superiority are not something that Greeks tout to
outsiders but it is frequently discussed among Greeks in private company.
I don’t know if it is a genuine belief but some Greeks do believe that they
have given the world everything, from philosophy to science to
mathematics to democracy, and that, they believe, makes them superior.
Even if modern Greeks are, in a small and remote way, descendants of
the ancient people who lived in the ancient City States, which I doubt they
are, some credit is due to them. Unfortunately not all of what was
attributed to the ancient City States is accurate. Archeology and science
have proven that not all of the so-called “Greek contributions” are actually
“Greek”. This however has not stopped modern Greeks from making
claims.
We now know that the atom was discussed in India one millennium
before there ever were ancient City States. Greeks unfortunately continue
to claim it as their own invention.
Even though the Egyptians were using geometry for millennia, to
identify their plots of land on the Nile flood plains after the winter floods,
the Greeks continue to claim that they invented it.
Was the alphabet a Greek invention? Greeks claim it was! But can
they explain the etymology of the words “alpha”, “vita”, “ghamma”,
“thelta” etc,?
I think not! The Greek alphabet is actually not Greek at all, it is
Phoenician! The Phoenicians were not Greek, they were Phoenician!
If not the alphabet then democracy must have been invented by the
Greeks for sure!
I think not!
Democracy, in the true sense of the word, as it is practiced today was
also practiced by the Phoenicians many years before it was adopted by
Athens. Not all ancient City States were democracies! Sparta was not a
democracy.
What exactly do we mean by “democracy” and how does it relate to
the type of “democracy” practiced in Athens during its heydays?
According to Webster, democracy is “majority rule; the principle of
equality of rights, opportunity, and treatment, or the practice of this
principle; the common people, esp. as the wielders of political power”.
Athens, on the other hand, was ruled by a very small minority of
wealthy white men. These men were not only rulers, they were also slave
owners. Slaves, who comprised about sixty-percent of the Athenian
population, were neither Athenian citizens nor did they have any political
rights. In fact these people were bought and sold in the market like
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commodities. Further, women, who made up about half of the ancient
Athenian population, did not have any rights at all, not even to call
themselves human.
So if we compare Webster’s definition of democracy to that practiced
in ancient Athens we find that they don’t compare at all!
In reality the type of so-called democracy practiced by the ancient
Athenians was worse than our 19th century Fascism and Nazism, the type
of rule popular with white racist regimes. The ancients may have called it
democracy but lets not confuse it with our modern democracy which is
more like the original democracy practiced by the Phoenicians.
Two and half millennia later Greeks keep on inventing things like
Greek coffee, Greek salad and Greek pizza and keep on giving to the
world without asking anything in return.
So how are Greeks superior to the rest of us?
One thing they are proving to be is “superior liars”!
THE TRUTH
Modern Greeks, along with their Roman-derived benefactors, have not
only falsified “ancient history”, they have robbed other civilizations of
their contribution to the world. Clearly the contributions of say the
Phoenician and Egyptian civilizations, which were far superior
civilizations to that of ancient Athens, are totally ignored and long
forgotten. Worse, their contributions have now been expropriated (stolen)
by the Greeks and claimed to be Greek.
Two and a half millennia later Greeks continue to expropriate (steal)
other people’s ideas and inventions and shamelessly call them their own!
I have already mentioned the atom and geometry, but Greek coffee?
Clearly everyone knows “Greek coffee” is actually Turkish coffee.
As for “Greek salad”, that too is another “Greek invention”. What is
shameful about the “Greek salad”, apart from the fact that it was not
invented by Greeks, is that Greek restaurant owners, boasting to their
western tourist customers claim it to be “an ancient recipe passed on to
them from the time of the ancient City States”.
Thus far the only thing that Greeks have proven is that they are
“superior liars”. Other than that Greeks are no better, no worse and no
different than the rest of us. If I may add my own opinion, I believe as a
people we are all the same, only our attitudes towards one another differ
and that is mainly due to “foreign influence” and ignorance of the truth.
All modern Balkan nations are made from the same stock (raw material) of
people. We lived borderless for over two and a half millennia. You figure
out the rest.

[George S.]

BIG Greek Lie # 15 - “Greeks are Hellenes”
(Modern Greeks believe they are Hellenes)
According to the Columbia Encyclopedia, Hellenism is “the culture,
ideals, and pattern of life of ancient Greece in classical times. It usually
means primarily the culture of ATHENS and the related cities in the Age
of Pericles [495-429 BC]. The term is also applied to the ideals of later
writers and thinkers who draw their inspiration from ancient Greece.
Frequently it is contrasted with Hebraism – Hellenism then meaning pagan
joy, freedom, and love of life as contrasted with the austere morality and
monotheism of the Old Testament. The Hellenic period came to an end
with the conquest of Alexander the Great in the 4th century BC. It was
succeeded by the Hellenistic civilization.” [9]
If you ask a Modern Greek today to identify his or her “ethnicity” they
will say they are “Greek”. If you ask them what is that in “Greek”? They
will say “Ellinas” or “Ellinida”. There is no word for “Greek” in the Greek
vocabulary. If there is (Graekos) it is rarely used and unknown to most
Greeks.
According to most modern Greeks today, “Greek” and “Ellines” are
synonymous. In other words a “Hellene is a native of either ancient or
modern Greece; a Greek”.
If I am to understand this correctly “a Hellene is a person who shares
the culture, ideals, and pattern of life of ancient Greece in classical times”
and “who is a native of either ancient or modern Greece”. In other words,
again if I understand this correctly, any person of any ethnicity who is
native to either ancient or modern Greece and who shares the culture,
ideals and pattern of life of ancient Greece in classical times qualifies to be
a Hellene.
Can a person be a Hellene and something else at the same time?
According to Modern Greek standards, NO! One cannot be a Hellene and
a Turk at the same time; according to some Greeks, why would they want
to? “A Hellene is a superior being!” Also, according to some Greeks, “to
be a Hellene one must be a descendant of the ancient Hellenes”.
Obviously there are people today who call themselves “Hellenes” or
more accurately, “Ellines”. My question here is, “Who are these people
and how did they become the Hellenes?”
Modern Greeks today consider themselves to be the inheritors of the
ancient Greek and Byzantine civilizations and cultures. Historically, the
self-perception of the Greeks and the definition of Greekness have varied,
but with the emergence and consolidation of the nation-state, from the late
18th century, Greekness was redefined along the lines of what some
people call romantic nationalism.
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Romantic nationalism is the form of nationalism in which the state
derives its political legitimacy as an organic consequence of the unity of
those it governs. This includes, depending on the particular manner of
practice, the language, race, culture, religion and customs of the "nation"
in its primal sense of those who were "born" within its culture. This form
of nationalism arose in reaction to dynastic or imperial hegemony, which
assessed the legitimacy of the state from the "top down", emanating from a
monarch or other authority, which justified its existence. Such downwardradiating
power might ultimately derive from God.
Greece accepts all those who agree with this principle and rejects those
who disagree.
So what exactly is this principle and what are the criteria for belonging
to it? Or, what is this club called “Hellas” and how does one sign up to
join it?
Is it ethnicity? Obviously not! Modern Greece is made up of Slav
speakers, Albanians, Vlachs, Turks, Christian Turks, Roma, etc.
Is it the Christian Orthodox Religion? Obviously not, even though
most conservative Greeks like it to be! The so-called ancient Hellenes
were Pagan.

So what exactly is a “Hellene” then in modern terms?
A Modern Hellene is a person who has rejected his or her real
ethnicity, forsaken his or her real culture for the sake of belonging to a
“CLUB”.
A Modern Hellene or Modern Greek, since Hellene and Greek are
synonymous, has abandoned reality and the truth for the sake of living an
Idea.
When Greece was coming together as a country for the first time in the
early 1800’s, ethnically it could not hold itself together because of the
various ethnicities living together and pulling in different directions. It is
well known and every Greek should know that the majority of their
national heroes of the “Greek uprising” against the Turks were not Greeks.
They were Albanians (Arvanites), Vlachs and Slav Speakers (mostly
Macedonians).
Even though there were many roads Greece could have taken during its
national awakening it chose the road to “Hellenism”. Unfortunately,
appealing as it might have been to the Greek State it was destructive and
devastating to the indigenous people of the region who are reeling from it
to this day.
Greece wiped out half a dozen natural cultures and vibrant languages
for the sake of resurrecting something that had died two thousand five
hundred years ago so that it could re-live the old glory days and satisfy the
imperial ambitions of the Great Powers of the day.
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THE TRUTH
The truth is “there are no Hellenes living today”, and as per the
Columbia Encyclopedia definition, they died, came to an end with the
conquest of Alexander the Great in the 4th century BC.
You Greeks can all pretend to be “Hellenes” but the only ones you’re
fooling are yourselves, which is fine by me. Unfortunately when you claim
that the Macedonians, a real, vibrant living people don’t exist, I take
offense to that.
When you adamantly insist that Macedonia belongs to Greece, a group
of people who fabricated their own identity, and not to the real
Macedonians, I take offence to that.
When Macedonians are murdered, sent to prison, exiled from their
homes and lands, forbidden to speak their mother tongue, not being
recognized as people in their native lands, for the sake of propagating a
Greek lie, I take offence to that.
When Macedonian names and toponyms are erased, Macedonian
Bibles and tombstones eradicated, and peoples’ identities stripped from
them for the sake of creating “Hellenes” an identity that died many eons
ago, I take offense to that too.
So please take a good look at your creation and tell me that
“Hellenism” is not another BIG Greek lie!

[Amphipolis]

The six Big Greek lies? How come you didn't open 6 new threads? And who is this great author who thinks Koine existed at the days of Alexander the Great? In his days Macedonia's official language was a typical Attic.

[George S.]

Rubbbish it wasn't the 1829 greek imposed language.You should be ashamed of youreself calling yourself a greek all you are is a FAKE.HAHA HA

[George S.]

There is a reason that i pulled out the big greek lies that you are all FAKES ,liers theaves etc you just need to be REMINDED of who you really are.Also you are a fake on this forum.Face it your a fake just another nazi puppet for your govt.

[makedonche]

The six Big Greek lies? How come you didn't open 6 new threads? And who is this great author who thinks Koine existed at the days of Alexander the Great? In his days Macedonia's official language was a typical Attic.

Your evidence for this is......?????

[George S.]

Amphipolis it wasn't and its not as greek as you think it is.The fact is its an answer to the thread greeks aren't as greek as you would beleive they have lied about their greekness.You have to accept that your side is lying to you its as simple as that.

[George S.]

Macedonian language 16th century (Macedonian lexicon documents)

https://youtu.be/5Dr0opFd1ZI

This video of you tube proves that macedonian and greek were NOT one of the same.What great shame as the greeks invented their brand of propaganda after the balkan wars 2012.Funny that.All their claims of hellenism,myths and legends its all make beleive and is full of self delusion and crap and bs like that.They are brainwashed to beleive macedonians don't exist.Even though we are living examples.But they are in denial and get paranoid so easily.

[Dejan]

The six Big Greek lies? How come you didn't open 6 new threads? And who is this great author who thinks Koine existed at the days of Alexander the Great? In his days Macedonia's official language was a typical Attic.

Another greek assumption?

[Risto the Great]

In his days Macedonia's official language was a typical Attic.

Wow, you know more than educated historians! Can I trouble you to prove this statement please?

[Amphipolis]

The term "Common (Koine) Greek" that was already formed in Antiquity refers to a language formed during the post-Alexander era. Wikipedia says the language started forming among the troops of Alexander the Great. No one can be definite about it, but the first major document of Koine is the Greek translation of Bible which was made in Alexandria around 60-80 years after Alexander's death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koine_Greek

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint

So what was the Greek language that the Macedonian Court was using and educated in? Well, it is usually called Classic Greek or Attic and is basically the language of almost all Greek Classic Literature. Is it dramatically different than Common Greek? I can tell you practically. Being a Greek with no special education in literature (I was taught Ancient Greek for two years in school) I wouldn’t bet on recognizing a document. Generally, Koine should be easier and closer to Modern Greek but this is a huge generalization.

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