Normalizing Greece-Macedonia relations once and for all
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Prime Minister Zoran Zaev has shown courage in his persistence to push through the name deal signed with Greece. This is something the more moderate voices on the Greek side appreciate, as is the fact that when the embattled premier is addressing a domestic audience he needs to highlight the benefits he secured with the agreement rather than the concessions he was forced to make. The latter he will either downplay or not bring up at all.
Nevertheless, at this important juncture for the success of the deal, Macedonia’s prime minister, as well as the Balkan country’s politicians and citizens, need to remember two very important things. First, that the agreement still needs to be ratified by the Greek Parliament, where the balance is also quite shaky and majority support is not a given.
The second is that even when the deal passes in Greece and Macedonia joins NATO, it will still face a slew of issues on which it will need Athens’s support and cooperation. Maintaining the existing level of tension will only prove harmful to Macedonia’s long-term interests.
In the meantime, international players who are investing in a successful outcome need to understand that implementation of the agreement in the long term is more important than allowing certain over-the-top statements which will only contribute to the detriment of the deal’s long-term success.
I am referring here to Zaev’s recent comment in response to an opposition politician’s question regarding the right of the “Macedonians of the Aegean” to be taught the “Macedonian” language. This needs to be the West’s strategic priority if what it is seeking is stability in the Balkans.
The frustration on the Greek side – expressed more discreetly by governing SYRIZA and much more vocally by opposition New Democracy – is absolutely justified.
One of the key principles of the Prespes name deal is that the two countries will not meddle in each other’s domestic affairs, and this is being enshrined in the changes being introduced to Macedonia’s constitution.
The issue at hand is not to hide the problems so that the deal goes through. Such an approach may lead to an even bigger crisis in the future – between two NATO members. At the same time, although it may not halt Macedonia’s process of accession to the European Union, it will certainly complicate it.
The goal should be to normalize relations between Athens and Skopje once and for all to the benefit of both countries. And that cannot be achieved with statements aimed solely at domestic audiences which end up alienating and angering the people in the other country.
Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue
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Taking people for fools is a lot easier when those people are fools!
Originally posted by vicsinad View PostSpot on. He does take people for fools, though: he can contradict himself in the same breath, sell out the country and identity, and the people accept it; some with a couple of moans and groans, but still accepting it nevertheless.
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He was trying to sound patriotic, he must have borrowed a page from the DPMNE handbook LOLOriginally posted by vicsinad View PostSpot on. He does take people for fools, though: he can contradict himself in the same breath, sell out the country and identity, and the people accept it; some with a couple of moans and groans, but still accepting it nevertheless.
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Spot on. He does take people for fools, though: he can contradict himself in the same breath, sell out the country and identity, and the people accept it; some with a couple of moans and groans, but still accepting it nevertheless.Originally posted by Stojacanec View PostThose are empty words by Zaev, they don't mean a thing.
This is Zaev's tactic to butter up the Macedonian population to be part of the Za! movement. Does he take people for fools?
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Those are empty words by Zaev, they don't mean a thing.
This is Zaev's tactic to butter up the Macedonian population to be part of the Za! movement. Does he take people for fools?
Macedonian schools will never be operating in Greece!!
Even if there was a clearance to open up such a school, it would be vandalised, terrorised or burned down anyway.
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I think he simply forgot he was in a public forum when he was making up his next collection of fairy-tales.Originally posted by Phoenix View PostI think Zaev has a totally different interpretation of the agreement than how the Greeks view things, this is the result of trying too hard to be all things to all people, rather than to focus on Macedonia’s priorities...
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I think Zaev has a totally different interpretation of the agreement than how the Greeks view things, this is the result of trying too hard to be all things to all people, rather than to focus on Macedonia’s priorities...Originally posted by Niko777 View PostZoran Zaev - Is he a threat to his own agreement? LOL
Video emerges of what he said in Parliament
VIDEO: https://youtu.be/6B3rT86kP_k
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Zoran Zaev - Is he a threat to his own agreement? LOL
Video emerges of what he said in Parliament
VIDEO: https://youtu.be/6B3rT86kP_k
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That’s what he signed up for...he and every other Macedonian leader after him will be straight jacketed by this agreement...the bitch slapping has only just started, these are the things that the Greeks will use against us in the future to veto our NATO and EU membership...lolOriginally posted by Spirit View PostThe traitorous fuckwit keeps getting bitch slapped so hard by the Greeks. Here’s a link to virtually the same article which goes into a little bit more detail
http://english.republika.mk/greek-po...n-macedonians/
The history of our ‘negotiations’ with the Greeks has been our side making real (and humiliating concessions) and the Greeks making hollow promises to end their veto...and each time our side has given up a little more of our sovereignty and a larger piece of our soul, for ZERO net return...I expect the Greeks to continue with this strategy until they have totally stripped us of our name, identity and dignity...the Greeks have now seen that the fyromians have a price and that they are easily bought...a little more cash to the right people and anything is possible...
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The traitorous fuckwit keeps getting bitch slapped so hard by the Greeks. Here’s a link to virtually the same article which goes into a little bit more detailOriginally posted by Carlin15 View PostZaev remarks puts name deal on rocks
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Athens said it expects the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to fully respect the “letter and spirit” of the name deal it signed with Greece last summer after reports that the Balkan country’s Prime Minister Zoran Zaev said that “Macedonians” in Greece will have the right to be taught the “Macedonian” language.
Athens said it expects the Republic of Macedonia to fully respect the “letter and spirit” of the name deal it signed with Greece last summer after reports that the Balkan country’s Prime Minister Zoran Zaev said that “Macedonians” in Greece will have the right to be taught the “Macedonian” language.
According to news sites mkd.mk and vecer.mk, Zaev’s remarks were made to a lawmaker of the nationalist VMRO party who asked about the fate of so-called “Aegean Macedonians” under the deal – also known as the Prespes agreement.
In response to questions posed by Kathimerini – whether Zaev did indeed refer to “Aegean Macedonians” and their right to be taught “Macedonian,” and if his comments imply the existence of a “Macedonian” minority in Greece – government spokesman Mile Bosnjakovski said that under the Prespes deal his country’s language belongs to the group of southern Slavic languages and that it will become an official language of the European Union when Macedonia joins the bloc.
He also said there are no articles in the deal specifying language use in Macedonia and Greece. He didn’t say whether Zaev referred to “Aegean Macedonians.”
Earlier, Greece’s Alternate Foreign Minister Giorgos Katrougalos said that Athens expects Macedonia to fully respect the name deal it signed with Greece last summer “in letter and spirit” but added that Athens must first see the exact text of Zaev’s remarks.
Greece insists that Macedonia’s insistence on describing the Slavic language of Macedonia as “Macedonian” is tantamount to an attempt to appropriate the heritage of the Greek culture of the ancient Macedonians.
Under the agreement, Macedonia must erase references in its constitution that could lead to irredentist claims to Greece’s northern province of Macedonia.
For its part, opposition New Democracy slammed what it described as Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras’s “provocative” silence on the issue.
The conservatives said in a statement that the Prespes name deal “encourages instead of erasing Skopje’s irredentism.”
“The statement by Zaev about the capability of teaching the so-called Macedonian language in our country is a provocation to all Greeks,” it said.
On Sunday, Macedonia’s Parliament cleared another hurdle on the path leading to deal’s final ratification. The constitutional amendments may be finalized with a two-thirds majority of 80 MPs by the end of January.
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Zaev's total capitulation on this matter, in the form of the agreement he has so enthusiastically handed to the greeks will ensure that this sort of thing will be the millstone around the neck of the Macedonian people into perpetuity.Originally posted by Carlin15 View PostZaev remarks puts name deal on rocks
The 'agreement' hasn't even been enacted by either government and already teams of greeks are scouring for every single breach of the 'contract'...and it will get worse.
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Zaev remarks puts name deal on rocks
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Athens said it expects the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to fully respect the “letter and spirit” of the name deal it signed with Greece last summer after reports that the Balkan country’s Prime Minister Zoran Zaev said that “Macedonians” in Greece will have the right to be taught the “Macedonian” language.
Athens said it expects the Republic of Macedonia to fully respect the “letter and spirit” of the name deal it signed with Greece last summer after reports that the Balkan country’s Prime Minister Zoran Zaev said that “Macedonians” in Greece will have the right to be taught the “Macedonian” language.
According to news sites mkd.mk and vecer.mk, Zaev’s remarks were made to a lawmaker of the nationalist VMRO party who asked about the fate of so-called “Aegean Macedonians” under the deal – also known as the Prespes agreement.
In response to questions posed by Kathimerini – whether Zaev did indeed refer to “Aegean Macedonians” and their right to be taught “Macedonian,” and if his comments imply the existence of a “Macedonian” minority in Greece – government spokesman Mile Bosnjakovski said that under the Prespes deal his country’s language belongs to the group of southern Slavic languages and that it will become an official language of the European Union when Macedonia joins the bloc.
He also said there are no articles in the deal specifying language use in Macedonia and Greece. He didn’t say whether Zaev referred to “Aegean Macedonians.”
Earlier, Greece’s Alternate Foreign Minister Giorgos Katrougalos said that Athens expects Macedonia to fully respect the name deal it signed with Greece last summer “in letter and spirit” but added that Athens must first see the exact text of Zaev’s remarks.
Greece insists that Macedonia’s insistence on describing the Slavic language of Macedonia as “Macedonian” is tantamount to an attempt to appropriate the heritage of the Greek culture of the ancient Macedonians.
Under the agreement, Macedonia must erase references in its constitution that could lead to irredentist claims to Greece’s northern province of Macedonia.
For its part, opposition New Democracy slammed what it described as Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras’s “provocative” silence on the issue.
The conservatives said in a statement that the Prespes name deal “encourages instead of erasing Skopje’s irredentism.”
“The statement by Zaev about the capability of teaching the so-called Macedonian language in our country is a provocation to all Greeks,” it said.
On Sunday, Macedonia’s Parliament cleared another hurdle on the path leading to deal’s final ratification. The constitutional amendments may be finalized with a two-thirds majority of 80 MPs by the end of January.
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Republic of North Macedonia voted for the second time
„Република Северна Македонија“ изгласана по вторпат
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Наместо законски дозволените три дена, на пратениците им беше доволно двојно помалку за расправа по првиот амандман на уставот, со кој државата се преименува во Република Северна Македонија. Повеќето од пријавените за збор се откажаа за дискусиите, а останатите не ја искористија до крај дозволената минутажа. Со 67 гласа „за„, беше изгласан амандманот со кој државата се преименува во сите членови на уставот, освен во членот 36, каде се спомнува во историски контекст. ВМРО ДПМНЕ гласаа против, а четворица пратеници беа воздржани. Најмногу бура предизвика репликата на министерот за надворешни работи, кој коментирајќи ги дискусиите на пратениците од опозицијата, рече дека сме нација со комплекси.
Од ВМРО ДПМНЕ побараа извинување од министерот, но не го добија.
Во расправата по вториот амандман со кој, во Преамбулата на уставот се додава и Рамковниот договор, а одлуките на АСНОМ се заменуваат со прогласот од заседанието, Димитров остави простор за измени. Можно е, во преамбулата да влезат и дел од барањата на опозициските пратеници, но тоа ќе се знае по јавната расправа и мислењето на правните експерти.
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More Zaev bullshit
SKOPJE – “At the moment, we have adapted our legislature and completed much of the work. There are chapters which we are going to open and then immediately close. Nonetheless, everything depends on us and if we push through everything according to plan, I believe Macedonia can join the EU by 2023”, stated Prime Minister […]
And he keeps on spinning the same shit about the identity being protected.
How dumb can this fuck get? Nationality is different from ethnicity. My nationality is Australian but my ethnicity is Macedonian. And he keeps on harping on about being identity being protected, nothing is being protected Zaev you neanderthal inbred fuckwit
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