International Court of Justice - Macedonia and Greece

[Pelister]

Volk, I don't think this is the place for it - throw as much mud as you can and hope some of it will stick, otherwise no one will take you seriously.

Back to the subject, its a farce. I mean taking Greece to court because they won't call us FYROM? The Macedonian leadership are absolute morons, or treacherous snakes. Gruevski has the Macedonian people entirely decieved - he has been an 'agent' in creating a problem where one does not in fact exist, only so that he can paint a picture of himself as the 'saviour'. That about all it comes down to - just another political whore looking for a ticket and prepared to decieve the Macedonian people to get it. I want him replaced with someone who stands up for our rights, rejects all the terms of our enemies, and restores the dignity of the Macedonian people.

[Vangelovski]

Ask Rogi the administrator of the time who exposed your fake account who is lying. Your a deceiver, and warp and misrepresent facts trying to blow your ego up.

Za lecene si.

I believe Rogi made some post and then quickly deleted it. Rogi, can you please clarify that incident - if you remember it?

[makedonche]

Thats just it Makedonche, how is planning ahead being reactive? Reactive is not planning ahead and trying to deal with each issue as it arises.



Absolutely.



Both IA and FA go agaisnt the Macedonian nation world wide and need to be countered and corrected. Both are an example of the weak willed incompetence and inability to defend the Macedonian nation by the political elite in Macedonia.

I hope the MTO can provide a path and vision for this, more than just IA & FA need to go but how do we get there and counter the 'difficulties' that will arise from it.

Volk
I understand what you are saying, but do you understand that it is reactive planning by virtue of the fact that the IA and FA were thrust upon us by weak politicians and a less than well educated population.
In other words it is negative planning due to other influences as opposed to positive planning i.e. "lets plan how we will run the country, laws, trade, diplomatic relations, education and so forth".
Once something is forced or co-erced onto people then their planning is negative/defensive and reactive as opposed to self chosen and positive - it becomes a planning process of necessity rather than a progressive plan for future growth. If you look at the time and resources spent on the IA and FA and the costs of them financially and to our sovreignity, you will see why it's negative reactive planning - just another imposition on the Macedonians to divert their attention while the very fabric of their identity is manipulated and bastardised to the point of no return.

[Volk]

Volk
I understand what you are saying, but do you understand that it is reactive planning by virtue of the fact that the IA and FA were thrust upon us by weak politicians and a less than well educated population.
In other words it is negative planning due to other influences as opposed to positive planning i.e. "lets plan how we will run the country, laws, trade, diplomatic relations, education and so forth".
Once something is forced or co-erced onto people then their planning is negative/defensive and reactive as opposed to self chosen and positive - it becomes a planning process of necessity rather than a progressive plan for future growth. If you look at the time and resources spent on the IA and FA and the costs of them financially and to our sovreignity, you will see why it's negative reactive planning - just another imposition on the Macedonians to divert their attention while the very fabric of their identity is manipulated and bastardised to the point of no return.

Completely agree with you. The foundation of the state has been changed by the FA and this needs to be changed.

[Vangelovski]

Completely agree with you. The foundation of the state has been changed by the FA and this needs to be changed.

According to Volk on the one hand it needs to change, but on the other hand the price is too high and we need to wait.

[Volk]

According to Volk on the one hand it needs to change, but on the other hand the price is too high and we need to wait.

There you go again, telling people what I stand for. Are you stupid or purposing a liar??

Ill post what I have asked for before from the liar that you are:

SHOW ME ONE POST WHERE I HAVE SUPPORTED YOUR STUPID ACCUSATIONS

You cant for good reason.

[Rogi]

I honestly don't remember what you guys are talking about, or such incident, I must not have placed enough importance on the specific incident.
In any case, if someone could point me to the thread being discussed, it might jog my memory..

[Vangelovski]

There you go again, telling people what I stand for. Are you stupid or purposing a liar??

Ill post what I have asked for before from the liar that you are:

SHOW ME ONE POST WHERE I HAVE SUPPORTED YOUR STUPID ACCUSATIONS

You cant for good reason.

You're baseless apocalyptic scenario's of what would happen if Macedonia were to void the FA and replace it with international best-practice individual rights and responsibilities DEMONSTRATE your view that the 'price is too high'.

[Volk]

You're baseless apocalyptic scenario's of what would happen if Macedonia were to void the FA and replace it with international best-practice individual rights and responsibilities DEMONSTRATE your view that the 'price is too high'.

No your inability to understand my message either renders you too stupid or incapable of simple logic.

And what Volk is doing is trying to make you and everyone else think about the best ways to achieve are goals, not just some piss in the wind statements which is all you have offered thus far.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Volk, can you suggest a plan of action?

[Vangelovski]

Volk, can you suggest a plan of action?

In order to do that, he would first have to correctly analyse the situation on the ground rather than just promote nonsense apocalyptic scaremongering.

[makedonche]

Completely agree with you. The foundation of the state has been changed by the FA and this needs to be changed.

Volk
Mate if you agree, then it sort of ads wieight to Vangelovski's argument, there may well be consequences of scrapping the IA & FA, but balanced against loss of sovreignity with the real potential to never get it back because it was surrendered voluntarily! Your thoughts?

[Prolet]

SOM, Like i stated earlier im not exactly sure what they plan to achieve with the verdict, i want to see them break away from these negotiations. Everybody in the Diaspora unanimously are in favor of pulling out and that includes the VMRO Zadranicen Komitet in Australia.

I do think its pointless and we should be pulling out of these negotiations, so to answer your question its not a good idea.

[Vangelovski]

SOM, Like i stated earlier im not exactly sure what they plan to achieve with the verdict, i want to see them break away from these negotiations. Everybody in the Diaspora unanimously are in favor of pulling out and that includes the VMRO Zadranicen Komitet in Australia.

I do think its pointless and we should be pulling out of these negotiations, so to answer your question its not a good idea.

If you're uninformed or unable to critically assess the situation, why all the commentry?

[Soldier of Macedon]

I do think its pointless and we should be pulling out of these negotiations, so to answer your question its not a good idea.

If this is what you think, why do you continue to support Gruevski at every turn? What will it take until people like yourself finally wake up to the reality of the situation?

Who are the 'VMRO Zadranicen Komitet in Australia', an arm of DPNE? What do they do, and what is their purpose?