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  • Stojacanec
    Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 809

    Former Yugoslavia bears no relevance today Benito only a small minute period of time in history. You need to remove yourself from that era.

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    • Benito
      Junior Member
      • May 2015
      • 68

      Originally posted by Stojacanec View Post
      Former Yugoslavia bears no relevance today Benito only a small minute period of time in history. You need to remove yourself from that era.
      I know. I more speak about the Balkan in general who will face this problem.

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      • Philosopher
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 1003

        Originally posted by Benito View Post
        People in former Yugoslavia... What about Serbians, Croatians, Macedonians, Slovenians? Do you don't agree that this people are all under thread by the extremists from Albania? If not, why not? Is this a serious question anyway?
        Croatia? Slovenia? In what sense? And what about Greece?

        How do you define Yugoslavia? Bulgarians, for example, are considered South Slavs, but were never part of Yugoslavia. Also, Yugoslavia was never an ethnic identifier, but a geographical one, and largely based on outdated information pertaining to Balkan people.

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        • Benito
          Junior Member
          • May 2015
          • 68

          Originally posted by Philosopher View Post
          Croatia? Slovenia? In what sense? And what about Greece?

          How do you define Yugoslavia? Bulgarians, for example, are considered South Slavs, but were never part of Yugoslavia. Also, Yugoslavia was never an ethnic identifier, but a geographical one, and largely based on outdated information pertaining to Balkan people.
          What i try to say is that the former Yugoslavian countries (geographic) and aswell Greece, Bulgaria will face this problems with terrorism.

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          • George S.
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 10116

            As a matter of fact Greece has a great track record in helping terrorists.They might be just as complacent.Terrorists have a way of infiltrating countries no matter what.Do you realise Greece or Bulgaria would like to see Macedonia destabilised so that they could be taken over.The terrorists are doing their job nicely.Greece has already stated in the 2001 war that if any fighting got even close to their borders they would step in on Macedonian territory.
            Last edited by George S.; 05-28-2015, 01:43 PM.
            "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
            GOTSE DELCEV

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            • iceman
              Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 132

              Dnevnik: OSCE Knew of Kumanovo Attack, Had Direct Contact with Terror Leader

              Dnevnik: OSCE Knew of Kumanovo Attack, Had Direct Contact with Terror Leader
              Tuesday, 09 June 2015


              The OSCE mission (Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe) in Skopje knew Kosovo terrorists were preparing an attack on the police station in Goshince three weeks prior it happened, however did not inform the Macedonian security services. That OSCE was fully aware of the armed group shows the report it issued in an internal meeting 24 hours after the Goshince incident, reports Skopje daily "Dnevnik". Even though OSCE's primary goal of existence is monitoring and reporting on the security situation in the country, its hiding of information from Macedonian authorities is nothing short of scandalous, reports Dnevnik.
              OSCE's offices in Skopje or in Vienna has not responded to any questions from Dnevnik journalists.

              - OSCE has detailed reports on terrorirsts movement in the area of ​​Lipkovo. According to them, the attack at the Goshince checkpoint is not unexpected. Their report contained information from the local population in Lipkovo, but also from representatives of DUI in the Lipkovo municipality who discussed the movements with OSCE field officers in the past three weeks before the incident. Locals to the OSCE field officers have reported that in the region of Lipkovo, people posing as KLA sought logistical and other support for stationing more armed groups in the area - a senior diplomat told "Dnevnik" quotes OSCE reports.

              This information, according to security sources, was not shared with Macedonian civil authority, Ministry of Interior or any other security structures.

              The OSCE report was not classified as "secret", yet none of the diplomatic core and OSCE representatives shared it publicly. The report further said that the OSCE has indications that the armed group may still be located in the area. The representative of the Greek embassy, ​​however, according to the diplomatic source raised the issue of the similarities to the (externally) orchestrated events in 2001.

              OSCE on Direct Line with Terrorists in Kumanovo

              It is indicative that several days before the incident, on April 17th, several ambassadors of OSCE (Vienna, US, EU, UK, Turkey and Denmark) were in Skopje for meetings with Macedonian government and opposition representatives, but they come unannounced as their visit was neither scheduled nor officially approved.

              In a separate OSCE report that came into the hands of "Dnevnik", it stated the Kosovo terrorist group had a direct phone line with OSCE representatives. OSCE informed the Macedonian Ministry of Interior they were in contact with "commander" Gzim, allegedly to calm the situation down.

              "At 11:30, an individual who identified himself as Commander Gzim, contacted the mission with a request for assistance to facilitate the ceasefire," the report said.

              Our information shows that Commander Gzim was actually commander Maliesheva whose real name is Muhammad Krasnikji. Even though the contact was made to allegedly calm the situation, it opens the dilemma of how terrorists have direct contact with the OSCE Mission?

              OSCE has no Comment

              Dnevnik has contacted OSCE over a dozen times, with questions on their knowledge of the Kosovo terrorist group. Why does a terrorirst group have a direct line of communications with OSCE? Why is OSCE not sharing vital security information with authorities of a country it is based in? Did OSCE take any steps to mitigate the risk after knowing the terrorist group planned to attack? These and other questions the OSCE Mission has refused to answer.

              Clues to OSCE's mystery given by Dacic and Lavrov

              Just as in other countries, Serbia's PM warned OSCE's 'early warning system' failed, either on accident, or on purpose, depending who controls the "mission".
              Lavrov on the other hand in a speech at the Russian Duma spoke of an illegal visit to Skopje by OSCE representatives without an official mandate who met with Government officials and made demands and requests.

              OSCE has no Plans to Leave, Despite being Asked to Leave - Twice

              OSCE opened its Office in Skopje in September 1992. To this day has constantly continued its mission, constantly finding reasons for it, although it was originally planned to stay only during the Yugoslav civil war in the early 1990's. Its existence in Macedonia was particularly called into question during the past ten years. OSCE appears to seek out conflict to extend its mandate. Sources in the OSCE office in Skopje claim that the Kumanovo incident will be used to extend its mandate for at least three more years. OSCE employs 140 people in Skopje, hundred local and fourty foreigners. Has an annual budget of 6,257,200 euros. //Gorazd Velkovski

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              • Risto the Great
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 15658

                Sounds scandalous, but this is a Macedonian newspaper. We can't be sure of anything.
                Risto the Great
                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                • Volokin
                  Member
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 278

                  Kumanovo bloodshed: Balkans tension or internal political intrigue?

                  "There is more and more evidence that somehow Macedonian secret services, or elements from those secret services were involved in negotiating, even in some kind of arranging the whole thing to happen"

                  The spectre of inter-ethnic violence has been cast over the Balkans again following a recent clash between police and Albanian militants in the north of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. At least 10 men, some of them Kosovo Liberation Army veterans, were killed when police launched raids in the town of Kumanovo, close to the border with Kosovo. Eight police officers also died in the May 9 operation.

                  Simmering tensions between FYROM’s minority Albanian and and majority non-Albanian communities were cited as the cause. The country’s Albanians have long complained of being treated as second class citizens.

                  But many Macedonians believe the real cause of the worst incident of bloodshed in 14 years in the region has more to do with political intrigue than inter-communal strife. They believe their scandal-hit government may have had a hand in provoking the tragic event. Reporter Valerie travelled to the region to find out more.

                  Watch the video to see her report in full.
                  The spectre of inter-ethnic violence has been cast over the Balkans again following a recent clash between police and Albanian militants in the north #UnreportedEurope


                  This report is worthy of a watch.

                  Although we have become accustomed to Albanians using "disrespected rights" as a means of justification for violent acts, this is still interesting to hear them trying to do it on camera.

                  Gotta love "political analyst" Sasho Ordanoski thinking it's all a bloody conspiracy theory with the government and the secret service and the terrorists all in on the plan.

                  ------

                  Also, the self-proclaimed "most-watched news channel in Europe" going out of their way to call Macedonia, FYROM and a Slavic people.

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                  • VMRO
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 1462

                    That Saso Ordanoski mentions that there is evidence that the Macedonian secret service had a hand in this... is anyone aware of any sources because i cannot recall any.
                    Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

                    Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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                    • Gocka
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 2306

                      Anyone who thinks that a person would be willing to die, just to help a political ally make a scene is frankly a waist of space. Would any of us die just to help a buddy look good? Not to mention the whole thing only put more pressure on Gruevski.

                      What about the other couple dozen times Albanians have done something similar? Did the secret services plan them out too. Or I guess for the last 40 years in Kosovo too.

                      I just figured out a way for Macedonia to be the number one economy in the world. They can all become Hollywood writers, in fact screw California bring it all to Macedonia, we have everything you need, bullshiters, egomaniacs, lots of vain and superficial people, we can come up with shit that will blow your mind.

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                      • Risto the Great
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 15658

                        Hollydonia ?
                        Risto the Great
                        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                        Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                        • George S.
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 10116

                          They can become bollydonia like in india,So much bs flying around no one knows whats going on.There is talk that gruevski's efforts have been to stay in power otherwise he would be in the klink with the key thrown away.Only happens in macedonia until it reaches the absurd bottom of the barrel stuff,
                          "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                          GOTSE DELCEV

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                          • Stojacanec
                            Member
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 809

                            If they're acting, they should remember to use fake bullets!

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                            • George S.
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 10116

                              Dnevnik: OSCE Knew of Kumanovo Attack, Had Direct Contact with Terror Leader

                              Dnevnik: OSCE Knew of Kumanovo Attack, Had Direct Contact with Terror Leader
                              Tuesday, 09 June 2015

                              The OSCE mission (Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe) in Skopje knew Kosovo terrorists were preparing an attack on the police station in Goshince three weeks prior it happened, however did not inform the Macedonian security services. That OSCE was fully aware of the armed group shows the report it issued in an internal meeting 24 hours after the Goshince incident, reports Skopje daily "Dnevnik". Even though OSCE's primary goal of existence is monitoring and reporting on the security situation in the country, its hiding of information from Macedonian authorities is nothing short of scandalous, reports Dnevnik.
                              OSCE's offices in Skopje or in Vienna has not responded to any questions from Dnevnik journalists.

                              - OSCE has detailed reports on terrorist movement in the area of Lipkovo. According to them, the attack at the Goshince checkpoint is not unexpected. Their report contained information from the local population in Lipkovo, but also from representatives of DUI in the Lipkovo municipality who discussed the movements with OSCE field officers in the past three weeks before the incident. Locals to the OSCE field officers have reported that in the region of Lipkovo, people posing as KLA sought logistical and other support for stationing more armed groups in the area - a senior diplomat told "Dnevnik" quotes OSCE reports.

                              This information, according to security sources, was not shared with Macedonian civil authority, Ministry of Interior or any other security structures.

                              The OSCE report was not classified as "secret", yet none of the diplomatic core and OSCE representatives shared it publicly. The report further said that the OSCE has indications that the armed group may still be located in the area. The representative of the Greek embassy, ​​however, according to the diplomatic source raised the issue of the similarities to the (externally) orchestrated events in 2001.

                              OSCE on Direct Line with Terrorists in Kumanovo

                              It is indicative that several days before the incident, on April 17th, several ambassadors of OSCE (Vienna, US, EU, UK, Turkey and Denmark) were in Skopje for meetings with Macedonian government and opposition representatives, but they come unannounced as their visit was neither scheduled nor officially approved.

                              In a separate OSCE report that came into the hands of "Dnevnik", it stated the Kosovo terrorist group had a direct phone line with OSCE representatives. OSCE informed the Macedonian Ministry of Interior they were in contact with "commander" Gzim, allegedly to calm the situation down.

                              "At 11:30, an individual who identified himself as Commander Gzim, contacted the mission with a request for assistance to facilitate the ceasefire," the report said.

                              Our information shows that Commander Gzim was actually commander Maliesheva whose real name is Muhammad Krasnikji. Even though the contact was made to allegedly calm the situation, it opens the dilemma of how terrorists have direct contact with the OSCE Mission?

                              OSCE has no Comment

                              Dnevnik has contacted OSCE over a dozen times, with questions on their knowledge of the Kosovo terrorist group. Why does a terrorirst group have a direct line of communications with OSCE? Why is OSCE not sharing vital security information with authorities of a country it is based in? Did OSCE take any steps to mitigate the risk after knowing the terrorist group planned to attack? These and other questions the OSCE Mission has refused to answer.

                              Clues to OSCE's mystery given by Dacic and Lavrov

                              Just as in other countries, Serbia's PM warned OSCE's 'early warning system' failed, either on accident, or on purpose, depending who controls the "mission".
                              Lavrov on the other hand in a speech at the Russian Duma spoke of an illegal visit to Skopje by OSCE representatives without an official mandate who met with Government officials and made demands and requests.

                              OSCE has no Plans to Leave, Despite being Asked to Leave - Twice

                              OSCE opened its Office in Skopje in September 1992. To this day has constantly continued its mission, constantly finding reasons for it, although it was originally planned to stay only during the Yugoslav civil war in the early 1990's. Its existence in Macedonia was particularly called into question during the past ten years. OSCE appears to seek out conflict to extend its mandate. Sources in the OSCE office in Skopje claim that the Kumanovo incident will be used to extend its mandate for at least three more years. OSCE employs 140 people in Skopje, hundred local and fourty foreigners. Has an annual budget of 6,257,200 euros. //Gorazd Velkovski
                              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                              GOTSE DELCEV

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                              • DraganOfStip
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 1253

                                The escaped terrorist was arrested today in Kosovo.Whether he'll be extradited to Macedonia to answer for his actions in Kumanovo remains to be seen.

                                Канал 5 телевизија како една од водечките телевизиски куќи во Македонија, од 1998 година на малите екрани до гледање онлајн денес, известува за најновите вести од Македонија, регионот и светот.
                                ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
                                ― George Orwell

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