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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13675

    Kevin Rudd Prime Minister Again



    Labor leadership live: Kevin Rudd returns, Julia Gillard loses support of partyroom

    KEVIN Rudd has become Australia's new Prime Minister after winning the Labor leadership ballot, three years after he lost it to Julia Gillard. He won the ballot 57- 45 votes and it is understood he will call an August election. Returning Officer Chris Hayes said there was no spill for the deputy position, but Treasurer Wayne Swan, Craig Emerson, Joe Ludwig and Communications Minister Stephen Conroy are thought to have quit. Penny Wong has been elected as the new Labor leader in the Senate, a position previously held by Mr Conroy. Mr Hayes said the meeting was quite sombre but people were glad the issue was resolved.
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
  • George S.
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 10116

    #2
    what will that mean for us macedonians nothing.They the australian govt still hold the same views as the greeks due to the greek vote in melbourne.
    "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
    GOTSE DELCEV

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    • Bill77
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 4545

      #3
      Atleast we don't have to put up anymore with that bogan accent.
      It's a shame though it wasn't Kim Beasley challenging, I would have just once, loved it to hear her say "kimeeeeee look at moyeeee"
      http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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      • Risto the Great
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 15659

        #4
        What a joke.
        His mismanagement of the country was only just surpassed by Gillards.
        Striving for mediocrity is all I can say.
        Risto the Great
        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

        Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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        • Vangelovski
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 8532

          #5
          Just bring the election on. Anything will be better than the ALP fiasco.
          If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

          The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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          • EgejskaMakedonia
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2010
            • 1665

            #6
            I'm just waiting until Bill Shorten takes over sometime after the election. He's someone that'd be an ideal leader for the ALP.

            Hopefully with Rudd back, the potential damages can be mitigated to an extent. The dynamics of politics can change very quickly, and perhaps that gives Labor a chance at the next election.

            I'm calling it now, Abbott will be a disaster for this country. If people are happy with voting for an extremist, then I fear for the future of Australia. Too many people in the public have no idea about politics, yet follow the line of the media, which is generally to criticise Labor at any opportunity. It seems that many people despise Gillard, yet when asked why, they have no idea what to say. I'm no fan of her or Rudd, but Gillard in particular has been crucified by the media over the last few years.

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            • George S.
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 10116

              #7
              Didn't russ design the nbn on a plane on a scrap of tissue paper.No costing ,no nothing ,one giant white elephant costing multiple billions of dollars.
              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
              GOTSE DELCEV

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              • George S.
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 10116

                #8
                rudd is folowowing gillards as to the worst priminister australia ever had.The public are fed up with crap.You know how they referred to him kevin 007.He should stick to flying & make up policy on the run.Leave the priministership to someone like Abbott.
                "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                GOTSE DELCEV

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                • lavce pelagonski
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 1993

                  #9
                  How about Palmer United Party?
                  Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле Страшниот Чакаларов гркоубиец и крвожеден комитаџија.

                  Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море. Васил Чакаларов

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                  • Vangelovski
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 8532

                    #10
                    As EM suggests, I'm quite sure many people don't know why they back on party over another or why they don't like certain politicians. However, I personally dislike the entire ALP, including both Rudd and Gillard because of their socialist ideoglogy and policies. Because of their ingrained socialism, the ALP (and even the Coalition to an extent) believe that they know whats best for inidividuals better than the individuals concerned do. Incompetence is another key problem for them, though it wasn't always. I think it will take a generation (or two) of change within ALP ranks to overcome the incompetence problem, but the socialism will die hard and thus they will never likely be fit for government in my view.
                    If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                    The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                    • Phoenix
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 4671

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                      As EM suggests, I'm quite sure many people don't know why they back on party over another or why they don't like certain politicians. However, I personally dislike the entire ALP, including both Rudd and Gillard because of their socialist ideoglogy and policies. Because of their ingrained socialism, the ALP (and even the Coalition to an extent) believe that they know whats best for inidividuals better than the individuals concerned do. Incompetence is another key problem for them, though it wasn't always. I think it will take a generation (or two) of change within ALP ranks to overcome the incompetence problem, but the socialism will die hard and thus they will never likely be fit for government in my view.
                      I'd much rather live in a 'socialist' Australia under an ALP government than the right wing US models of governance or the extreme conservatism of the British system which are the inspirations for the "Mad Monk" and his vision for Australia.

                      Gillard was the unfortunate victim of the wider 'red-neckery' of the Australian electorate and the appalling lack of respect given to a woman PM by the general Australian electorate and specifically the disgusting 'shock-jock' antics of elements of the Australian media.

                      Gillard held together a minority government in very difficult circumstances, passing numerous pieces of legislation during her tenure for which she's had very little credit given to her.
                      Australia is still in an enviable economic position compared to the rest of the world with good access to education, health care and other social services for all.

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                      • Vangelovski
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 8532

                        #12
                        Phoenix, we know you would rather live in a socialist dystopia in which Nanny knows best. You're posts over the years have had a clear socialist lean in them.

                        Gillard wasn't so unpopular because she was a woman - that's just socialist nonsense - she (and Rudd, who is a man by the way) were so unpopular because they are incompetent and the majority of Australians don't agree with their socialist agenda, which became very apparent to most AFTER the 2007 elections. Until then, Rudd was portraying himself as an economic conservative, which was absolute nonsense.

                        I'm not sure exactly to what "right wing" models of governance you're referring to, but are they anything like the kitchen cabinets under Rudd and Gillard? Do you know how many people were actually involved in the decision-making process under these two Prime Ministers? I can tell you exactly how many and their names. Its an open secret within the Federal Bureaucracy and anyone who moves within the relevant circles around Canberra. I'll give you a clue - between the two Prime Ministers, you could count the members of the decision-making teams on two hands. This is unprecedented in Australian political history, but very reminicient of the Stalinist governance that senior ALP Ministers admire.

                        In terms of Australia being in an enviable economic position, that's just a load of relativistic rubbish. Just because we're not as bad as others means nothing. We shouldn't even care what others are doing, we should be focused on what we're doing and being an estimated $273 billion in debt for rubbish we do not need is unacceptable. Who do you think is going to pay that bill? The magic money tree?

                        I'm interested in which legislation you believe Gillard did so well with? What exactly do you think she should have been given more credit for?
                        If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                        The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                        • Phoenix
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 4671

                          #13
                          Phoenix, we know you would rather live in a socialist dystopia in which Nanny knows best. You're posts over the years have had a clear socialist lean in them.
                          ...lol
                          Fark me...that’s blatant McCarthyism there Vangelovski.

                          I'm interested in which legislation you believe Gillard did so well with? What exactly do you think she should have been given more credit for? .
                          The passing of 500+ pieces of legislation in a hung parliament is a monumental feat of governance.

                          Other significant legislation includes the carbon pricing scheme.

                          Launching DisabilityCare Australia (NDIS)

                          The Murray-Darling agreement.

                          Gonski school reforms.

                          Legislation surrounding the issues of 457 visas

                          Increases to employer compulsory superannuation contributions

                          Dismantling of ‘Workchoices’ and the introduction of Fair Work Act

                          Improved dental services to school children

                          Securing $16.5 billion for school hall funding

                          National infrastructure projects, including the NBN and major road works.

                          New diplomatic agreements with China, unprecedented in Australian Foreign Affairs.
                          Last edited by Phoenix; 06-27-2013, 04:03 AM.

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                          • Risto the Great
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 15659

                            #14
                            Australia cannot thank Gillard for anything other than destroying the nations wealth. Australia is now only a few years behind the rest of them. It has squandered it's savings and has absolutely nothing to show for itself. It could have far better education with some decent policy. It could have had far better health care and social services if it didn't blow all our money on some of the the most rampant and stupid spending I have ever seen. Australia is now hoping to make a surplus after servicing its foreign debt. It never had it before the "GillaRudd" were in power.

                            If they felt compelled to hock the nation, they could have done it far more beneficially.
                            Risto the Great
                            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                            • Vangelovski
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 8532

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
                              ...lol
                              Fark me...that’s blatant McCarthyism there Vangelovski.



                              The passing of 500+ pieces of legislation in a hung parliament is a monumental feat of governance.

                              Other significant legislation includes the carbon pricing scheme.

                              Launching DisabilityCare Australia (NDIS)

                              The Murray-Darling agreement.

                              Gonski school reforms.

                              Legislation surrounding the issues of 457 visas

                              Increases to employer compulsory superannuation contributions

                              Dismantling of ‘Workchoices’ and the introduction of Fair Work Act

                              Improved dental services to school children

                              Securing $16.5 billion for school hall funding

                              National infrastructure projects, including the NBN and major road works.

                              New diplomatic agreements with China, unprecedented in Australian Foreign Affairs.
                              How's passing legislation a feat in and of itself? Shouldn't you be asking what that legislation is and why we even need it? More state interference in our private lives is what it essentially amounts to.

                              The Carbon tax? Gonski? School halls? Come on Phoenix... Do you actually know anything about these and how they will work and what they will do and how much they will cost?

                              Visa's, workchoices and the NBN?

                              What exactly about these do you think is of benefit and how on earth would you justify the expense?

                              What about their system of governance? You seem to have gone quiet on that. Or does the end
                              (more state power paid for by our private money) justify the means (a politburo system less democratic and with less input than Stalin's)?
                              If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                              The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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