Question to the Greeks

[Macedonian_Nationalist]

No food is greek. Everything is borrowed

[Philosopher]

No keep the crayons you will need them when eating Danish Feta that loses its colour and turns from white to yellow. So much for a "white cheese"... .

I'm not sure if anyone knows this, so I will throw it out. The reason cow's milk is not white and requires artificial color is because cows are not able to fully convert the beta-carotene (and alpha et al). from their diet into Vitamin A. So their milk has color to it, namely, orange.

Sheep and goats, however, can fully convert the carotenoids in their diet into Vitamin A, so their milk looks pure white.

Literally, food for thought.

[spitfire]

Spitfire
Not done just yet, just a couple of points to put this matter to to rest.
Can you just acknowledge that "Feta" is not of Greek Origin and is of Italian origin?

As for the European Court, yes I acknowledge the final decision was in favour of Greece, however that was't the point I was making as you can see clearly above...btw the European Courts decision will be valid as long as the EU is valid....not too much longer by the looks of things, then the Greeks will have to try and prove their case in the International Court... I hope, let's see how that goes if it becomes necessary.

See my answer to Philosopher. It's not the word it's the cheese. Let's not go through it once again. It is very clear.

[makedonche]

According to Wikipedia:



So it looks like I am guilty of assuming feta was a Greek word, when it is borrowed from Italian. If what Wikipedia states is true, and I do not trust Wikipedia, it states that feta was produced by Cretans and Vlachs. Now Vlachs are not Greeks at all, but Latin speakers scattered throughout the Balkans.

So in a way, what we have here, is a Greek word of Italian origin and produced by Greeks and Aromanians, and all likelihood borrowed from earlier cheese producing cultures of south west Asia using sheep and goat's milk.

This changes the complexity of this issue dramatically.

Btw, in Macedonia, traditional milk and cheese is made with sheep and goat's milk, similar to the rest of the Balkans and the Middle East. I'm not sure how unique "feta" production in Greece is compared to "white cheese" production in the rest of the Balkans.

Philosopher
Well done!
Impressive research and very useful information here.......it seems the more we delve the less likely it is that "Feta" in words and in "Cheese" isn't Greek, didn't originate from Greece, is not solely manufactured in Greece, is not necessarily consumed in greater quantities in Greece, and not even a solely Greek process of making " Belo Sireinye"

[spitfire]

You should reconsider what you've posted...
I do accept apologies from greeks.

I accept apologies from individuals. I will not call every macedonian wallowing in stupidity just because you happen to do so with other people.

[makedonche]

See my answer to Philosopher. It's not the word it's the cheese. Let's not go through it once again. It is very clear.

Spitfire
Let's do go through it again, the information is piling up that "Feta" isn't Greek, in word or in cheese, unless of course you have a 4,000 year old recipe you can produce that was handed down generation to generation?
It fits in the same category as Greece being the only nation without other ethnicities in it and the modern day Greeks being the descendants of the Ancient Greeks ...and so on...and so on.....and so on!
If you stand back and take a look at the common denominators you'll notice it's all fabrication at best and blatant lie at worst, either way one of the strong common denominators is "denial".

[spitfire]

Spitfire
Let's do go through it again, the information is piling up that "Feta" isn't Greek, in word or in cheese, unless of course you have a 4,000 year old recipe you can produce that was handed down generation to generation?
It fits in the same category as Greece being the only nation without other ethnicities in it and the modern day Greeks being the descendants of the Ancient Greeks ...and so on...and so on.....and so on!
If you stand back and take a look at the common denominators you'll notice it's all fabrication at best and blatant lie at worst, either way one of the strong common denominators is "denial".

If you go through everything I wrote, you will find exactly what I wrote.

If you can't read, or you can't make out what I write, then it's not my problem. It's your problem.

Take for instance the very first comment I made and you will see how this problem of yours occured:

Feta cheese and all its variants is Greek. The origin of the name has received protection. It's like the champagne for the French. The very word "Feta" means "slice" in greek. This is how it should be served. In slices.

You can't find anywhere something that says that the word itself is greek or that the white cheese is greek. It clearly states that feta cheese is greek and all it's variants, meaning the variants of feta cheese. The variants, the sub categories of Feta cheese not white cheese altogether.

Let me help you a little more with this dyslexia of yours (it's OK 20% of the world have it). When one says that a word means something in one language that does not mean that this word is of that language. Just like the word dyslexia is used and means something in english, it doesn't mean it's english.

Therefore I dare you show me where I have made any of those meanings that your dyslectic problem insists I did.
If you don't do so, then you are a LIAR!

[makedonche]

If you go through everything I wrote, you will find exactly what I wrote.

If you can't read, or you can't make out what I write, then it's not my problem. It's your problem.

Take for instance the very first comment I made and you will see how this problem of yours occured:



You can't find anywhere something that says that the word itself is greek or that the white cheese is greek. It clearly states that feta cheese is greek and all it's variants, meaning the variants of feta cheese

Let me help you a little more with this dyslexia of yours (it's OK 20% of the world have it). When one says that a word means something in one language that does not mean that this word is of that language. Just like the word dyslexia is used and means something in english, it doesn't mean it's english.

Therefore I dare you show me where I have made any of those meanings that your dyslectic problems insists I did.
If you don't do so, then you are a LIAR!

Spitfire
Thanks for curing my dyslexia, now let's see if I can cure of your denial,
I'll keep it simple because I can see how you like to twist and turn, avoid and dodge...common traits of denial......here it is for you in big letters so you don't miss it...."feta cheese[/U] is greek and all it's variants
There is nothing Greek about Feta Cheese, not even the name! White cheese made from sheep/goats milk, or a combination of, has been made in the Balkans by many who are not Greek for far longer than it has by Greeks, in typical Greek fashion they saw the opportunity to claim it and did so.....they doesn't make it Greek in Name or Process, it is merely an attempt to claim it by default, because nobody else had done so, more importantly the opportunity was taken so that from that point onward they could "deny" anybody else from claiming it, despite the fact they had made white cheese for probably hundreds if not thousands of years before the platesmashers decided to make it their own.
Good strategy though....ownership by denial...common denominator!

[spitfire]

I see that your dyslectic problem insists, despite the fact that I made it clear what that means.

The variants of FETA CHEESE not the variants of white cheese.

But your problem insists. I can't help you anymore. You need professional help. Go see a doctor.

[makedonche]

Spitfire
I liked this one in particular ...

"It clearly states that feta cheese is greek and all it's variants, meaning the variants of feta cheese. The variants, the sub categories of Feta cheese not white cheese altogether."

By your definition the Danish/German/Bugarian/Australian " Feta" is all Greek Feta, regardless of where or how it's made, colour or other characteristics?

[spitfire]

Did you return from the doctor already? You should have stayed longer from what I see.

The variants of feta cheese as in the feta cheese from a barel or a can, the feta that has a more distinct "peppery" taste than other feta cheese and so on.

Still don't get it? Blame the doctor.

[makedonche]

I see that your dyslectic problem insists, despite the fact that I made it clear what that means.

The variants of FETA CHEESE not the variants of white cheese.

But your problem insists. I can't help you anymore. You need professional help. Go see a doctor.

Spitfire
You may be right, help me some more with my dyslexia it obviously isn't cured, particularly the "denial" part of it.

"The variants of FETA CHEESE not the variants of white cheese."...... this is the part I'm having trouble with, can you help me get over my denial please, I actually thought "White Cheese" made from sheep/goats milk or a combination of both, was the same thing? Please explain how they're different, I'm having a lot of difficulty with this!

[makedonche]

Did you return from the doctor already? You should have stayed longer from what I see.

The variants of feta cheese as in the feta cheese from a barel or a can, the feta that has a more distinct "peppery" taste than other feta cheese and so on.

Still don't get it? Blame the doctor.

Spitfire
No I'm still having trouble with that due to dyslexia, at least I'm not a liar, it's obviously the dyslexia?
I still can't read anything in your above explanation that the other countries aren't doing as well - I can get Danish/Bulgarian/Australian feta in a barrel or a can, or peppery Danish/Bulgarian/Australian Feta also!
Help me out here what is the actual difference between the various "fetta" cheeses from the different manufacturers?

[spitfire]

In order to name Feta Cheese something it needs to be in accordance with the european rules. It has to be made in Greece in certain areas and certain procedures.
This type of white cheese is called Feta cheese and no other. If somebody else makes white cheese and names it Feta cheese, then it is illegal. Because it's not the same, as the simillarity has to meet certain standards which are clearly stated.

Now I understand your objections to this, but hey, you gotta live with it. I don't know how you do it, but you'll do it.
What is even more clear is that I will do it.

[makedonche]

In order to name Feta Cheese something it needs to be in accordance with the european rules. It has to be made in Greece in certain areas and certain procedures.
This type of white cheese is called Feta cheese and no other. If somebody else makes white cheese and names it Feta cheese, then it is illegal. Because it's not the same, as the simillarity has to meet certain standards which are clearly stated.

Now I understand your objections to this, but hey, you gotta live with it. I don't know how you do it, but you'll do it.
What is even more clear is that I will do it.

Spitfire
Firstly thank you for your civilised response, secondly thank you for the clarification of the requirements to qualify(under European Union rules) to name "Feta Cheese", my dyslexia is cured!
I hope you can see the futility in the abovementioned " European Rules"
Surely if Feta Cheese is made with a list of ingredients arising from certain locations/processes/animals/temperature/climate/breeds - but is made elsewhere other than Greece, it can also be Feta Cheese?