Nikola Gruevski

[Phoenix]

There's an interesting UMD post on Maknews from one of their conferences where they get pretty excited by a speech by Sally McNamara...the downside was UMD's other guest speaker, Thomas Countryman who had no hesitation to inform the assembled crowd in no uncertain terms that Macedonia MUST compromise with greece to be accepted into NATO and the EU and how failing to backdown in this situation will have political consequences for Macedonia.

UMD guest Mr Countryman also insists that Macedonia has failed to fulfill the total package of the Framework Agreement...

Good Ol' UMD, promoting American and shiptar interests in Macedonia.

U.S. DAS Thomas Countryman Speaks on U.S.-Macedonia Cooperation and Partnership - YouTube

[Volk]

mk a revolution would fix everything that's wrong in macedonia.The citizens could start demonstrating by exercising civil disobefience.

Why dont you start it tough guy?

[George S.]

there was a link to the umd from gruevski speech.When you look they support everyrything
gruevski says.Not surprised as umd accepts IA & name negotiations.

[Vangelovski]

Why dont you start it tough guy?

What's so "tough" about civil disobedience? Its passive. Its what you don't do more than what you do.

[Phoenix]

Why dont you start it tough guy?

Volk, surely you agree that it's hard to argue against the sentiment...?

[julie]

Why dont you start it tough guy?

Being passive good Macedonians and yes men has us in the midst of ethnic genocide, because we are at war over our identity!!!

civil disobedience is practically a requirement Volk, if we are to retain any hope of sovereignty

Being passive has not gotten us anywhere, we have a prime minister who is handing Macedonia over to the shiptari on a silver platter, negotiating our identity, changed our flag, and enforcing that damned agreement, we have UCK terrorists in government , and Albanian is a requirement for Macedonian schoolchildren!!

I would gladly lead in Macedonia, but the gruevski sheep and apathy emanating from there, they could not organise a peaceful demonstration if it was staring at them in the balls

"Tough guy" - I agree with George , we must have action, its inaction that is eroding our identity

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Well, something that has not gone unnoticed to me is that we have few things holding us back ..

- Citizens of Macedonian have little interest and don't care
- Macedonians in Diaspora are badly divided

No, such thing as a "quick fix".

[Makedonska_Kafana]

I, have been and continue to be a harsh critic of the UMD, however, what I see from our Macedonia citizens is much more concerning to me after 20 years. When, will our own people be held accountable?

QUESTION

After, 20 years who do you find MOST responsible for the problems facing Macedonia today?

1. Government(s)
2. Organizations
3. Church's
4. Athens
5. Macedonians

If, you feel ALL of the above then you're confused and part of the much larger problem.

[Risto the Great]

Macedonians solely.
Quite frankly, suggesting Greeks are the problem is giving them WAY too much credit.

[Risto the Great]

- Macedonians in Diaspora are badly divided.

They are in need of solid ideological guidance. Many good Macedonians gone to waste due to an inability to comprehend the logical conclusions to their thought processes.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Sadly, most Macedonians want to change past mistakes of other's and in MANY cases those matters now fall into the class of "unresolvable". We, need to be more pro active rather then reactive.

Changes, for the future begin today ..

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Macedonians solely.
Quite frankly, suggesting Greeks are the problem is giving them WAY too much credit.

You've got my full agreement on the above, thanks

UMD - we're up against a very powerful Greek diaspora. When, I see that comment it has MONEY written all over it rather then based on the "truth". Do, I care what the Greek diaspora does? NOT A CHANCE!

If, today the UMD was handed $10,000,000 our problems would still be there! Folks, if you think it's a lack of funds holding us back you're badly mistaken.

[Volk]

Being passive good Macedonians and yes men has us in the midst of ethnic genocide, because we are at war over our identity!!!

civil disobedience is practically a requirement Volk, if we are to retain any hope of sovereignty

Being passive has not gotten us anywhere, we have a prime minister who is handing Macedonia over to the shiptari on a silver platter, negotiating our identity, changed our flag, and enforcing that damned agreement, we have UCK terrorists in government , and Albanian is a requirement for Macedonian schoolchildren!!

I would gladly lead in Macedonia, but the gruevski sheep and apathy emanating from there, they could not organise a peaceful demonstration if it was staring at them in the balls

"Tough guy" - I agree with George , we must have action, its inaction that is eroding our identity

Julie you miss my point.. anyone can beat there chest and say we need a revolution!! especially on the other side of the world where they stand nothing to lose...

All you need is 1 person for a movement to begin, one leader, one person that is willing to take action instead of calling on other to do it.

That's a leader, willing to take the risk..

Unfortunately this forum is almost exclusively comprised of diaspora Macedonians (mainly Australia), being able to converse with and trade ideas with actual people in the republic is paramount, and this just does not occur here, so people call on revolution.

The need for real revolution was in 2001, when NATO rescued the KLA and their US masters from Archinovo, parliament was stormed but no leader rose.

There is no taste for revolution in Macedonia when the government enjoys unprecedented support.

[United MKD]

Well, something that has not gone unnoticed to me is that we have few things holding us back ..

- Citizens of Macedonian have little interest and don't care

The only thing they care about is the quickest way to get the hell out of Macedonia and go abroad rather than fix the problems in Macedonia.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

The only thing they care about is the quickest way to get the hell out of Macedonia and go abroad rather than fix the problems in Macedonia.

Well, the living and working conditions are way below world standards and this is when citizens do things just to survive regardless if it's wrong. After, the Macedonian citizens I blame ALL international organizations for not doing their part and then governments. When, I say Macedonian citizens this includes everyone in the world.

If, anyone can figure out why Macedonia 2025 was formed please fill them in ..

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