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Originally posted by Bill77
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Opposition?, it is the complete lack of any coherent and functioning opposition over the course of 9 years that allowed the space for such a dictatorship to eventuate.“There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio -
This is a large part of the problem, in that, the relevant political parties do not have the same ideology, where , they work together, and agree on the same point, that, what is in the best interests for the people, the Macedonian nation.Originally posted by Tomche Makedonche View Post
And this all began from 1991 , Independence.
Claiming Independence and sovereignty, one would think, it would stand to reason, that a strong constitution, transparent legal system, and an equitable and transparent process is put in place with governance.
It is no longer a case of lesser of 2 evils, both parties have underminded national sovereignty and independence with the ongoing farce that they are working in the best interests, of the people, voted in for the people , by the people.
Regrdless this ridiculous "membership" base and the bastardisation of blackmail of false promises with jobs, should have from the outset, looked as working together, in Macedonia's interests
No.
Did not happen
Then 2001 came along and Macedonia signed its sovereignty over to NATO to dictate , and begging for EU to do the same, with the implementation of the 2 most treasonous "agreements" that have ever been bestowed upon what is supposed to be a sovereign nation
Ohrid Framework Agreement - and please, do have a good look at the excellent analysis Vangelovski has done on this on previous threads
Interim Accord - because capitulation for a buck , changing flags and names is just so democratically right . NOT.
Regardless of who did the wire tapping, who instigated it, if there was cohesiveness, then the parties would conduct investigations into these matters, because, that is what a sovereign nation does !
And no one, be it EU, NATO< yankee doody, has the fckn right to tell a sovereign nation to go softly softly and capitulate to acts of terrorism on its soil. Hypocrites
Macedonia is up shit creek, only way Macedonia can save itself is for each political party to wake the fuck up, and realise what is at stake here, and those external forces seeking to annihlate and piecemeal the country. Unite. Have your dummy spits at each other, but be transparent, and work together to bring some sort of semblance of a free nation to the people"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse DelchevComment
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US ambassador Macedonia speech
( try not to choke to death on the "whisteblower protection " insistence - ie, look at Snowden, Manning, Assange)"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse DelchevComment
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TV Alsat-M has published a list with the names of 28 out of 30 arrested terrorists,which they obtained unofficially from the MOI.
Note that the fifth leader of the group Mirsad Ndrecaj a.k.a. commandant NATO is not yet confirmed among the arrested or the killed.
Also note that Fadil Fejzulahu,who had been reported as killed in action is only wounded ,but also in custody.
Last edited by DraganOfStip; 05-12-2015, 03:34 AM.”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
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At least some news outlets are calling them for what they are; terrorists.
Great article that makes some very decent points. I think the article that predicted a lot of what is happening was also a Sputnik column.Comment
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Interesting article,but with a lot of bias to the regime in power.Originally posted by EgejskaMakedonia View Post
They are critical to Zaev for the scumbag that he is but praise Grujo as the "democratically elected prime minister" who's fending off a "coupe d'etat" attempt.
Nowhere in the article in the domestic category are mentioned things like corruption and the bugging scandal which casts a shadow of doubt in the neutrality of the author.
But then again,Grujo wants to go on with the stream and the article IS from a Russian site,so it's understandable why.”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
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A Wikipedia article about the event has appeared now as well:
”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
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Bingo. He became a dictator not because he tried to, it happened because SDSM are hellbent on decimating their party one idiotic move after the other. Also throw in the general Macedonian public has been total apathetic for 10 years.
Originally posted by Tomche Makedonche View PostComment
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I agree with you. It's just refreshing to see a different international perspective. I don't particular like the political issues (both DPMNE and SDSM) being automatically linked with the terrorist attack, when there is little evidence one way or the other at this stage. But it's rather unavoidable in the context of everything. I guess it's a matter of balancing both media extremities to gain an overall picture on the issue.Originally posted by DraganOfStip View PostComment
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During interrogation the terrorists revealed the place where the stolen weapons from the Goshince outpost was stashed.The Ministry Of Interior provided a video footage:
Last edited by DraganOfStip; 05-12-2015, 08:21 AM.”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
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Albanian writer on Fox News asking the US to intervene in Macedonia...
Macedonia: US must intervene in growing crisis or suffer the dangerous consequences
By Gjovalin Shkurtaj Published May 12, 2015 FoxNews.com
In her recent book, "The Unraveling: High Hopes and Missed Opportunities in Iraq" (PublicAffairs 2015) Emma Sky, former political adviser to General Ray Odierno the top U.S. military commander in Iraq, quotes Vice President Joe Biden about the Obama administration's intentions to withdraw from the region. According to Sky, Biden declared, “ Look. I know these people. My grandfather was Irish and hated the British. It’s like in the Balkans. They all grow up hating each other.”
Whether that analogy is true of Iraq or not, Biden was right about one thing: hate runs deep in the Balkans, and the latest news from Macedonia offers more ominous proof.
Some 14 years after the signing of the Ohrid peace deal that signaled a truce between warring Macedonians and the country’s Albanian minority, Macedonia is quickly spiraling into a deep political crisis that could lead to renewed ethnic conflict in the region. The crisis could spread rapidly into the neighboring countries of Serbia, Kosovo, Albania and Bulgaria, with devastating consequences for the entire region. Tens of billion of dollars that were invested to ensure stability and the rule of law in the Balkans, along with countless lives, would then go up in smoke.
The United States could have much more to loose than it stands to gain from continuing its disengagement in the Balkans.
In 2001, the Ohrid agreement ended a sputtering ethnic war with the promise that the Macedonian majority would provide more rights for the Albanian minority, which make up almost one third of the Macedonia’s population of 2 million people. Most of those promises have yet to be implemented.
Despite billions of dollars in aid for economic, good governance and development programs, unemployment in Macedonia remains high, and is even higher among the minority Albanian population. Many Albanians feel forced to leave their ancestral homeland and emigrate in the hope finding a brighter future.
As a result, ethnic extremism is also on the rise. At least 22 people, including eight police, have died in the past few days, and numerous arrests, primarily of ethnic Albanians, have been made. The Macedonian government is claiming to have “wiped out” a group of ethnic Albanian insurgents from neighboring Kosovo.
But the violence could soon spread further. The head of the opposition Social Democratic Party, Zoran Zaev, claims that the latest events were provoked and manipulated by Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski to divert attention away from alleged illicit wire-taping and corruption scandals that have embroiled his government.
This latest crisis again puts to the test the European Union’s leadership and capacity to maintain peace and stability in the Balkans. So far top E.U., NATO and US diplomats are calling for calm and asking the government to fully investigate the latest events that lead to 22 deaths. The results so far are not hopeful.
This reinforces the belief of many people in Macedonia that the United States of America is the only country in the world that can guarantee peace and stability in our region. Yet in the past 6 years, U.S. foreign policy priorities have shifted, and the country's involvement in the Balkans and former-Soviet republics has diminished.
This has left plenty of room for China and most importantly Russia to play a far more dominant role in the “prosperity” of our region—as we have all witnessed recently in Ukraine.
With a continued bleak economic outlook and a deep dependence on Russian energy supplies, Europe is slowly giving in to Vladimir Putin’s hegemony. Any instability in the region could justify Russian intervention to “defend” its historical ally in the Balkans, Serbia.
The rising winds of nationalism and intolerance could quickly turn into violence. If that happens it could eventually require a costly military involvement by the U.S.
The sensible and cost effective thing to do instead is to become involved now. The United States could have much more to loose than it stands to gain from continuing its disengagement in the Balkans.
The State Department needs to add a few more stops to John Kerry’s extensive globetrotting agenda. The Obama administration needs to make sure he visits our region soon to pressure all sides to tone down their destructive rhetoric.
The Secretary of State would find allies in the governments of Albania and Kosovo both of whom have expressed readiness to help de-escalate the situation. We can only hope that the Macedonian authorities prove willing as well.
But to get to there we need the determination and help of the United States. Let's hope it comes soon.
Gjovalin Shkurtaj is a member of the National Academy of Science of Albania. Join him on Facebook and follow him on Twitter.Comment
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The terrorists have had a field day in macedonia if that's not destabilising it i don't know what is.Once more the authorities are just too slow to act.Those wishing some kind of help may wish another 2001 fiasco like another agreement to appease the terrorists.What needs to be done is a direct approach for authorities to act quickly not allowing the terrorists to regroup."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
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Macedonia: 'War' is not over, armed group says
12 May 2015
Skopje, dtt-net.com – Attacks on Macedonia’s state structures are not over, despite the defeat with 30 men arrested and 14 killed during weekend's clashes with Macedonian police, the Albanian armed group said today in a new statement.Comment
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Macedonia: Watch state security fight street battle with gunmen
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