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  • makedonin
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 1668
    #2326
    So Vangel, basically you say the Greeks don't win cause we gave up the Macedonian language freely? Fife hundred years of subjugation did not achieve what you freely did, congratulation. Mark my words, with the language vanishing, any oportunity for unity is dwindling, similar to the Babel tower episode.

    Just to reiterate RtGs argument: How many Greeks living in foreign countries have gave up their language like the Macedonians have done? Very little to none, I am confident.
    And that does not count for capitulation? Only in your wet dreams.

    So it does not matter how important you think you are, Eddie who started this campaing has more integrity than you have, cause he does what he can, lives in foreign country and preserved the Macedonian language. You in your arrogance highjecked the thread and tried to discredit his work. You are low life, I am ashamed to be associated as Macedonian with someone like you.
    To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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    • Serdarot
      Member
      • Feb 2010
      • 605
      #2327
      Originally posted by George S. View Post
      i've allready sent emails to the primeminister twice no results,I've sent to germany emails & others as well.I'm happy i did & know that i did it.
      fala brat!

      dodeka "deca" ko Eddie prakjaa emaili na youtube i drugi strani, "profesionalci" ko razni kurtoni na forumov gledaa kako da lapnat nekoja fotelja.

      zato ne gi ebam mnogu.

      E bas blagodarekji na "amateri" ko Eddie, denes na tolku mnogu mesta sme REPUBLIKA MAKEDONIJA, a vo drzavata kaj so mnogu "profesionalci" ziveat, ne navreduvaat na milion razni nacini. (da, kaj vas, vo Avstralija, kaj profesionalcite)

      Koj e amater, koj e profesionalec, a koj e kurton i kodosh?

      Eddie i mnogu drugi takvi "deca" se Makedonci ne samo so golemo M, tuku MAKEDONCI.

      Mnogu od arogantnite kurtoni na forumov mozat MNOGU da nauchat od nego!
      Last edited by Serdarot; 02-17-2011, 08:50 PM.
      Bratot:
      Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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      • Vangelovski
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 8532
        #2328
        Originally posted by makedonin View Post
        So Vangel, basically you say the Greeks don't win cause we gave up the Macedonian language freely? Fife hundred years of subjugation did not achieve what you freely did, congratulation. Mark my words, with the language vanishing, any oportunity for unity is dwindling, similar to the Babel tower episode.

        Just to reiterate RtGs argument: How many Greeks living in foreign countries have gave up their language like the Macedonians have done? Very little to none, I am confident.
        And that does not count for capitulation? Only in your wet dreams.

        So it does not matter how important you think you are, Eddie who started this campaing has more integrity than you have, cause he does what he can, lives in foreign country and preserved the Macedonian language. You in your arrogance highjecked the thread and tried to discredit his work. You are low life, I am ashamed to be associated as Macedonian with someone like you.
        I gave Eddie a few suggestions. YOU and Serdarot came in to defend the VENTILATOR.

        Reread my comments re the language, but this time use your brain.
        If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

        The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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        • Vangelovski
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 8532
          #2329
          Originally posted by Serdarot View Post
          But it IS the official state flag, and using it in such actions is neither bad nor contradicting.
          This but ONE instance of Serdarot DEFENDING and JUSTIFYING the VENTILATOR. How quickly he forgets what he wrote!
          If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

          The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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          • indigen
            Senior Member
            • May 2009
            • 1558
            #2330
            Originally posted by Serdarot View Post
            Indigen, kakva diverzija be?

            Daj ne lupaj ti barem.
            Serdare, ajde oladi malku! Temava ne bi trebalo (i ne treba) da se zloupotrebi za niski lichni i megjusebni navredi, nezavisno od kakvi zamisli i chuvstva odredeni poedinici drzhat za koj i da bilo drug na forumov.

            "Deteto", MAKEDONECOT koj na internet koristi sinonim "Eddie Rebel", gi inicira ovie "akcii", ne kako diverzija, tuku kako izraz na Ljubov kon Makedonija.
            Bez razlika koj, kako i zoshto ja "iniciral" (zapochanl) ovaa akcija, pak taa kje sluzhi kako diverzija zatoa shto vo ova vreme treba da se organizira OTPOR na ona shto vekje NI VISI NAD GLAVA - PROMENA NA IMETO NA DRZHAVATA MAKEDONIJA (i mozhebi mnogu povekje, ako e mozhno!). Taa promena na ime kje proizleze odvnatre - VO MAKEDONIJA i tamu treba da se nasochi kakva i da bila politichka energija vo segashen moment.

            Toj NEMA mokj da gi "sredi" tie domashni predavnici i nasi dushmani, ama praj TO SHO MOZHI.
            Kolku shto mozham da zabelezham, "Eddie" e dobar i "krotok" (t.e. ne navreduva lichno nikogo i se odnesuva pravedno) no ne znachi deka ne treba da se predupredi za pogreshnite postapki vo ovaa akcija.

            A kurtonite samo serat i serat.
            Samo da ne ispadne deka eden "Kurton" vika na drugi deka se kurtoni?

            Da im se pluknam na umot sho go nemat.
            Beganje od temata so lichni navredi, po moe viduvanje!

            Ako "eddie" ima tolku energija, neka im se pridruzhi na akcijata za "prekin na pregovorite za imeto", so se site istomislenici od nizava.

            So pochit,
            I.

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            • Vangelovski
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 8532
              #2331
              Originally posted by Serdarot View Post
              Za mene upornoto lazenje i izvrtvanje na zborovi na Vangelovski i impliciranjeto "your cult" beshe golema navreda, pogolema od to da mi reci nekoj "kurton", pa ne reagirashe.
              In relation to the thread where you told us about your religious beliefs, you should read your own posts and see what YOU posted about everyone else's beliefs!

              Further, your religious beliefs are a CULT by all ENGLISH definitions of the word, whether you like it or not. Maybe you should look up the meaning of CULT and compare it to your beliefs. Its nobody's fault that you have chosen to follow that particular belief system!
              If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

              The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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              • Vangelovski
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 8532
                #2332
                Originally posted by indigen View Post
                Bez razlika koj, kako i zoshto ja "iniciral" (zapochanl) ovaa akcija, pak taa kje sluzhi kako diverzija zatoa shto vo ova vreme treba da se organizira OTPOR na ona shto vekje NI VISI NAD GLAVA - PROMENA NA IMETO NA DRZHAVATA MAKEDONIJA (i mozhebi mnogu povekje, ako e mozhno!). Taa promena na ime kje proizleze odvnatre - VO MAKEDONIJA i tamu treba da se nasochi kakva i da bila politichka energija vo segashen moment.
                AGREED! The only way to save Macedonia's name is through ending the negotiations. Other states could not care less and even those who have already recognised our correct state name will change their decisions to reflect any capitulation on Macedonia's behalf. All said, it is a useless deadend activity, made worse with the use of the symbol of shame! Nonetheless, it may have been a good learning curve for Eddie and that is why I provided him with some advice re contacts. However, I could not let the ventilator go unopposed, as it is beyond comprehension why one would defend our national rights on the one hand (state name) and embrace a national disgrace which violates our national rights (ventilator) on the other!

                Then the wise old man (Serdarot) who can't work out the chronological order of years, came in to defend the use of that national disgrace...and here we are.
                Last edited by Vangelovski; 02-17-2011, 09:26 PM.
                If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                • Serdarot
                  Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 605
                  #2333
                  Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                  This but ONE instance of Serdarot DEFENDING and JUSTIFYING the VENTILATOR. How quickly he forgets what he wrote!

                  kodosh

                  citiraj go komplet, i ne vadi od kontekst

                  jasno, kodosh?

                  Vangelovski, as you might presume based on my "avatar", i do NOT like the current official state flag.

                  But it IS the official state flag, and using it in such actions is neither bad nor contradicting.

                  Simply, it is demand sent to diverse states to address the country that has that particular Flag as itīs official (constitutional) symbol (at the moment) with itīs constitutional name.
                  ok, kodosh?

                  a za "kultot" - glup si be "bratuched", to e...

                  ne razbra sho pishav, posho ne sakash d arazberish, poso si KODOSH
                  Last edited by Serdarot; 02-17-2011, 09:35 PM.
                  Bratot:
                  Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                  • Vangelovski
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 8532
                    #2334
                    Serdarot,

                    What you have provided only gives us further evidence of your defence of the ventilator, whereby you justify it as being "constitutional" and "official" and "appropriate" for the action being undertaken. I was going to spare you that part, but thanks for including it! Even when I try to help you old man you still put your foot in it!

                    Just because that act of treason was made "official" it does not lessen the shame. It is still a disgrace and trying to justify it with its "officialdom" as a foundation for your argument only shows us your subservience to an illegitimate law - something which was already pointed out to you by SoM I think.
                    Last edited by Vangelovski; 02-17-2011, 09:42 PM.
                    If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                    The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                    • Serdarot
                      Member
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 605
                      #2335
                      Indigen, so seta pochit, ne seri i ti

                      Da ti povtoram i tebe:

                      blagodarekji na "amateri" ko Eddie, denes na tolku mnogu mesta sme REPUBLIKA MAKEDONIJA, a vo drzavata kaj so mnogu "profesionalci" ziveat, ne navreduvaat na milion razni nacini. (da, kaj vas, vo Avstralija, kaj profesionalcite)
                      megju mestata kade sega ne sme povekje FYROM tuku sme Republika Makedonija e i youtube.

                      Samo na totalni debili ne mozi da im e jasna znacajnosta na taa pobeda.

                      A youtube e SAMO EDNA od takvite pobedi.

                      Duri nie amaterite rabotime, nekoi profesionalci miniraat vakvi inicijativi.

                      Da gi ebam profesionalcite
                      -----

                      Vangelovski, mozis da pisis sho sakash... ostanvash kodosh...

                      nemas kapacitet da ja procitas i svatis recenicata? imas, ama si KODOSH be...

                      Mojot PRV jazik e Makedonski, pa pak ubavo ja razbiram recenicata:

                      diverse states to address the country that has that particular Flag as itīs official (constitutional) symbol (at the moment) with itīs constitutional name.


                      special for you, kodosh:
                      in the country where you, the big profesional (KODOSH) lives, we are insulted and humiliated.

                      now go and do something about, instead of barking

                      ok, kodosh?
                      Last edited by Serdarot; 02-17-2011, 09:46 PM.
                      Bratot:
                      Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                      • Vangelovski
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 8532
                        #2336
                        Originally posted by serdarot View Post
                        samo na totalni debili ne mozi da im e jasna znacajnosta na taa pobeda.
                        Ајде Сердаре, ќе каснам (како што велиме на Англиски)! Објасни ја "значајноста" на овие "победи".
                        If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                        The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                        • Serdarot
                          Member
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 605
                          #2337
                          Na Makedonec ne treba da mu se objasnuva znacajnosta na moznosta namesto da bara nacini kako da go izbegni "fyrom" na youtube i drugi internet stranici, kako zemja na poteklo ili "location" mozi da izberi "Republika Makedonija" ili samo Makedonija.

                          Dali si ti etnichki Makedonec.?
                          Iljadnici mladi lugje ne mora povekje da se sramat od sramnata referenca, i ke svatat deka dokolku storat neshto, ne samo youtube, tuku i drzavi ke moraat da prifatat deka NIE se cuvstvuvame kako Makedonci, NAS izbor e drzavata da ni se vika Makedonija, Jazikot Makedonski, isto kako i Narodot.

                          Toa se vika MOTIVIRANJE so pozitiven primer.

                          Toa se vika vrakjanje na duhot megju mladite Makedonci koi se tolku ugnetuvani i ponizuvani.

                          Ima i pokje, ama tolku sum lut na tebe, sho ne mozam da pisam koncentrirano, zato sho ne mozam da vervam nekoj koj se deklarira kako Makedonec da pravi vakvi diverzii, kakvi ti sho gi pravis.

                          Ama i ova "malku" ne e bas malku, ili?

                          Sho velis, poubo da bevme uste po internet "fyrom"???
                          Bratot:
                          Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                          • Vangelovski
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 8532
                            #2338
                            Originally posted by serdarot View Post
                            na makedonec ne treba da mu se objasnuva znacajnosta na moznosta namesto da bara nacini kako da go izbegni "fyrom" na youtube i drugi internet stranici, kako zemja na poteklo ili "location" mozi da izberi "republika makedonija" ili samo makedonija.

                            Dali si ti etnichki makedonec.?
                            Iljadnici mladi lugje ne mora povekje da se sramat od sramnata referenca, i ke svatat deka dokolku storat neshto, ne samo youtube, tuku i drzavi ke moraat da prifatat deka nie se cuvstvuvame kako makedonci, nas izbor e drzavata da ni se vika makedonija, jazikot makedonski, isto kako i narodot.

                            Toa se vika motiviranje so pozitiven primer.

                            Toa se vika vrakjanje na duhot megju mladite makedonci koi se tolku ugnetuvani i ponizuvani.

                            Ima i pokje, ama tolku sum lut na tebe, sho ne mozam da pisam koncentrirano, zato sho ne mozam da vervam nekoj koj se deklarira kako makedonec da pravi vakvi diverzii, kakvi ti sho gi pravis.

                            Ama i ova "malku" ne e bas malku, ili?

                            Sho velis, poubo da bevme uste po internet "fyrom"???
                            Но во исто време, сакате Вие да се срамиме со вентилаторот!?!? Тоа што на вистина не можам да го разберам е фактот што од една страна сакате да браните право на име, но од друга страна го користите симболот на великопредавсто!
                            Last edited by Vangelovski; 02-17-2011, 10:02 PM.
                            If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                            The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                            • indigen
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2009
                              • 1558
                              #2339
                              Originally posted by Serdarot View Post
                              Indigen, so seta pochit, ne seri i ti

                              Da ti povtoram i tebe:
                              Nema shto da mi povtoruvash i mislam deka ja zakopa temava poradi lichni presmetki so Vangelovski (you are carrying personal baggage of animosity towards Tom that, IMO, needs to be resolved sooner rather than later before you can have any objective forum discussion where he is concerned).

                              megju mestata kade sega ne sme povekje FYROM tuku sme Republika Makedonija e i youtube.
                              Bash ne e taka! Try insight statistics and check for location of viewers and tell us what name is used for Macedonia! Macedonia [FYROM] is what one will see!

                              Samo na totalni debili ne mozi da im e jasna znacajnosta na taa pobeda.
                              A youtube e SAMO EDNA od takvite pobedi.
                              I da e taka (ama ne e!), na KRAJOT pak e DIVERZIJA koga se pregovara za PROMENA NA IMETO OD SAMATA DRZHAVNA VLAST! Barking up the wrong tree or thinking you are winning when in fact you are losing very, very badly (which can also be called a DELUSION!)!

                              Duri nie amaterite rabotime, nekoi profesionalci miniraat vakvi inicijativi.
                              Da gi ebam profesionalcite
                              Taka vikale i pro-jugoslovenskite Makedonci kon DOOMciti i makedonskite nacioanlisti za vreme na SFRJ! Prazni akcii kje izlezat na krajot na krajishtata!

                              -----

                              Vangelovski, mozis da pisis sho sakash... ostanvash kodosh...

                              nemas kapacitet da ja procitas i svatis recenicata?

                              imas, ama si KODOSH be..
                              .

                              Ova lichi na KLEVETA bez osnova!

                              Bez pochit,
                              I.
                              Last edited by indigen; 02-27-2011, 06:54 AM.

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                              • Serdarot
                                Member
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 605
                                #2340
                                Vangelovski, pak ke ti povtoram:

                                Inicijativi od vakov tip se za imeto. Mnogu podobro go znaes angliskiot jazik od mene, navistina ne ja svakjas recenicata?

                                demand sent to diverse states to address the country that has that particular Flag as itīs official symbol with itīs constitutional name.
                                ?

                                aj ke ja prevedam i adaptiram...

                                inicijativi za prakjanje elektronska posta do razni vladi i organizacii, da se obrakjaat na drzavata koja go ima "ventilatorot" za oficijalno zname, so nejzinoto oficijalno ime.

                                "ventilatorot", koj jas licno, nitu go sakam nitu nekogas ke go prifatam kako moj etnicki, nacionalen, drzaven ili bilo kakov drug simbol.

                                kaj vide podrska za ventilatorot???

                                ili samo inaetot se zakaci na ona "official"?
                                Last edited by Serdarot; 02-17-2011, 10:09 PM.
                                Bratot:
                                Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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