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  • chentovist
    Banned
    • Feb 2012
    • 130

    Originally posted by George S. View Post
    Personally i'm not a bulgarian but a macedonian.Picture this i went to get a birth certificate in bitola & i found that my name ended with ov instead ovski as of my parents who are macedonian.Some f..ng idio'ts have gone & deliberately altered i don't know how many certificates.How can i be ov & not ovski.my Australian passport shows ovski.So the only way is to pay with taxani marki from the bitola sud & an another fee.
    Some f..ing bugarofile wants to make us into bulgarians.
    An uncle of mine who gratuated from a JNA military academy had his name completely changed to a Serbian one on his certificate. He eventually had to go to Belgrade to get a certificate confirming that his real name and that on his gratuation certificate, were in fact one and the same person.....he had to pay for this aswell.....

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    • AMHRC
      De-registered
      • Sep 2009
      • 919

      2012 AMHRC Annual Dinner Dance - Saturday 24th March

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      • AMHRC
        De-registered
        • Sep 2009
        • 919

        MHR Review no.10 - Now Available for Download

        Macedonian Human Rights Review no.10 – March 2012

        Please click the link for a download option: http://www.macedonianhr.org.au/wip/i...=107&Itemid=99

        Inside this issue:

        *Editorial: On the Re-naming of Macedonians in Australia – George Vlahov

        *Tashko Georgievski’s Black Seed – Dr. Michael Seraphinoff

        *MHRMI Response to National Post Letter – Bill Nicholov

        *Australian Government Recognises Macedonian Community

        *Здружени да ја добиеме финалната битка – Игор Павловски

        *Chronology of how the Renaming Policy Came to an End

        *Искрена благодарност – Игор Павловски

        *From Dimitri Jovanov to the AMHRC

        *From President Ivanov to the AMHRC

        *To and From the Editor of Eurofile – Peter Sarbinov

        *Cilevics on Minority Protection in Europe – Vasko Nastevski

        *Show Your Support for Macedonian Human Rights

        *Interview with Johnny Tsiglev – Ljubica Durlovska

        *Intimate Nostalgias – Jim Thomev

        *Morally and Ethically Bankrupt Journalism – David Vitkov

        *The Fight to (Re) Register OMO “Ilinden” PIRIN – David Vitkov

        *Over and Above Carnivals – George Papadakis

        *UN Expert on Macedonians in Bulgaria

        *American Students Meet Macedonians in Greece – Dimitri Jovanov

        *Австралиските власти го користат терминот Македонци – Интервју со Др. Крис Попов од АМКЧП
        Last edited by AMHRC; 04-05-2012, 09:21 PM.

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        • Vangelovski
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 8532

          George,

          I've only had a chance to flick through it, but just wanted to say bloody good work on the 'slav' Macedonian directive!
          If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

          The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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          • AMHRC
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            • Sep 2009
            • 919

            Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
            George,

            I've only had a chance to flick through it, but just wanted to say bloody good work on the 'slav' Macedonian directive!

            Thanks Tom, it was a very long and often excruciating struggle.

            Anyway, here is the rundown from the editorial:


            About the Re-naming of Australia’s Macedonian Community

            As part of a Ministerial Statement delivered by Senator Gareth Evans in the Australian parliament on the 14th March 1994, the Commonwealth government directed all Australian government departments and agencies to use the descriptor “Slav Macedonian” when referring to people who live in or originate from, the Republic of Macedonia.

            However not all Macedonians residing within Australia, originated from the Republic of Macedonia. Thousands in fact came to Australia from the part of Macedonia located within the borders of Greece. But the government was ‘clever’ to the end. According to the “Guidelines” for the implementation of the new terminology, those groups or individuals that do not live in or originate from the Republic of Macedonia, but who do possess a Macedonian ethnic background, are to be described as “organisations and individuals associated with Slav-Macedonians” and thus, this group of Australian citizens was lowered to the status of mere “associates”. The “Guidelines” further stated that the “…term ‘Slav-Macedonian’ is to be used as a geographic description where country of birth or nationality data is required by DIEA for program administration or service delivery purposes.”

            In a poor attempt to pre-emptively quash any objections based on the claim that this constitutes racial discrimination or an impingement upon the right to self-identification and therefore a breech of the spirit of Australian multiculturalism, point four of the “Guidelines” state that this new descriptor “…is not meant to be considered as an ethnic identifier. Nothing in the Commonwealth’s decision affects the right of individuals or organisations to call themselves whatever they wish.”

            A government, deciding to refer to an ethnic group in a manner different from the way the group chooses to identify, is clearly inconsistent with those tenets of multiculturalism that espouse respect for the right to self-identify, and more particularly, equality of treatment: there is an ethnic community in Australia, the name of which is “Macedonian,” however, the federal government states that it will no longer recognise it as “Macedonian”, but as “Slav-Macedonian”. Therefore the Macedonian ethnic community has become the “Slav Macedonian” ethnic community. Thus the word “Slav,” in this context, is ethnic. Macedonians, know themselves as “Macedonian”; this name is the basis of their identity and it is woven into the fabric of their culture in a thousand different and complex ways. By manipulating the Macedonian identity marker, the government objectively undermined the very essence of the cultural ground upon which Macedonians stand. A clear case of negative discrimination, as no other ethnic group in Australia was treated in this way.

            To put this another way, all one needs to do here, is imagine the reaction if a government, Australian or otherwise, decreed that all Australians shall from now on be officially recognised and referred to as “Anglo-Australians” or “Germano-Australians”? Would the terms Anglo or Germano accurately encapsulate what constitutes an Australian? Obviously not, and Macedonians are no different in this regard. The origins of modern day Macedonians are complex and varied – just like the origins of Australians and all other ethnic/national groups. Therefore the “Slav” prefix was not only an offence to the dignity of Macedonians, it was downright inaccurate.

            When our government asserted, that its decision did not affect the ability of Macedonians to identify as they choose (as it is stated in the “Guidelines”); the government must have been aware that this is false in a very practical sense – for the “Guidelines” specifically state that the prefix is to be used for “service delivery purposes”. Thus in order to obtain certain services, one would have to accept the new label and indeed, this occurred on more than one occasion.

            But governments in this country should have understood in a more fundamental sense, that the claim about the ability to continue to self-identify was a clumsy piece of deceit designed to divert attention from a very salient point. It is meaningless to claim Macedonians have the ability to freely express their identity, if relevant others refuse to respect such expression. We are not here referring to some ignorant individual bigot. Disrespect from such sources may never disappear from our planet. No, we are talking about the Australian federal government, our government; we are talking about the responsible authorities; about the sacred relationship that is supposed to exist between the representative and the represented. We are talking about the basis of modern democracy, a basis upon which a modern western nation like Australia is meant to exist.

            This profaning of the sacred relationship between the representative and the represented, by the representative, was intolerable. It made the relationship meaningless. Those who represented our community did not recognise its existence. This was hurtful for every Macedonian-Australian, whether they experienced the “Slav” prefix ‘directly’ or not. For it was, always and everywhere, direct. It was the official policy of Australia that Macedonians are not Macedonian. What made this doubly worse, was that none of the other communities that come together to form the Australian nation, were treated in this way.

            Throughout the last 18 years, there were periods when governments used the prefix more or less; but this prefix all the time ‘hung’ over the whole Macedonian community in the form of multiple ‘swords of Damocles’. Every time one of these swords dropped (i.e. on every occasion that the prefix was actually implemented), the psychological carnage was severe. And just as painfully irritating, was the fact that the government’s directive gave legitimacy to bigots in the wider community. That is in situations, where the government’s policy ‘technically’ should have had no influence whatsoever. But of course, it did – how could it not have!?

            Trauma

            Many Macedonians migrated to Australia in order to escape abuse connected to their ethnic identity. For the Australian government to change the name/manipulate the identity of the Macedonian community at the behest of another community, is demeaning enough on its own. To do it at the behest of certain fanatically intolerant members of the Greek community is extremely hurtful for those Macedonians who migrated to this country in order to escape Greek state persecution.

            This extends to some Australian-born Macedonians, who have come to suffer what is known as trans-generational trauma. When the Australian government decreed that it would officially refer to Macedonians as “Slav Macedonians”, many Australian-born Macedonians found it very difficult to cope with what they perceived as disrespect for the trials and tribulations of their parents, grandparents and other fellow Macedonians. This is most certainly one of the reasons why the Macedonian demonstrations held during the 1990’s in protest against the government’s decision, were so well attended by younger Macedonians.

            It is not just that migrant Macedonians from Aegean Macedonia have had to struggle immensely to preserve their culture and their identity in the face of continual assaults from the Greek state. And it is not just that our government, chose not to represent Macedonians and to not even consult them when it altered their identity at the behest of bigots from within the Greek world – a world which now has a century behind it of manipulating the identity of Macedonians and of persecuting them in various other ways.

            It is that the Australian government, i.e. the Australian-Macedonian community’s government, adopted the very symbol, “Slav”, which was and still is used by Greece to conceal and deny the existence of the Macedonian ethnic group. Moreover, as we have pointed out on other occasions, the word “slave” is derived from the word “Slav” within the Greek language. It was quite simply an extremely insensitive, unjust and diabolical decision.

            How the Directive Came into Existence

            We shall begin by reiterating that the decision to rename the Macedonian community of Australia was announced on the 14th March 1994. A few days prior, a meeting was held in Canberra between the leaders of the Greek community and Foreign Affairs Minister, Senator Gareth Evans, Prime Minister Paul Keating and the Minister for Ethnic Affairs Senator Nick Bolkus. (Tony Wright, Sydney Morning Herald, 15/3/94, p. 1) “The Greek side came with a list of demands, starting with the reversal of recognition.” (Warren Osmond, Sydney Morning Herald, 26/3/94, p. 29) These “demands” were made by Greek community leaders in response to the news that the Australian government, in February 1994, recognised the independence of the Republic of Macedonia – albeit under the abominable (and again at Greek behest) name: “Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”. “Finally the Greek delegation proposed the government adopt the term “Slav-Macedonian”…”... “Looking at the list … we – the Prime Minister, Bolkus and I – had a quick chat in the PM’s office before we saw the delegation. We said NO, NO to the first demands, and as to this last item we decided that provided that we stick to the letter and explain, this one was do-able.” ... “We’ve known for ages that the Greeks wanted this and that the other side would dislike it, Senator Evans told the Herald.” (Ibid)

            Why would an Australian government accede to such a ‘demand’? We here have to come back to the issue of Australia’s recognition of the Republic of Macedonia. “Senator Evans recalls that Senator Bolkus worried that recognition might damage the Keating government’s standing among Greek-Australian voters, a solid majority of whom vote Labor. The government says there are 500,000 Greek-Australians [a gross exaggeration! – GV] and only 75,000 Macedonian-Australians, Melbourne having the largest concentration of each. Most Greek-Australians live in very safe Labor seats, but Greeks in more affluent, marginal seats may be a decisive swing factor in a handful of Melbourne seats. Even rhetorical threats of Greek defections to the Coalition were serious issues for Labor leaders. Bolkus’ position was that he saw the inevitability of recognition but he thought it too hard to sell politically until, and unless, the US changed its position, Senator Evans said this week. When the US announced (recognition) he said: “You’ve got me”. To have stayed out on a limb would have been to concede that our foreign policy is driven by domestic ethnic considerations, Senator Evans told the Herald. On March 14, he told the Senate recognition had already been too long delayed. His February 15 recognition statement, highly qualified to meet Greece’s objections, was criticised by Greek and Macedonian community leaders.” (Ibid)

            Senator Evans could not have been more categorical; he made the decision to not recognise the Republic of Macedonia by its democratically chosen name in order to please bigots in the Greek-Australian lobby. This is also the context for understanding how the federal government could accede to a “demand” to change the name of Macedonians in Australia.

            Was it any surprise that Senator Bolkus played a key role in this process? No! “The other key Minister, [consulted by Evans] and so far the most redescent in public was Senator Nick Bolkus. Australian-born of Greek decent he has kept close links throughout with what his staff call the communities – meaning the Greek communities.” (Ibid) Certainly the Macedonian community was never consulted until after the decision had been made!!

            “Late on the Friday afternoon (March 11), Macedonian community leaders were belatedly invited to a Canberra meeting the following Monday, the same day Senator Evans was to announce the Slav-Macedonian decision. The atmosphere was icy, and Senator Evans talked a lot. Evans was in the hot seat, and he was losing his temper... Delegates say he called them hare-brained and thick-headed. ... Senator Bolkus said almost nothing, except to say (twice) that both communities should comply with multiculturalism. Mr Keating only said his main interest was to calm the situation ... Senator Evans said he was going to make his Senate statement later that day and asked what name they would suggest to replace Slav-Macedonian. We said Macedonian and he said, you’re being unreasonable, I can’t find a compromise if you’re going to say that... The Macedonian community didn’t get anything; it just got a lot of humiliation...” (Ibid)

            This version of events was confirmed in most other mainstream media at the time. For example, Melbourne’s Age newspaper reported: “…the Federal government bowed to Greek pressure to refer to residents of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia as Slav-Macedonians. The government has agreed to ‘instruct’ all departments and to ‘encourage’ statutory bodies such as the ABC and SBS to apply the name ‘Slav-Macedonians’ to those with links to Macedonia. A letter from the Foreign Minister, Senator Evans, obtained by ‘The Age’, reveals details of the agreement between Greek community leaders and the Prime Minister, Mr Keating, Senator Evans, and the Immigration Minister, Senator Bolkus. The hour-long meeting in Canberra on Thursday with 18 Greek community leaders followed a rally by 60,000 in Melbourne to protest against Australia’s recognition of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia ….” (Martin Daly, Age, 12/3/94, p. 1)

            One would have liked to ask Senator Bolkus how the Macedonian community is not respecting multiculturalism!? For it was he, his government and certain Greek community leaders who were conspiring to publicly and officially disrespect the identity of an Australian community! We would also have asked Senator Evans if it would be “unreasonable” for him, as Warren Osmond of the Sydney Morning Herald asked, to “decree that all Australians be called Anglos?” (15/3/94, p. 6). The Macedonian community made it clear that it did not in any way oppose Greek usage of the term Macedonian, yet this was not good enough – a policy of outright public humiliation was deemed necessary and the Macedonian community’s identity would be officially denied.

            Oh how ‘reasonable’ of you Mr. Gareth Evans; as I understand it Mr. Evans, these days you have the audacity to address academic conferences held in support of the notion of human rights...the organisers of these conferences obviously don’t know your past – a past that exposes you as a charlatan; a charlatan who hurled abusive adjectives like “hare-brained” and “thick-headed” at people who were trying to protect their human rights....

            The exact meaning of Senator Evans’ usage of the word “compromise” was made clear in a later piece in the Sydney Morning Herald. “Dr Tamis [the Greek community’s leading spokesperson on the ‘Macedonian issue’] says this [the decision to rename] was a compromise by the Greek community many of whom wanted to call Macedonians Skopjans, the Greek government argot.” (26/3/94, p. 29) A compromise between the Greek community and the Australian government! The Macedonian community itself was completely left out of the discussion! On the whole Greek community leaders were delighted and made it clear that they would begin lobbying all governments in Australia to adopt the prefix (Helen Signy, Sydney Morning Herald, 2/5/94, p. 6).

            To summarise then: “Instead of maintaining the ethnic affairs status quo, Senator Evans has stripped one group of people who identify as Macedonians of their Australian ethnic identity and imposed the ethnic label suggested by their adversaries in the Australian-Greek community on the remainder. This needless contrivance can only antagonise the very ‘Slav-Macedonian’ Australians it so arrogantly patronises.” (Warren Osmond, Sydney Morning Herald, 15/3/94, p. 6)

            Taking all of the reports above into account, the ‘reason’ for the renaming policy becomes quite manifest. Senator Evans made it clear that it was a decision based upon the Labor governments’ perceived need to cement Greek votes. It had nothing to do, as Senator Bolkus so deceitfully suggested, with the spirit of multiculturalism. Again, and obviously, the government made a decision to not recognise an ethnic community by its chosen name – something that flagrantly contradicts the essence of multiculturalism.

            Conclusion

            Attempts by governments and others to interfere with, disrespect and disregard the self-ascription of ethnic communities is a highly detestable form of abuse and a dangerous threat to all that is worthy within the notion of human rights in particular and western society in general. This is why the AMHRC struggled for 18 years to bring about an end to this ethno-centric bigotry – something which, for those who are still unaware, we finally succeeded in officially achieving in January of this year.

            In the conclusion of his well known book about the “Macedonian Conflict”, the Anthropologist, Loring Danforth, wrote: “At a collective level the governments of Canada and Australia with their explicitly multicultural policies accept the principle of self-ascription and have recognised the existence of Macedonians as an ethnic group. Macedonian diaspora communities in these and other countries, therefore, are generally known as Macedonian communities, with only the Greek community raising its voice in protest. Greece, however, with its nationalist ideology of ethnic homogeneity and purity continues to deny the existence of a Macedonian minority within its borders, a position that will prove increasingly difficult to maintain...” (Danforth, 1995: 248).

            All of this was in the main body of the text; however, Danforth discovered just prior to publication that he would have to add an embarrassing qualifying footnote to the above paragraph: “33. A significant exception to this generalisation has been the March 1993 [sic] decision of the Australian government to begin referring to Australia’s Macedonian community in all official contexts as “Slav-Macedonians” (Danforth, 1995: 248).

            Australia allowed itself to be singled out as a stooge for the bigotry of another country, for 18 years. And the current Australian government continues to allow itself to be singled out in this manner as it is one of only a minority of states which continue to refuse to recognise the Republic of Macedonia by the name the inhabitants of that country democratically chose. We hope this soon changes and among other things, Macedonians in Australia will need to become more active citizens, if this disrespectful policy is to be finally brought to an end.

            However, bi-partisan political courage will also be needed from the major political parties - the courage that is, to stand up to a hubristically nationalist bully. In possessing a serious form of xenophobia that prevents it from recognising even the existence of non-Greek ethnic groups within the borders of the modern Greek state, Greek culture, is not unique, if one looks at Europe’s not too distant past. But today, Greece stands virtually alone. In other words, the time for the West in general and Australia in particular, to stop ignoring this serious problem, passed long ago. Those who truly believe in respecting others and take seriously the protection of human rights cannot be supportive of Greece’s substantial efforts to coerce the Macedonian state into changing its name. Thus it is very disturbing that no Australian government has manifested the decency to simply respect the democratically chosen name of the Republic of Macedonia.

            George Vlahov
            Last edited by AMHRC; 04-07-2012, 02:13 AM.

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            • AMHRC
              De-registered
              • Sep 2009
              • 919

              AMHRC Condemns Presence of Neo Nazis at Community Event

              AMHRC CONDEMNS THE PRESENCE OF “NEO-NAZIS” AT A LOCAL COMMUNITY EVENT

              Melbourne, 11 April 2012

              The Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee is deeply concerned about the presence of members of a racist “neo-Nazi” organisation at a recent Greek community event in Melbourne.

              On Sunday 25 March 2012, the Australian Greek community organised a “Greek Independence Day Parade” at the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne. According to the Greek Australian newspaper, Neos Kosmos, the event was attended by a number of Greek community groups, as well as the Premier of the State of Victoria, the Hon. Ted Baillieu, members of the Victorian and Federal Parliaments and representatives from Victoria Police and the Australian Defence Forces.

              However what Neos Kosmos failed to report was the fact that the event was attended by members of a Melbourne branch of the so-called “Chrysi Avgi” (Golden Dawn) organisation. Nevertheless, their presence at the parade was ‘proudly’ displayed on the organisation’s official website:



              According to a report submitted by the Greek Helsinki Monitor (an Athens based human rights organisation) to the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racism and Discrimination (UN CERD), Golden Dawn is “openly neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic, racist and white supremacist and have been involved in many violent incidents against migrants, Macedonians ... as well as in desecration of Jewish monuments.”

              See full GHM submission here:


              In 2009, on the basis of the report of the Greek Helsinki Monitor, UN CERD officially recommended that Greece ban such groups, calling upon the authorities to “take effective measures to penalize organizations and media outlets that are guilty of such acts. It further recommends that the State party concretely ban Neo-Nazi groups from its territory and take more effective measures to promote tolerance towards persons of different ethnic origins."

              See full UN CERD report here:
              http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UND...df?OpenElement)

              While the Australian Macedonian Rights Committee recognises the right of all ethnic communities to organise peaceful national day celebrations and cultural events, the open and unimpeded presence of members of racist groups at such events is totally unacceptable.

              Given the fact that members of the “Golden Dawn” group were wearing distinct black coloured clothing with the words “Golden Dawn” in Greek on the back of their attire, they were clearly visible and easily identifiable to all those present including the event organisers. As such, the neo-Nazi group should have been asked to leave the grounds of the Shrine immediately. Regrettably, they were permitted to stay.

              In future, Australian political leaders need to take heed of who exactly they are addressing so as to avoid such embarrassing situations. The fact that the Premier of Victoria, the Hon. Ted Baillieu, flanked to the right by his Minister for Multicultural Affairs, Mr Nicholas Kotsiras, addressed a gathering in the presence of a neo-Nazi group, at the Shrine of Remembrance of all places, is very disturbing.

              The Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee calls upon community leaders to condemn this incident and ensure the exclusion of racist groups from future community events.

              Manifestations of racism and intolerance have no place in Australian society.

              _________________

              Established in 1984 the Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee (AMHRC) is a non governmental organisation that advocates before governments, international institutions and broader communities about combating discrimination and promoting basic human rights. Our aspiration is to ensure that Macedonian communities and other excluded groups throughout the world are recognised, respected and afforded equitable treatment. For more information please visit www.macedonianhr.org.au , or contact AMHRC by email [email protected] or on +61 3 93298960.
              Last edited by AMHRC; 04-11-2012, 06:23 AM.

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              • Zarni
                Banned
                • May 2011
                • 672

                The Macedonian Community must work with the Jewish Community Immediately

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                • AMHRC
                  De-registered
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 919

                  Macedonians in the Australian Census 2011

                  2011 AUSTRALIAN CENSUS DATA: MACEDONIANS Step Closer to 100,000 in AUSTRALIA

                  In the six months prior to the 2011 Australian census held on Tuesday 9 August 2011, the Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee (AMHRC) prepared instructional leaflets in both English and Macedonian, for the benefit of the Macedonian community. The material related to the questions on ancestry, language, country of birth and religion.

                  Today, the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) made a first data release in relation to the 2011 Census and the following statistical data is of particular relevance to the Macedonian community:

                  • Ancestry

                  The data on the question of ancestry showed that there are 93,570 persons of Macedonian ancestry in Australia (compared to 83,978 at the 2006 census).

                  • Language spoken at home

                  The data on the question of language spoken at home showed that at the 2011 census there are a total of 68,849 persons in Australia who spoke the Macedonian language at home (compared to 67,833 the 2006 census).

                  • Country of Birth

                  The data on the question of country of birth showed that at the 2011 census there were a total of 40,222 persons born in the Republic of Macedonia (compared to 40,656 at the 2006 census).

                  The AMHRC has requested more detailed data from the ABS on the number of persons born in Greece who declared their ancestry to be Macedonian (the 2006 census recorded 2,856 persons).

                  The Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee would like to thank the many thousands of Macedonians who participated in the census and a special thanks to all those in our community who contributed to this successful campaign by making the leaflets widely available.

                  We look forward to continuing our cooperation with the Macedonian community at the next census in 2016!

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                  • chentovist
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 130

                    Originally posted by AMHRC View Post
                    2011 AUSTRALIAN CENSUS DATA: MACEDONIANS Step Closer to 100,000 in AUSTRALIA

                    In the six months prior to the 2011 Australian census held on Tuesday 9 August 2011, the Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee (AMHRC) prepared instructional leaflets in both English and Macedonian, for the benefit of the Macedonian community. The material related to the questions on ancestry, language, country of birth and religion.

                    Today, the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) made a first data release in relation to the 2011 Census and the following statistical data is of particular relevance to the Macedonian community:

                    • Ancestry

                    The data on the question of ancestry showed that there are 93,570 persons of Macedonian ancestry in Australia (compared to 83,978 at the 2006 census).

                    • Language spoken at home

                    The data on the question of language spoken at home showed that at the 2011 census there are a total of 68,849 persons in Australia who spoke the Macedonian language at home (compared to 67,833 the 2006 census).

                    • Country of Birth

                    The data on the question of country of birth showed that at the 2011 census there were a total of 40,222 persons born in the Republic of Macedonia (compared to 40,656 at the 2006 census).

                    The AMHRC has requested more detailed data from the ABS on the number of persons born in Greece who declared their ancestry to be Macedonian (the 2006 census recorded 2,856 persons).

                    The Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee would like to thank the many thousands of Macedonians who participated in the census and a special thanks to all those in our community who contributed to this successful campaign by making the leaflets widely available.

                    We look forward to continuing our cooperation with the Macedonian community at the next census in 2016!
                    Wow, that's 10,000 more Macedonians in just 5 years! Great information campaign. There are more of us than 100,000 so let's keep the campaign alive for the next census.

                    PS. are there any numbers on the other Balkan nations, for comparison?
                    Last edited by chentovist; 06-21-2012, 12:41 AM. Reason: ed

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                    • Coolski
                      Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 747

                      This shows how important it is to promote the correct completion of this census. These two figures alone are enough to say that there are many more Macedonians than originally thought.
                      - Секој чоек и нација има можност да успеат колку шо си дозволуваат. Нема изговор.
                      - Every human and nation has the ability to be as great or as weak as they allow themselves to be. No excuses.

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                      • AMHRC
                        De-registered
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 919

                        Originally posted by chentovist View Post
                        Wow, that's 10,000 more Macedonians in just 5 years! Great information campaign. There are more of us than 100,000 so let's keep the campaign alive for the next census.

                        PS. are there any numbers on the other Balkan nations, for comparison?
                        Thanks chentovist. For basic comparisons, you can look up the numbers on this SBS site: http://www.sbs.com.au/news/census/

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                        • George S.
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 10116

                          i reckon there are many more macedonians,they just don't declare it.Especially from the aegean area who declare themselves greek.Or those who are macedonians but are married to greeks.etc so much variations in the population but with information being more relevantly placed in front of them perhaps more will be discovered.
                          "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                          GOTSE DELCEV

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                          • Risto the Great
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 15658

                            An interesting collection of statistics. I do wonder how many actual Macedonian immigrants have entered Australia since the last census. Also interested to know what happened with the Greek statistics during the same time (it appears there are 4 times as many Greek speakers as compared to Macedonian speakers, the number of Greek speakers has decreased by 8%). Also worth knowing whether the numbers have changed within electorates.

                            Overall though, further confirmation that Macedonians should not be ignored in Australia.

                            Notable that Punjabi (300%) & Mandarin (45%) speakers seem to have the highest growth rate from the last census.
                            Risto the Great
                            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                            • AMHRC
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                              • Sep 2009
                              • 919

                              Macedonian Human Rights Review no.11

                              Macedonian Human Rights Review no.11 July 2012

                              Just Released, please click the link for a free download option: http://www.macedonianhr.org.au/wip/i...=107&Itemid=99

                              Inside this issue of the MHR Review:

                              *McDougall’s 2009 UN Report – George Vlahov

                              *Our Mirror and the Foresight of Lepen – George Papadakis

                              *For Many Years to Come: Nova Zora, as the Persecution Continues – Dimitri Jovanov

                              *Beyond Human Understanding? – Jim Thomev

                              *An Alternative Solution to the Macedonian Name Dispute – Dr. Chris Popov

                              *How Many Greeks are there in Melbourne? – Dr. Chris Popov

                              *Greece will eventually have to accept the use of ‘Macedonian’ - AMHRC

                              *Greek Government ‘Frequently’ Interferes in Australian Policy on Macedonia – AMHRC

                              *The Macedonian Community of WA and Melville-Jones – Chris Angelkov

                              *The 29th Annual AMHRC Dinner

                              *All-Macedonian Sandanski Gathering in Melnik – Stojko Stojkov

                              *The Macedonian Poet, Nikola Vaptsarov – Dr. Michael Seraphinoff

                              *Interview with Anton Klimev – Johnny Tsiglev

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                              • makedonche
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 3242

                                Another good read, highly recommended, great work and poignant content, well done AMHRC!
                                On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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