Supporters of DUI wreck scaffolding of Kale church museum

[Bill77]

Niko,

I'll be surprised if we see more than 4-5 hundred people turning up. I would be just as surprised if we see anyone older than 18 turning up.
The problem is, there is no unity what so ever. Im sensing This incident has turned out to be a political issue. Its the ruling government against opposition. only in the eyes of the Macedonian citizens though. Where for the Albanians, its an Ethnic and religious issue.

SDSM rub their hands when there are incidents like this. You will not see sdsm supporters attending. infact they would spit on our kids that do attend just like that A1 camera man did as the Macedonian protesters were being escorted away. According to recent surveys, over 50% are not happy with any parties, so count them out. There will be others that if there is not a free feed for them, they will not bother.

I read a report yesterday where the MOI closed or are going to close the face book site calling for this gathering. They are also pushing for names and other info of the creators for this FB site. Bloody intimidation by our own government, how sad. Yet Albanians both citizens and politicians can publicly do to us as they want. not to mention non Albanian outsiders. But no action is ever pursued by the MOI against them.

You know what this country needs, a fucken revolution. Starting with the enemy being Macedonian authorities. Then lets have a ohrid agreement between the Macedonians and coalition government for better rights. We are being left out.



Update: Yep, they closed their FB site.

"Event Cancelled

This event is no longer available because it has been cancelled."

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=111820328893061

Bloody Dogs.

[Niko777]

I think its more of an ethnic "Macedonian vs Albanian" issue. The Albanians are trying to cover it up behind the mask of Islam and turn it into a religious issue, but I don't see any Turks or Torbeshi getting involved. This is an Albanian problem. Sure the opposition could benefit from this but surprisingly they are a lot quieter than I would have expected.

Albanians do not want a church on the Kale simply because that would signal a Macedonian superiority in Skopje which goes against their vision of a greater Albania. Right now Albanians are trying to create an environment where at least it looks like they are equally sharing power with the Macedonians. The more power they get the more confident they are of a greater Albania becoming true. Building that church would revert things back to the reality that their dream of a "greater Albania" or "Albanian majority" are still far away.

[Frank]

Remember all, the term of reference is now "Natural Albania" not "Greater Albania"

[Risto the Great]

Niko,

I'll be surprised if we see more than 4-5 hundred people turning up. I would be just as surprised if we see anyone older than 18 turning up.
The problem is, there is no unity what so ever. Im sensing This incident has turned out to be a political issue. Its the ruling government against opposition. only in the eyes of the Macedonian citizens though. Where for the Albanians, its an Ethnic and religious issue.

SDSM rub their hands when there are incidents like this. You will not see sdsm supporters attending. infact they would spit on our kids that do attend just like that A1 camera man did as the Macedonian protesters were being escorted away. According to recent surveys, over 50% are not happy with any parties, so count them out. There will be others that if there is not a free feed for them, they will not bother.

I read a report yesterday where the MOI closed or are going to close the face book site calling for this gathering. They are also pushing for names and other info of the creators for this FB site. Bloody intimidation by our own government, how sad. Yet Albanians both citizens and politicians can publicly do to us as they want. not to mention non Albanian outsiders. But no action is ever pursued by the MOI against them.

You know what this country needs, a fucken revolution. Starting with the enemy being Macedonian authorities. Then lets have a ohrid agreement between the Macedonians and coalition government for better rights. We are being left out.



Update: Yep, they closed their FB site.

"Event Cancelled

This event is no longer available because it has been cancelled."

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=111820328893061

Bloody Dogs.

Lordy Lordy, how the media have managed to make Macedonians look bad in this is beyond me. The Facebook interrogation of Macedonians is astounding and anything less than a revolution in Macedonia would be a failure.

Given Gruevski's apathy on the rogue coalition politicians as well as the policies aimed at punishing the Macedonian Facebook activists, it can only be understood that Gruevski is anti-Macedonian and is in fact the enemy of Macedonians.

[Bill77]

Niko,

I'll be surprised if we see more than 4-5 hundred people turning up. I would be just as surprised if we see anyone older than 18 turning up.

Not one soul turned up to make some sort of statement. 4-5 hundred, i grossly overestimated how many would turn up. I am almost speechless.

This is a sad sad day for Macedonia and Macedonians.

[Volk]

Bill77,

There is no need for bloodshed to prove a point. A peace march with 10,000- 20,000 people waving Macedonian flags on Kale would have sent the albanians a very strong message...

The face that no one turned up just proves there where political elements in the background orchestrating everything...

I expect a few more 'incidents' to raise some national fever and garner votes for VRMO prior to elections... Oh once they get them into check again...

[Bill77]

Bill77,

There is no need for bloodshed to prove a point. A peace march with 10,000- 20,000 people waving Macedonian flags on Kale would have sent the albanians a very strong message...

The face that no one turned up just proves there where political elements in the background orchestrating everything...

I expect a few more 'incidents' to raise some national fever and garner votes for VRMO prior to elections... Oh once they get them into check again...

I did not expect the demonstrators to deliberately look for bloodshed, but i expected a massive demonstration as a response to the Albanians, Our Gov, and the world, where we show unity, strength, a message "no more only Albanians getting it their way". The government on the otherhand, suggested blood will spill from the Macedonians by the hands of the police. That is worse than our blood spilling by the hands of Albanians.

Policiata po nashi deca ke mavat? na nashite dechina krv da techi? a shiptarite na ke mavat po nas so kamejna i nozoj, i na ke ni urinat spomenicite, i da gi oprostime nim i da molchime i taka na ke bidi.

This could have been a destiny changing event. Where the nation would have woken up after seeing Macedonian blood spilled by its own Government and police. It then would have had potential for a massive revolt occur. Not only send fear to current and future governments, but the shiptari would have went back in the shells.

Instead, what do we have now? A government spreading fear only towards Macedonians. Gutless- disunity-weak-pushover Ethnic Macedonian citizens. Ethnic Albanians are winners and grinners.

[Risto the Great]

This could have been a destiny changing event. Where the nation would have woken up after seeing Macedonian blood spilled by its own Government and police. It then would have had potential for a massive revolt occur. Not only send fear to current and future governments, but the shiptari would have went back in the shells.

Instead, what do we have now? A government spreading fear only towards Macedonians. Gutless- disunity-weak-pushover Ethnic Macedonian citizens. Ethnic Albanians are winners and grinners.

Macedonia has failed every one of its destiny changing events for the last 15 years.

Macedonians in the Republic did not fight for their independence. I am yet to see sustained evidence of any fight whatsoever in Macedonians anywhere except for in the Diaspora.

A very disappointing people who deserve everything they accept.

p.s. I still have not seen a hint of Gruevski dealing with his rogue coalition partner politicians.

[George S.]

Instead on turning on the albanians they turned on the macedonians how xrazy is that??
THe politicians have vested interest.They dare not make a wrong move..Who knows what promises were made to them If macedonians knew the real truth they would revolt.This sort of thing is a huge let down.

[Big Bad Sven]

Bill77,

There is no need for bloodshed to prove a point. A peace march with 10,000- 20,000 people waving Macedonian flags on Kale would have sent the albanians a very strong message...

The face that no one turned up just proves there where political elements in the background orchestrating everything...

I expect a few more 'incidents' to raise some national fever and garner votes for VRMO prior to elections... Oh once they get them into check again...

The sad thing here is that SDSM could get more number in their rally to promote a name change whilst blaring serbian turbo-folk and waving serbian flags...

Not to mention the already established fact that more albanians come out to protest then Macedonians.

Something is not right in that country

[Big Bad Sven]

p.s. I still have not seen a hint of Gruevski dealing with his rogue coalition partner politicians.

It seems like "Vojvoda" Gruevski is the same as the other "leaders" we had in the past, to guttless to do anything or say anything to a small ratbag group of ghegs.

Its the same old story in macedonia, talk big to the media but give the shiptars free reign to do what ever they want.

What a huge embaraassment gruevski has become.

[George S.]

BBS it's more of the same.It's a forgone conclusion they are all the same.

[Volk]

I am yet to see sustained evidence of any fight whatsoever in Macedonians anywhere except for in the Diaspora.

I hope your excluding the braniteli in this statement.

[indigen]

I hope your excluding the braniteli in this statement.

Why? Shto odbranija na krajot na krajishtata? IMO, to be a TRUE DEFENDER requires political and ideological defence (including use of force) of MACEDONIAN NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY and this has NOT been effectively (or even moderately attempted to be) defended in any sense and those political forces (or individual politicians) who opposed the Ramkoven back in 2001/2002 are now MUTE about it or partaking in its implementation.

Secondly, the "Braniteli" were mostly professional servicemen and reservists and were FOLLOWING ORDERS of a TREASONOUS and CAPITULATIONIST "UNITY GOVERNMENT" (where the ENEMY was part of the ruling establishment and thus many fell victims to treachery from within) and essentially approximately 1/3 of Macedonia was (and remains to this day) lost to the UCK as an exclusive (more or less) Gheg territory and THE STATE CEASED TO BE A MACEDONIAN ONE WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE OFA (Ramkoven dogovor)!

Lastly, IMO, real Braniteli in 2001 were those who courageously opposed the signing and voting in of the Ramkoven and those were few and far in between. And, from where I stand, the real, real BRANITELI today are only those who are consistent in their opposition to all past injustices and seek ways to reclaim the lost Macedonia and to reveres and redress ALL anti-Macedonian injustices.

So pochit,
I.

[Risto the Great]

I know it is hard to place a value on human life. But was losing Macedonia in 2001 worth about 100 lives?