Supporters of DUI wreck scaffolding of Kale church museum

[Risto the Great]

George, they are citizens of Macedonia. Every international law under the sun gives them rights. But Macedonians also have rights and they (except for these fabulous Facebook guys) prefer the comfort of their rakija and whining about the outside forces that are conspiring to destroy Macedonia.

This in my opinion is monumental for Macedonians and I think it will (should) spread some very necessary new sentiments.

Gruevski must accept responsibility for his coalition partners despicable actions or else sack them, there is no in between. If Gruevski has to go "Extra-constitutional" for the rights of the Macedonian people to be preserved, then it must be done and precedents exist right now in Egypt.

[Prolet]

Straso Angelovski's Speech was right on the money, if they keep going like this they wont have anything.

The History of Kale shows that there were 3 churches there, the Ottomans used it as a prison but there has never been a mosque there. Its more then clear that the Wahhabi groups are trying to take over and are using Islam as their cause.

[Risto the Great]

Prolet, if Gruevski does nothing to the rogue ethnic Albanian politicians, do you agree that he is part of the problem in Macedonia (as opposed to the solution)?

[Voltron]

Just goes to show when you give an inch they take a mile. You guys have done everything in your power to make the Shiptari feel at home and yet they are still ungrateful. They are running around amok like a bunch of degenerites they are and you still support this diversity crap. I said it just a week ago about this islaminfestation taking place and I was scoffed at as a racist. Well here you go. I seriously hope some people wake up and start focusing their anger where it should be.

[Voltron]

Since DUI is in a coalition, Gruevski should have this guy by the balls the next morning. I dont know if its the IA that is stopping you but this is flat out treason if you ask me.

[Rogi]

Just in case some were unaware, the Albanian NGO that was behind the fight, is the same one that is financed by the Soros Organisation. Furthermore, this is following the same escalation plan that we saw take place in 2001.

[Dimko-piperkata]

the caucasians chant loudly UCK, UCK, UCK

it is only a questions of weeks/month till the caucasians will start again a armed extortionate attack to destroy the democracy

gruevski MUST react on that animal behaviour AND bar the build of the mosque as educational measures

[George S.]

Agreed RTG,we don't want another war but if gruevski doesn't show balls & the albanians know they can get away the'll cause trouble.

[Big Bad Sven]

The sad part is facing what Macedonia has become......20 years after independence. Albanians have so many rights that Macedonians cannot even build a church without their permission in their own capital, a capital of a country that was supposed to be the homeland of the Macedonian nation.

Not only are we not allowed to build a church, but we cannot even restore a church which had existed from the 12th century!!! The government had halted construction work, but they did not halt work on Arasta Dzamija - an illegal structure right beside the National Museum of Macedonia where Albanians hope to spread extreme Islamic propaganda!

And when Macedonians came to protest earlier today, they were the ones escorted away by police! Albanians were allowed to remain at the scene, so what did they do? They removed the Macedonian flag from the structure - and put up signs that read "Illyrian Kale"! Did the police do anything about that? Nope! Did police punish the Albanian vandals who damaged the structure days ago - including 2 interior ministers and a mayor? Nope! So I ask, who exactly is running the country? Because it's obviously not the Macedonians...

Gruevski and those in power, and the macedonian police who turned away the macedonians but left the shiptars to protest, are all weak as piss.

Bit disappointing that only 100 macedonians came to the protest, yet there were over 300 shiptars that came to protest.... but i guess the bright light is that out of the 100 macedonians that came to protest nearly all were all young people. Good on them for being brave and standing up for historical TRUTH and also RESPECT for themselves and country.

[fyrOM]

Furthermore, this is following the same escalation plan that we saw take place in 2001.

To smack or not to smack. Without clear boundaries a child will do whatever it wants…it is extremely naive to think they will always do what is right according to your view of right…yet with boundaries they will often push the limits but if consequences are understood and a well founded sense of togetherness has been established the curtailing of excess is possible.

Gruevski and all his predecessors are guilty of not establishing any of the above and any consequential conflict which arises later.

Defining privileges without defining obligations is working without any well defined fixed points to measure right and wrong by.

Where some obligations are defined…even loosely….but not enforced leads to questioning and contempt.

Without a developed sense of togetherness leads to separation.

Today do we not have no clear right and wrongs…questioning and utter contempt for Macedonians…and calls for separation.

Gruevskis predecessors are guilty for the past. What they did or didn’t do only make his job harder or easier but in No way does it absolve him from his responsibilities for today and the future. The position he has comes with many responsibilities. If he wants his position the he needs to step up to his responsibilities…failure to do so is a dereliction of duty at best and treason at its worst neither of which bode well for him.

Is he going to man up and take hold of his responsibilities or if he feels it is all too much then step aside for others who can…the integrity of the Republic the identity and lives are at stake.

Hiding behind its hoodlums are doing things and hoodlums exist in every country does not wash when member of parliament and other high position are actively involved. This is not small time hoodlums but systemic corruption and subversion…the gloves need to come off…you are not facing tapping a naughty child on the backside but a looming stab in the back in your own home.

Hopefully the Macedonian people have not forgotten the past and if the unfortunate is forced upon them then have the will to react Swiftly with Full force rather than a timid long gradual buildup. The time to act could be limited by outside forces and for best results should not be squandered.

[Volk]

Am I the only one here that thinks this is all a political stunt to detract from the current political climate??

[fyrOM]

I hope you are right Volk.
As the saying goes Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
Unfortunately I don’t see a lot of preparing just a lot of negative activity.

[fyrOM]

Since DUI is in a coalition, Gruevski should have this guy by the balls the next morning. I dont know if its the IA that is stopping you but this is flat out treason if you ask me.

Reply only to Ahmeti

http://www.idividi.com.mk/vesti/makedonija/662633/index.html

Skopje, February 14, 2011 (AP) - Vice - Minister of Interior Dzevad Buci today said he would resign only if that person asked him the DUI leader Ali Ahmeti that just before it bears responsibility for its operation.

- I will resign only if asked personally DUI leader Ali Ahmeti. Before him, bearing responsibility for my work, Buci said before the session of the Parliamentary Committee on Defence and Security.

In yesterday's incident of Kale, where Buci, according to some media, intervened in one of the participants to be removed the handcuffs, he said that as Deputy Minister had the authority to do so.

On Sunday when the incident occurred between supporters of the construction of a church museum and those who are against the construction of the fortress was in the capacity of citizens to prevent the situation to escalate.

- It was suspenseful and tense. If you forget I am a deputy minister and it was necessary and had to be done. I had to calm down the situation not to escalate, said Buci.

About his presence and intervention during the incident at Calais yesterday he talked with Interior Minister Gordana Jankulovska.

[fyrOM]

Dutch Ambassador Summoned to MoFA after Kale Incident

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/17566/1/

Monday, 14 February 2011

Residing Dutch Ambassador to Macedonia Simone Filipini was called in for a meeting at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs over the involvement of Arton Grubi in the incidents at Kale fortress in Skopje, TV Kanal 5 had reported.

Arton Grubi is an employee of the Dutch Embassy who works as a political consultant. Grubi has kept his job despite being involved in numerous incidents, including the last one which will lead to his arrest.

Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Macedonia Zoran Petrovski shown concern on the fact Arton Grubi, an employee at the Embassy was allegedly organizer and participator in the protest that turned into a mass fight between Macedonians and Albanians.

[Frank]

Arton Grub was the dog I was referring to in relation to the support the Gegs have in a certain diplomatic circle