Macedonian Orthodox Church - News & Updates

[Volk]

Our existence is a reality, if they dont like it they can shove it.

I sure as hell dont need 'recognition' from any church, they should go to Ohrid and bow down on one knee for their idiocy, while there at it, they should ask themselves which language they speak in church, which script they write in and where it comes from.

[Bratot]

I don't see a reason to declare account for our cause in the eyes of some ideologically-cripple fool who admire somebody else's church.

Making fun of the connection to our ancestors is proving us how fractional and phoney is his personal belief.

[julie]

Except of being the adminstrator what factor are your or what have you done for macedonia and it's people in your life, that gives you the right to judge who loves macedonia and not?
I dont discuss wtih ignorant people that thinks the whole world centers around macedonia and its history.

RTG does not blow his own horn, he has done a lot for the Macedonian community and the Macedonian cause, the fact that he is not in his own ego says a lot for his character and dignity and selflessness.

I am taking offence with that comment you have made knowing the man that he is, and I dont understand your attacks here when someone asks why you take the stance you do, answer it.

I asked where you are from, and you ignore it.

I dont know SoM , but from what I have seen on this forum, he is tolerant and a gentleman, and does not deserve the response you have provided

When I have stepped over the mark, I have had the balls and graciousness to do so. Its called character and integrity

[Big Bad Sven]

Except of being the adminstrator what factor are your or what have you done for macedonia and it's people in your life, that gives you the right to judge who loves macedonia and not?
I dont discuss wtih ignorant people that thinks the whole world centers around macedonia and its history.

RTG has done more for the macedonian people then you have or ever will.

But we dont know you so well, so maybe you can inform us on what YOU have done for macedonia and the macedonians - If you are so quick to question other peoples "macedonianess".

[Big Bad Sven]

Excellent and intelligent response, thanks for confirming the obvious. You're clearly incapable of registering logic in any form, and would rather comment on grammar than content. You're a little a coward, someone unhappy with his life, who, like a typical loser, takes it out on his own. Grow up you mochko.

Many years ago on the maknews forum when ever i got into a debate with this "komita" fellow I realised when ever he was loosing the debate he would resort to name calling and call me a "albanian lover" - or he would criticise my grasp on the macedonian language. The most funny but ludicrous "come back" from this fellow was that he tried proving to me, and others on the maknews forum that he was the biggest macedonian patriot on the forum because he went to macedonia 4 times a year every year and that we lowly macedonians from australia are beneath him because we go back home once ever two years (or some thing stupid like that).

Im guessing he doesn’t post on maknews anymore because he became a huge laughing stock, and I believe they referred to him as a “srboman”.

[Mastika]

Hmmm ok, i didn't know that but If he went with the western world, then why Tito regime accused Turkish minority in Macedonia with being anti-communist and USA/Turkey supporters, spies of the NATO? They sentenced ~45 elite members of Turkish community to death because of this and lots of teachers, journalists gone to prison for lifetime. So, if he went pro-western, then all this accusations was fake to cover their real intentions???

Can you provide some sources backing up your claims about Tito working against the Turkish minority? I haven't heard of anything suggesting that Tito was especially unfair to Turks. In fact he was the one who allowed many Turks to leave Macedonia and live in Turkey.

[sf.]

...Hmmm ok, i didn't know that but If he went with the western world, then why Tito regime accused Turkish minority in Macedonia with being anti-communist and USA/Turkey supporters, spies of the NATO? They sentenced ~45 elite members of Turkish community to death because of this and lots of teachers, journalists gone to prison for lifetime. So, if he went pro-western, then all this accusations was fake to cover their real intentions???


How about Bulgaria and others? They were more pro-Russian than Yugoslavia at those days?

Re Tito and the Turkish minority. I'm not sure of the incident you're referring to, but accusations for political needs were a feature used against all percieved political threats in Yugoslavia.

I know a lot of Turks left Macedonia in the 50s. I'm not sure that they were exiled, but rather (forcefully) urged. My father, who hardly is an authority on this, suggested that they were lured by Turkey with a promise of a better, capitalistic life. Many Turks stayed in Macedonia and enjoyed good lives there, while many that left, regretted having done so. The regret wasn't necessarily because they were treated badly in Turkey, but rather because they always have felt Macedonia to be their home.

This popular song that celebrates the town of bitola, was composed by a Turkish native of the town, who left for Turkey:

YouTube - Bitola, Moj Roden Kraj - Macedonian Song
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajri_Demirovski

As for the Russian 'Empire' in the Balkans, they basically had Romania and Bulgaria under their thumbs. Owing to the strong personality type of Tito, Yugoslavia split ideologically and politically from the other communist states shortly after WW2.

Albania on the other hand is also an interesting case. They isolated themselves form the USSR, because they saw some of the enacted political and economic reforms as a betrayal of communist ideology, and went on to form their own interpretation.

[Prolet]

Komita, Nobody is threatening you here, nobody is asking you to not be yourself just show respect to the others. Im not an Administrator here so i have no powers to delete anybodies account but you cant keep on behaving this way, i think you will know that the MTO has done alot of good for our people in the diaspora and worked very hard with AMHRC to bring awareness to our people in Australia and abroad, i cant say that too many people know about the MTO in Europe but everybody does their part you cant criticize somebody who wants to do good for our country even if its something small it deserves respect.

[makedonche]

Komita
You have dishonoured yourself here, do not look for blame amongst others, look first in the mirror before you point the finger elsewhere.
The MTO is one of the most tolerable and multi- faceted forums around that welcomes all people and allows them their views and opinions, this is self evident, there are Greeks, Bulgarians, Turks and others communicating civilly and exchanging valuable information here. You can be a part of this as well, all it takes is mutual respect, if you have difficulty with this concept then this is not the place for you, and if you have difficulty here then I venture to say you are not going to fit in too well anywhere objectivity is a prerequisite.

[Komita]

I've tried to stay away from this discussion if it were to be called a discussion but its getting ridiculous now.

I've never seen so much disrespect towards a moderator or an admin its unbelievable, for somebody with such a short temper to come out with that much rudeness and show no respect is disrespecting for everybody even the Greek forum members here. I cant speak for others i can speak for myself i've had my ups and downs and been criticized alot but thats all part and parcel of the game it seems like Komita cant take any criticism whats so ever and if somebody even looks to question him he attacks them.

Komita, I know we are all different and dont think the same because if we did this forum would be a very boring place however you do need to respect peoples opinion even if you dont agree with them, you have been protected and shielded by the admins here and not only that they've shown you an enormous amount of respect to which you've clearly spat it right back into their faces and thats not a good thing. If you got any dignity left inside of you, you will apologize to them because they've shown you alot of respect here much more then anybody else here yet you've continued to misuse it time after time again. Start showing some respect towards the people here aswell as yourself and you will be surprised when you see it given back to you, stop being so negative all the time.

No I wont, feel free to delete my account.

[Komita]

If Komita knew anything about Australia, he would know that Victoria is a dark miserable place. I have seen more sun when I bend over.

Komita, thanks for confirming your undying love for something that places Macedonia second (or third). We can't be sure what it is you love, but Macedonia is not at the top of the list. Your inability to discuss your position is a sign of weakness. Go find a Serbian/Russo/Greko forum or something.

Except of being the adminstrator what factor are your or what have you done for macedonia and it's people in your life, that gives you the right to judge who loves macedonia and not?
I dont discuss wtih ignorant people that thinks the whole world centers around macedonia and its history.

[Komita]

Yup, as same as my ancestors who ruled the world.

You are typical ignorant pseudo-orthodox fanatic.

I bet you go only twice a year in church, for a Easter and Christmass and I wonder if you have been baptized at all.

That's also even suspected but if playin some big believer and church follower on forums like this makes you feel 'enlighten' keep doing that, in same time opening our eyes on the fool you are.

Your ancestors?
Are you one of those direct descedant to alexander the great, hillarious.

[Prolet]

I've tried to stay away from this discussion if it were to be called a discussion but its getting ridiculous now.

I've never seen so much disrespect towards a moderator or an admin its unbelievable, for somebody with such a short temper to come out with that much rudeness and show no respect is disrespecting for everybody even the Greek forum members here. I cant speak for others i can speak for myself i've had my ups and downs and been criticized alot but thats all part and parcel of the game it seems like Komita cant take any criticism whats so ever and if somebody even looks to question him he attacks them.

Komita, I know we are all different and dont think the same because if we did this forum would be a very boring place however you do need to respect peoples opinion even if you dont agree with them, you have been protected and shielded by the admins here and not only that they've shown you an enormous amount of respect to which you've clearly spat it right back into their faces and thats not a good thing. If you got any dignity left inside of you, you will apologize to them because they've shown you alot of respect here much more then anybody else here yet you've continued to misuse it time after time again. Start showing some respect towards the people here aswell as yourself and you will be surprised when you see it given back to you, stop being so negative all the time.

[Bratot]

Good, now I understand why you post like a typical pagan nationalist.

Yup, as same as my ancestors who ruled the world.

You are typical ignorant pseudo-orthodox fanatic.

I bet you go only twice a year in church, for a Easter and Christmass and I wonder if you have been baptized at all.

That's also even suspected but if playin some big believer and church follower on forums like this makes you feel 'enlighten' keep doing that, in same time opening our eyes on the fool you are.

[Risto the Great]

If Komita knew anything about Australia, he would know that Victoria is a dark miserable place. I have seen more sun when I bend over.

Komita, thanks for confirming your undying love for something that places Macedonia second (or third). We can't be sure what it is you love, but Macedonia is not at the top of the list. Your inability to discuss your position is a sign of weakness. Go find a Serbian/Russo/Greko forum or something.