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    WTF????

    Was Breitbart’s Coroner Poisoned to Death?


    Medical examiners in Los Angeles are investigating the possible poisoning death of one of their own officials who may have worked on the case of Andrew Breitbart, the conservative firebrand who died March 1, the same day Sheriff Joe Arpaio announced probable cause for forgery in President Obama’s birth certificate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Jmd5iawrZys

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    • Brian
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      Richard Stallman: CISPA nearly abolishes people’s right not to be unreasonably searched

      Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

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      • Brian
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        More on CISPA.

        It's got to be stopped.

        Top 5 Biggest Concerns About CISPA

        But what's the big deal with this bill? How might it affect the average Web user?


        April 27, 2012
        The House on Thursday opted for an earlier-than-expected vote on the controversial CISPA bill, which now moves to the Senate. But what's the big deal with this bill? How might it affect the average Web user?
        The Cyber Information Sharing & Protection Act (CISPA) is intended to allow for information-sharing between private companies and the government in the event of a cyber attack. In defending the bill recently, Facebook argued that it and other tech firms are limited in what they can share when a cyber scammer strikes.

        "When one company detects an attack, sharing information about that attack promptly with other companies can help protect those other companies and their users from being victimized by the same attack," Joel Kaplan, vice president of U.S. public policy at Facebook, argued in a blog post.

        But what information are we talking about? My Facebook photos? Google searches? Cloud-based files? That's the concern of opponents - from the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the ACLU to the White House. Basically, they fear that CISPA will give tech companies carte blanche to hand over all user data in the name of cyber security - without those users' permission.

        But there are also some very specific concerns about what CISPA will and won't do. We break down a few of the top ones.

        1. Immunity: CISPA offers "good faith" immunity to companies that identify and report a cyber-security issue to the feds. But, the EFF argued, the definition of good faith is very vague, "which is likely to make difficult any attempt at litigating against companies" that might put your data at risk. During a floor debate this week, Rep. Jared Polis suggested that CISPA incentivizes companies to hand over any and all data just to secure this immunity.

        2. Military, NSA Access to Data: Detrators fear that CISPA will allow for companies to hand over data to any branch of the government - including the military and the National Security Agency. In objecting to the bill this week, the White House argued that CISPA "effectively treats domestic cybersecurity as an intelligence activity and thus, significantly departs from longstanding efforts to treat the Internet and cyberspace as civilian spheres." Instead, the Department of Homeland Security, the administration said, should play a "central role" in cyber-security issues. In attempting to address this issue, the House approved an amendment that calls on the Inspector General in his required report about CISPA to list "all federal agencies receiving information shared with the government," but it doesn't expressly stop agencies like the NSA from viewing the data.

        3. Just the Beginning: Though bill sponsors argue that they have no nefarious intentions with CISPA, opponents are mainly concerned with its unintended consequences. As ACLU legislative counsel Michelle Richardson argued last night, "once the government gets expansive national security authorities, there's no going back." In its statement, the Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT) said it was concerned that CISPA does not address the use of data "for national security purposes unrelated to cybersecurity."

        4. Bypassing Existing Laws: A common theme on the House floor and in CISPA-related statements from privacy groups is that the bill overrides privacy, wiretap, and surveillance laws that are already on the books. "Without clear legal protections and independent oversight, information sharing legislation will undermine the public's trust in the Government as well as in the Internet by undermining fundamental privacy, confidentiality, civil liberties, and consumer protections," the White House said.

        5. GOP Ignoring Amendments: Members of Congress opposed to CISPA have complained that House leadership did not allow votes on amendments that would have addressed some of their concerns. "Such momentous issues deserved a vote of the full House," CDT argued. During a floor debate yesterday, however, Rep. Richard Nugent said that the process was "a perfect example of how this House is supposed to work," while other supporters noted that CISPA was passed out of committee with a vote of 17 to 1.

        CISPA has drawn comparisons to another controversial cyber-security bill, the Stop Online Piracy Act. For more, see the top concerns people had with SOPA (and its companion bill, PIPA) at the time. Do you have any concerns with CISPA? Let us know in the comments.

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        • Brian
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          • Oct 2011
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          You can take off that eye-patch now, Jankovska.
          I hope the rest of us wont have to.

          U.K. High Court Orders ISPs to Block The Pirate Bay

          The U.K.'s High Court has ruled that five ISPs in the region must block file-sharing site The Pirate Bay for copyright violations.




          April 30, 2012
          The U.K.'s High Court has ruled that five ISPs in the region must block file-sharing site The Pirate Bay for copyright violations.
          Sky, Everything Everywhere, TalkTalk, O2, and Virgin Media must block the website within the next few weeks, according to the British Phonographic Industry (BPI), Britain's music industry trade group.
          "We can confirm we have received a court order which we plan to comply with," Orange, which runs Everything Everywhere with T-Mobile, said in a statement.
          "We have received a court order requiring us to block access to The Pirate Bay," TalkTalk also confirmed. "We will comply with the decision made by the court and are in the process of doing this. TalkTalk have always maintained that we are not in principle against blocking provided there is a court order."
          "Virgin Media has received an order from the Courts requiring it to prevent access to The Pirate Bay in order to help protect against copyright infringement," the company said. "As a responsible ISP, Virgin Media complies with court orders addressed to the company but strongly believes that changing consumer behavior to tackle copyright infringement also needs compelling legal alternatives, such as our agreement with Spotify, to give consumers access to great content at the right price."
          Virgin said it will start implementing the block within two weeks.
          O2, meanwhile, said "we have no option but to comply with this order."
          "On the wider point about copyright infringement, we have always said that music rights holders should continue to develop new online business models to give consumers the content they want, how they want it, for a fair price," O2 continued.
          Sky did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
          Music Industry vs. Pirate Bay
          BPI first went after The Pirate Bay in July 2011, when it demanded that the site stop infringing on its members' content, to no avail. The organization then asked the ISPs to voluntarily block The Pirate Bay, but the companies refused to do so without a court order. As a result, BPI asked the court in December to require blocking.
          In February, the U.K. High Court ruled that The Pirate Bay violates copyright regulations. "They go far beyond merely enabling or assisting," Justice Arnold said at the time. This week's ruling goes one step further to actual require that ISPs block The Pirate Bay.
          "The High Court has confirmed that The Pirate Bay infringes copyright on a massive scale," BPI CEO Geoff Taylor said in a statement. "Its operators line their pockets by commercially exploiting music and other creative works without paying a penny to the people who created them. This is wrong - musicians, sound engineers, and video editors deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else."
          The Pirate Bay has not yet addressed the ruling on its blog or Facebook page. After the February ruling, however, the site was defiant, arguing that the High Court was corrupt and "technically uneducated."
          That ruling came about a month after The Pirate Bay started shifting away from torrent files to another format, dubbed "magnets," a more modern way of sharing data that may help it go further underground.
          "As we've said before, the 29th of february is the last day we offer torrents in it's [sic] current form. Then it will be all magnets, which works pretty much the same," the group wrote on its Facebook page. "Before you go 'oh ma goood why why why?!!!11', please understand that it's a necessary move in the saga known as The Pirate Bay. Not having torrents will be a bit cheaper for us but it will also make it harder for our common enemies to stop us (which they can't. but everything that makes it harder for them brings more lolz to our lips)."
          Earlier this year, Sweden's Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal from the founders of The Pirate Bay – Peter Sunde, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, Fredrik Neij, and Carl Lundstrom – who were found guilty of copyright infringement in April 2009.
          The founders were sentenced to one year in prison, and hit with fines of about $32 million Swedish kroner (about $4.5 million) for their involvement in The Pirate Bay P2P site.

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          • Brian
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            • Oct 2011
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            Some people say these posts are a distraction but I like to think of it as 'the bigger wind' - your local 'weather' is obviously affected by local conditions but many times 'storms' come from far away and the will and do affect your local 'weather'. I think I would rather know about things than not. Having it here on the MTO in a concise format allows you to see wider through a single 'lens' to more quickly consider it's importance to you and your local area.

            Many people have said 9/11 is an "inside job" - did the government do it?
            Sometime guilt by association can be useful.


            "Order Out of Chaos" is the Phoenix principle - to destroy a society/world in order to remove parts of it seen as 'unfavourable' to make room for new parts in order to create a new and 'better' society/world.

            Let's look at London and the 7/7 attack.

            Terror Expert: London Bombings Mastermind is MI6 Asset
            Group was used by Brits in Kosovo in the late 90s

            (which of course lead to the Kosovo war which lead to the flood of ethnic Albanian refugees (150000 to 300000 depending on who you listen to) which lead to Crvenkovski granting Macedonia citizenship to about 100000 to 1500000 at least which lead to a MASSIVE change in the demographics of Macedonian society which lead to the 2001 war which lead to the Framework Agreement which is threatening to destroy Macedonia today. Al Qaeda is a proven fraud and Hamas is a Mossad creation, so do we have a "War on Terror" or a war for terror? - cui bonno! ie who benefits? )

            Infowars | August 2 2005
            By Steve Watson



            The Dud Bombers of 21/7, the patsies, have all been rounded up along with 18 others currently under questioning, yet the so called "mastermind" is allowed to go free and is protected time and time again by MI5, MI6, FBI and CIA. The same thing happened in 93 with the WTC bombing, 95 with the OKC bombing, 01 with 911 and its happening again, its the same type of operation EVERYTIME.

            The July 29 edition of FOX News Channel's Day Side programme revealed that the so called mastermind of the 7/7 London Bombings, Haroon Rashid Aswat, is a British Intelligence Asset. Former Justice Dept. prosecutor and Terror expert John Loftus revealed that the so called Al-Muhajiroun group, based in London had formed during the Kosovo crisis, during which Fundamentalist Muslim Leaders (Or what is now referred to as Al Qaeda) were recruited by MI6 to fight in Kosovo.

            Loftus stated that "...back in the late 1990s, the leaders all worked for British intelligence in Kosovo. Believe it or not, British intelligence actually hired some Al-Qaeda guys to help defend the Muslim rights in Albania and in Kosovo. That's when Al-Muhajiroun got started."

            We have previously revealed how former MI5 officer David Shayler has alleged, and French intel sources have corroborated, that the MI6 paid a Libyan al-Qa'ida cell £100,000 in 1995 to assassinate colonel Qaddafi. The use of the group that has come to be known as "Al Qaeda" as assets by Intelligence services the world over is well documented.

            The London Independent also reported 2 days before the London Bombings how MI5 has previously used so called Al Qaeda operatives as informants, allowing them to be left alone as a trade off.

            This only came to light when Bisher al-Rawi was captured by the CIA and taken to the detention centre at Guantanamo Bay. The original Independent link has now mysteriously been removed.

            John Loftus went on to spell out that British Intelligence and the US dept of Justice had protected Haroon Rashid Aswat: "Back in 1999 he came to America. The Justice Department wanted to indict him in Seattle because him and his buddy were trying to set up a terrorist training school in Oregon... we've just learned that the headquarters of the US Justice Department ordered the Seattle prosecutors not to touch Aswat... , apparently Aswat was working for British intelligence"


            Haroon Aswat, the so called mastermind of the London bombings with Radical cleric Abu Hamza al Masri in a London cab on Jan. 20, 1999.

            This information is startling and again highlights how Al Qaeda exists as an organized body only where the intelligence services have created, funded and employed it. Loftus points out that several weeks before the London Bombings, Aswat was again located by the South African Intel agency but again allowed to slip away, this time to London:

            "He was a British intelligence plant. So all of a sudden he disappears. He's in South Africa. We think he's dead; we don't know he's down there. Last month the South African Secret Service come across the guy. He's alive...the Brits know that the CIA wants to get a hold of Haroon. So what happens? He takes off again, goes right to London. He isn't arrested when he lands, he isn't arrested when he leaves... He's on the watch list. The only reason he could get away with that was if he was working for British intelligence. He was a wanted man."

            Loftus' information is backed up by the New York Times and CNN who reported on this incident also.

            We have seen this many times before and have continued to expose this kind of activity. Mr Aswat is not the only "Al Qaeda operative" who has been protected While in the US - the 19 9/11 hijackers and their associate Zaccharias Moussaoui seem to have been as well. FBI Agent Robert Wright blew the whistle on obstruction of counterterrorism investigations targeting Hamas and al-Qaeda before 911. The sabotage by the highest levels in the FBI of Coleen Rowley's desperate attempt to investigate Moussaoui, for instance, is a striking parallel to the "hands-off" order regarding Aswat, and it's far from being the only one. The CIA met with Bin Laden in July 2001 in a Dubai hospital where he was being treated for Kidney problems. They gleaned detailed information regarding possible massive terror attacks on the US, yet Bin Laden was allowed to slip away (either that or he passed away). Bin Laden is or was a known CIA Asset.

            Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mysteriously arrested as the alleged mastermind behind the September 11 plot, was granted a visa to enter the US just six weeks before the terrorist attacks in Washington and New York. The American Al Qaeda operative, Iyman Faris, who planned to bring down the Brooklyn Bridge was also revealed to be an FBI operative. We also have several other reports staing how the men used as hijackers on the planes on 911 were monitored before the event and allowed to enter the US. They were even trained at US flight schools.



            Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

            After 911 these so called terrorists have been allowed to go on with business as usual, despite the "war on terror" and in many instances have been protected. It seems that the authorities find it more useful to restrict the liberties of law abiding citizens by introducing draconian restrictive laws such as the Patriot act and Free speech zoning, whilst allowing those they label as terrorists to go undetected.

            Haroon Rashid Aswat allegedly left London for Pakistan on July 6, one day before the London bombing. He was then arrested in Pakistan, but released AGAIN within 24 hours. He reportedly traveled to Zimbabwe and then Zambia, where he may have been arrested again (conflicting reports). Why does the so called mastermind of 7/7 keep being released and allowed to slip away? It the same type of operation over and over again.


            FULL TRANSCRIPT: The July 29 edition of FOX News Channel's Day Side programme:

            MIKE JERRICK [FOX NEWS]: John Loftus is a terrorism expert and a former prosecutor for the Justice Department. John, good to see you again. So real quickly here, have you heard anything about this Osman Hussain who was just picked up in Rome? You know that name at all?

            JOHN LOFTUS: Yeah, all these guys should be going back to an organization called Al-Muhajiroun, which means The Emigrants. It was the recruiting arm of Al-Qaeda in London; they specialized in recruiting kids whose families had emigrated to Britain but who had British passports. And they would use them for terrorist work.

            JERRICK: So a couple of them now have Somali connections?

            LOFTUS: Yeah, it was not unusual. Somalia, Eritrea, the first group of course were primarily Pakistani. But what they had in common was they were all emigrant groups in Britain, recruited by this Al-Muhajiroun group. They were headed by the, Captain Hook, the imam in London the Finsbury Mosque, without the arm. He was the head of that organization. Now his assistant was a guy named Aswat, Haroon Rashid Aswat.

            JERRICK: Aswat, who they picked up.

            LOFTUS: Right, Aswat is believed to be the mastermind of all the bombings in London.

            JERRICK: On 7/7 and 7/21, this is the guy we think.

            LOFTUS: This is the guy, and what's really embarrassing is that the entire British police are out chasing him, and one wing of the British government, MI6 or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him. And this has been a real source of contention between the CIA, the Justice Department, and Britain.

            JERRICK: MI6 has been hiding him. Are you saying that he has been working for them?

            LOFTUS: Oh I'm not saying it. This is what the Muslim sheik said in an interview in a British newspaper back in 2001.

            JERRICK: So he's a double agent, or was?

            LOFTUS: He's a double agent.

            JERRICK: So he's working for the Brits to try to give them information about Al-Qaeda, but in reality he's still an Al-Qaeda operative.

            LOFTUS: Yeah. The CIA and the Israelis all accused MI6 of letting all these terrorists live in London not because they're getting Al-Qaeda information, but for appeasement. It was one of those you leave us alone, we leave you alone kind of things.

            JERRICK: Well we left him alone too long then.

            LOFTUS: Absolutely. Now we knew about this guy Aswat. Back in 1999 he came to America. The Justice Department wanted to indict him in Seattle because him and his buddy were trying to set up a terrorist training school in Oregon.

            JERRICK: So they indicted his buddy, right? But why didn't they indict him?

            LOFTUS: Well it comes out, we've just learned that the headquarters of the US Justice Department ordered the Seattle prosecutors not to touch Aswat.

            JERRICK: Hello? Now hold on, why?

            LOFTUS: Well, apparently Aswat was working for British intelligence. Now Aswat's boss, the one-armed Captain Hook, he gets indicted two years later. So the guy above him and below him get indicted, but not Aswat. Now there's a split of opinion within US intelligence. Some people say that the British intelligence fibbed to us. They told us that Aswat was dead, and that's why the New York group dropped the case. That's not what most of the Justice Department thinks. They think that it was just again covering up for this very publicly affiliated guy with Al-Muhajiroun. He was a British intelligence plant. So all of a sudden he disappears. He's in South Africa. We think he's dead; we don't know he's down there. Last month the South African Secret Service come across the guy. He's alive.

            JERRICK: Yeah, now the CIA says, oh he's alive. Our CIA says OK let's arrest him. But the Brits say no again?

            LOTFUS: The Brits say no. Now at this point, two weeks ago, the Brits know that the CIA wants to get a hold of Haroon. So what happens? He takes off again, goes right to London. He isn't arrested when he lands, he isn't arrested when he leaves.

            JERRICK: Even though he's on a watch list.

            LOFTUS: He's on the watch list.The only reason he could get away with that was if he was working for British intelligence. He was a wanted man.

            JERRICK: And then takes off the day before the bombings, I understand it--

            LOFTUS: And goes to Pakistan.

            JERRICK: And Pakistan, they jail him.

            LOFTUS: The Pakistanis arrest him. They jail him. He's released within 24 hours. Back to Southern Africa, goes to Zimbabwe and is arrested in Zambia. Now the US--

            JERRICK: Trying to get across the--

            LOFTUS: --we're trying to get our hands on this guy.

            JERRICK: John, hang around. I have so many questions now.

            LOFTUS: Oh, this is a bad one....

            [commercial break]

            JERRICK: On the phone with us, Mansoor Ijaz; Mansoor you know very well here at Fox News Channel and Dayside. Mansoor, real quickly here, you spent so much time in London, you're probably not that as impressed as I am about how fast Scotland Yard has worked on this case. So impressive, so successful. Why?

            MANSOOR IJAZ: Well there are two things that a lot of domestic intelligence agencies don't around the world. One is an extraordinarily detailed database of information, and that database is buttressed by the fact that they have these photos, the graphic images of the faces of the people that they were looking for. So it saved them a lot of time when they got the forensic evidence, like fingerprints or other things that indicated where they could actually go find these people. Because remember, there was a lot of data left on the stuff these guys left behind from the failed bombing attack, and that's what helped to really unravel the cell. Now--

            JERRICK: I guess--go ahead, Mansoor.

            IJAZ: Now I think there's one very important thing that I think everybody needs to know. And that is that the cellular structure that this new breed of Al-Qaeda people have is such that there is not a clear indication that they all knew each other as much as it is that they had some sort of central control still sitting outside of the framework. Whether that's in a foreign country or a place that is removed from Britain and other place in Europe, that's what we're still looking for. But it's very clear now that these cellular structures were operating independent of each other, but with knowledge that something else was in fact planned in the pipeline.

            JERRICK: Real quick, Mansoor. In that regard, maybe a ringleader could be this Haroon Aswat. What do you know about him?

            IJAZ: Well, he's a pretty bad guy, and I think your previous guest gave the best assessment of who he is. He's the right hand man of the Al-Muhajiroun leader in London, and has been organizing and planning for some time. And I don't want to minimize the effect of the arrest in Rome, because what that indicates is that the cellular structure is elsewhere and we all know that Italy is a big target on their list.

            JERRICK: OK, speaking of him, back to the comments by our John Loftus a little while ago. A question from the audience for you, John. Go ahead.

            AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi Mr Loftus. I recently read a book by Morris Dees called The Gathering Storm , and it talks about extremist militia groups in the United States and how they might be manipulated by some people's rhetoric, very similar to Aswat in London. What do you think the US is doing to prevent terrorist attacks on our own soil that happen--

            JERRICK: You're worried about it here?

            AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes, sir.

            LOFTUS: The US government's doing a great job. We arrested the New York branch of Al-Muhajiroun two years ago. We found the subway bombers with the plans to blow up two different subway stations in New York City. The rest of the group is under surveillance. But the US was used by Al-Muhajiroun for training of people to send to Kosovo. What ties all these cells together was, back in the late 1990s, the leaders all worked for British intelligence in Kosovo. Believe it or not, British intelligence actually hired some Al-Qaeda guys to help defend the Muslim rights in Albania and in Kosovo. That's when Al-Muhajiroun got started.

            IJAZ: Which is by the way why we know so much about them right now.

            LOFTUS: Yes, I'm afraid so. The CIA was funding the operation to defend the Muslims, British intelligence was doing the hiring and recruiting. Now we have a lot of detail on this because Captain Hook, the head of Al-Muhajiroun, he sidekick was Bakri Mohammed, another cleric. And back on October 16, 2001, he gave a detailed interview with al-Sharq al-Aswat, an Arabic newspaper in London, describing the relationship between British intelligence and the operations in Kosovo and Al-Muhajiroun. So that's how we get all these guys connected. It started in Kosovo, Haroon was 31 years old, he came on about 1995.

            JERRICK: OK. Here's another question for you.

            AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hello, John. With the quid-pro-quo relationship that London obviously had with these terrorists early on, what changed that caused them to all of a sudden get away from the you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone situation?

            LOFTUS: The Israelis say that the truce went on for years. Guys from Al-Muhajiroun for example would bring suicide bombers to Israel to blow up Mike's Place. There was a definite link there. And yet the trainer, Sadiki Al Kahn, was able to go back to Britain and not be touched. What the Israelis believe happened is that Usama Bin Laden got desperate, and he said burn all our bridges--let's turn on the British. Break the truce, start the bombs.

            JERRICK: Speaking of Usama Bin Laden, Mansoor, real quickly, maybe Scotland Yard and those folks over there, the Brits, should be looking for Usama Bin Laden. They seem to be so successful.

            LOFTUS: The British police do a remarkable job.

            IJAZ: Well, that's an interesting comment. The fact of the matter is, when you're dealing with it in your own backyard, and you have the computer infrastructure set up in such a way that you can immediately track these kinds of things that are in your backyard, it's a very different game from tracking them on places where we don't even have mountain maps any more of how the whole thing looks. So that's really what the fundamental problem is. If you'll permit me, I just want to, Mike, make one other very quick point.

            JERRICK: Mansoor, can you hang over, do you have time hang over for a 30-second break here? John Loftus, got to cut you loose but thanks for the info. Boy, interesting stuff John...

            [commercial break]

            JERRICK: We have some more information from our Mansoor Ijaz, Fox News Foreign Affairs Analyst. Mansoor, still on the phone with me?

            IJAZ: Yeah, I'm here with you Mike.

            JERRICK: Talk about your information from British intel.

            IJAZ: Well, let's not characterize the sources quite that way, but I've talked to some people who are analyzing what came out of the raids today, and there's a great deal of concern about the fact that there may be in fact a desire of these cells to move beyond transit systems as the target. And what specifically they found was evidence that indicates they're looking at now places where there are large collections of people, where they can actually take shopping bags and other large carrying bags of sorts without raising a lot of suspicion. Obviously shopping malls come immediately to mind, but it's important for everybody to know that London was planning on having a large I think it's a City Fair or something like that, I don't know what exactly it's called. They've now decided to go ahead with that, but it's obviously going to be much more scrutinized than it would have been before. Now London doesn't in general have a lot of large shopping malls, but they do have large concentrations of people in places at certain times during the week, and that's what apparently now has become the target, one of the new targets of these terrorist cells.

            JERRICK: So Mansoor, when you hear that we have four for four, or four for five of these 7/21 bombers, nobody should fool themselves. This thing isn't over.

            IJAZ: That is precisely the point I wanted to make sure everybody understood--that the authorities, the people that are worried about this and that are analyzing the data out of what they're getting in these raids, are basically saying we may have just hit the tip of the iceberg. This is not over by a long shot.

            JERRICK: Mansoor, thank you for making that perfectly clear. Talk to you soon.
            It's Democide.

            "When the Government fears the People there is liberty, when the People fear the Government there is tyranny."
            Thomas Jefferson, Statesman.
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            • Voltron
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              • Jan 2011
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              JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon: We were 'dead wrong' to dismiss trading concerns


              After a 2 billion loss....Oops ? Spilled a glass of milk there Jamie ?
              Hey, I thought we Greeks were the most incompetent bunch on this planet. Its ok though, you guys are exempt from mistakes. Its only us peasants that have to give our house away when when we make bad judgement calls.



              Look at this stuck on stupid look^ and this is supposed to be a CEO of a global banking power ? Unbelievable, what a dumbfuck...

              "We made a terrible, egregious mistake," Jamie Dimon said in an interview broadcast Sunday on NBC's "Meet The Press." "There's almost no excuse for it."

              "I was dead wrong when I said that. I obviously didn't know, 'cause I never would have said that. And one of the reasons we came public was because we wanted to say, "You know what? We told you something that was completely wrong a mere four weeks ago.'"

              "We got very defensive. And people started justifying everything we did,'' Dimon said.

              "So we've had audit, legal, risk, compliance, some of our best people looking over that. We know we were sloppy. We know we were stupid. We know there was bad judgment. We don't know if any of that's true yet. And of course regulators should look at something like this."

              "Absolutely. This is a very unfortunate and inopportune time to have had this kind of mistake, yeah."
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              • Brian
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                • Oct 2011
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                I've spoken of False Flags before. Those of you that have been followed this thread would be familiar with the knowledge that this is FACT. If you still don't believe False Flags happen then review the material before proceeding.

                False Flags have been used by governments to create a desired perception of reality in order to persuade the public that a certain course of action (favoured by the government) is the correct action to be taken even if it is painful or dangerous.

                This altered perception of reality (although obviously false) goes down in history as fact (including being taught in schools) and in effect creates a belief in a myth which can become so ingrained into the minds of people that noone ever questions it. Governments can and do encourage the belief in some myths for political advantage/reasons.

                A good example of this 'Myth as Fact Belief System' is that of Alexander the Great and Ancient Macedonians were Greek. How many times have you heard, "everyone knows that" or "go read an encyclopaedia" or "every major historian says that". A widespread and deeply believed myth can be very difficult to refute and with the right propaganda perpetuated almost indefinitely.

                "And the truth shall set you free".

                Hard evidence is what can destroy a myth but it also needs to be spread to all the people that have heard the myth in order to effectively expunge the myth from the history books and relegate it to where it belongs, as a footnote that it was a lie that once many people believed.

                Many of us would have heard of the First Amendment in the Constitution of the United States of America that guarantees the right of the individual to free speech. Most advance countries have similar laws. This right to free speech is essential if history is to be challenged and myths destroyed.

                The danger to any society is when laws are passed forbidding the questioning of any historical fact/myth and the spreading of any new information about it. Such laws have been passed in many advance countries with one topic in particular - the Holocaust. Why has ONLY this subject been given such protected status? Cannot, and should not, ALL history be allowed to be challenged and allowed to stand or fall on it's merits? Does not alone the fact that such laws forbidding the questioning of the Holocaust have been created in many countries in itself put into doubt the very subject they are meant to protect? Noone to date has received a jail sentence for questioning the widespread belief that Ancient Macedonians (well, maybe in Greece you might) were Greeks or ANY other subject, so why on this subject?

                In the book (and later movie) "1984" George Orwell, the author, describes a futuristic world where "thought police" will arrest you for the crime of thinking anything you were told by the State to be true was untrue. Naturally the question arises how are we to know what is the truth if we are NOT allowed to at least question what the State has told us? We know from the FACT that False Flags exist that the State has lied to the Public about them for political advantage in manipulating the thinking of the Public and also who has not heard a politician lie before? Thus if the State is a proven liar (like Phoenix) and it is the State that creates a law forbidding the questioning of ONLY this one subject in history cannot we view this as 'a known liar has forbidding me (with severe punishment) from questioning him about one subject' and does this not put a greater emphasis on the WHY have you strictly forbidden me ONLY this question and for this reason alone how much should I believe/doubt you on this subject?

                Although the following video is about the Holocaust being a lie, most of the time is spent discussing how the government has tried it's hand at thought control. Even if you believe in the Holocaust the video is still extremely interesting from the 'thought control' angle alone. Anyone interested in the right to free speech will find it interesting from this point of view.

                If you remember it was David Irving (the speaker in the video) who proved the so called "Hitler Diaries" were outright falsifications. In another of his videos he speaks of the politics of carrier academic historians and how more often than not they cite earlier works of other historians in their works/books and how they have a vested interest in doing this in order to retain their positions in Universities and other institutes of higher learning. I found that point to be a very interesting fact (although he doesn't say it) in light of the letter written to President Obama by a number of academic historians urging him to revoke the USA's recognition of the Republic of Macedonia under President Bush (jr.) for "the sake of historical accuracy". His videos are thought provoking to say the least and if you are a believer that the truth should be known regardless of where it may take you then I think you will find this video of his, and otheres on YouTube, very interesting.

                Also see Post 499 "Spielberg's Hoax - The Last Days of The Big Lie".

                It makes you wonder why would Speilberg, a prominent and highly respected film-maker, feel the need to risk damaging his reputation (and doing it) by using lies in his documentary about the Holocaust. Wouldn't such a subject (also protected by law) be able to stand on it's own merits without the need for such a prominent person like Speilberg to use lies to support it?

                David Irving has offered $1000-00 to the first person to disprove his works. To this date the offer remain unclaimed. He has been writing and giving speeches since the 1960's and with so many historians out there you would think that one would have claimed that prize in all those years or that ANY Jew would have tried proving him wrong merely out of pride alone even without the $1000-00 prize.

                David Irving - The Holocaust Lie
                David Irving - The Holocaust Lie - YouTube
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                • Brian
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                  • Oct 2011
                  • 1130

                  You gotta laugh, this article is so true and more (all) countries should have done the same. If a little place like Iceland could do it why not others - no guts (or brains?) to stand up to their governments and just say NO - are you reading Voltron? Looks like the 'Macedonian problem' is contagious but still Macedonia leads with a highest concentration of cases per capita. Must be the extreme cold in Iceland that kills off the virus causing balls to shrink everywhere else.

                  Iceland, the only country to defeat the EU and Global Banksters



                  12 May 2012
                  No news from Iceland for over a year? Why is that we hear everything that happens in Egypt, or the 400 daily reports that come out of Syria?
                  How come there is a complete blackout on any news from Iceland? Remember the country was blackmailed by banksters and few powerful countries into bankruptcy.

                  To put it simply, the Icelandic took care of everything, and they did it swiftly.
                  The people of Iceland forced their corrupt government to resign, the primary banks have been quickly nationalized, it was decided to not pay the debt that these banks created with Great Britain and Holland due to their bad financial politics and ... here is the fascinating part... a public assembly has been created to rewrite the constitution.

                  And all of this in a peaceful way. The Icelanders started a whole revolution (unreported by MSM) against the powers that created the current global crisis. This is why there hasn’t been any publicity during the last two years: What would happen if the rest of the EU citizens took this as an example? What would happen if the US citizens took this as an example? But these Governments keep their citizens busy with new wars and groping them at Airports (highways are next). Watch Wag the Dog!

                  This is a summary of the facts:

                  2008. The main bank of the country is nationalized.
                  The Krona, the currency of Iceland devaluates and the stock market stops. The country is in bankruptcy.

                  2008. The citizens protest in front of parliament and manage to get new elections that make the resignation of the prime minister and his whole government.
                  The country is in bad economic situation.
                  A law proposes paying back the debt to Great Britain and Holland through the payment of 3,500 million euros, which will be paid by the people of Iceland monthly during the next 15 years, with a 5.5% interest.

                  2010. The people go out in the streets and demand a referendum. In January 2010 the president denies the approval and announces a popular meeting.
                  In March the referendum and the denial of payment is voted in by 93%. Meanwhile the government has initiated an investigation to bring to justice those responsible for the crisis, and many high level executives and bankers are arrested and jailed. Interpol dictates an order that make all the implicated parties leave the country.

                  In this crisis an assembly is elected to rewrite a new Constitution which can include the lessons learned from this, and which will substitute the current one (a copy of the Danish Constitution).
                  25 citizens are chosen, with no political affiliation, out of the 522 candidates. For candidacy all that was needed was to be an adult and have the support of 30 people. The constitutional assembly starts in February of 2011 to present the ‘carta magna’ from the recommendations given by the different assemblies happening throughout the country. It must be approved by the current Parliament and by the one constituted through the next legislative elections.

                  So in summary of the Icelandic revolution:
                  -resignation of the entire government.
                  -nationalization of the banks.
                  -referendum so that the people can decide over the economic decisions.
                  -incarcerating the responsible parties.
                  -rewriting of the constitution by its people.

                  Has anyone outside of Iceland been informed of this through the media? No! The Icelandic people have been able to show that there is a way to beat the corruption and has given a democracy lesson to the rest of the world.
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                  • Brian
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                    • Oct 2011
                    • 1130

                    If anyone is familliar with the saying
                    Kolku po boga tolku (odaleceni) od boga
                    will find this stoty very funny.

                    I wouldn't be surprised to hear only very few religious leaders were not corrupt.

                    Buddhist monks caught playing poker for 13 hours



                    14 May 2012
                    Six Buddhist monks were caught playing poker at a luxury hotel in South Korea. Senior monks were drinking alcohol, smoking and making high stakes being unaware of the surveillance camera near them.

                    The Jogye Order, to which the monks belonged, launched internal investigation of the incident, the Korea Herald said. The Jogye Order says six senior monks offered to resign Thursday over the scandal.

                    South Korean TV networks aired the video of the monks from the Jogye Order sitting cross-legged and playing cards. Some of them are seen smoking and drinking.

                    The scandal erupted just days before Koreans observe a national holiday to celebrate the birth of Buddha, the holiest day of the religion's calendar.

                    It was also said that the monks had been playing poker for 13 hours. They started at 8 p.m. and finished at 9 a.m. They managed to earn the total of $875,000. A senior monk with the order said that the money must have been taken from the believers' donations.

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                    • George S.
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 10116

                      oh well they'll be booted out.Just proves how human they are.
                      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                      GOTSE DELCEV

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                      • EgejskaMakedonia
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 1665

                        Originally posted by Brian View Post
                        You can take off that eye-patch now, Jankovska.
                        I hope the rest of us wont have to.
                        I hope not, it's a gold mine.

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                        • Brian
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                          • Oct 2011
                          • 1130

                          The government tells us we're
                          1. in a "War Against Terror"
                          2. in Iraq because of the of the 'war on terror'
                          3. in Afghanistan because of the 'war on terror'
                          4. fighting Bin Laden's terrorist group AlQaeda in points 2 & 3 & anywhere else in the world

                          YET

                          we're
                          5. helping AlQaeds in Lybia and the other 'Arab Spring' states
                          6. helping AlQaeda in Syria

                          How brain dead are YOU? If you're answer to ANY question is
                          A. You're awake - maybe you're not completely brain dead.
                          B. You're brain dead - review the material or 'take the blue pill' and go back to sleep and wait to die.

                          Do you think ALL of the above 6 points are true?
                          A. Yes
                          B. No

                          If ALL 6 points are true, do points 1 -4 inclusive Vs. points 5-6 inclusive look contradictory?
                          A. Yes
                          B. No

                          Are we, the West, helping AlQaeda because of some wearied logic like "my enemy's enemy is my friend for now even though they're my enemy"?
                          A. No
                          B. Yes

                          Is the NWO = Banks = UN = USA/UK = AlQaeda a true statement?
                          A. Yes
                          B. No

                          Whose your real enemy?
                          A. NWO, Banks, UN, USA/UK, AlQaeda
                          B. ONLY AlQaeda

                          Did you get any B's in your answers?

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                          • Brian
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                            • Oct 2011
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                            For anyone who doubts
                            NWO = Banks = USA/UK = AlQaeda

                            Libya’s new rulers offer weapons to Syrian rebels
                            Syrian rebels held secret talks with Libya's new authorities on Friday, aiming to secure weapons and money for their insurgency against President Bashar al-Assad's regime, The Daily Telegraph has learned.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...an-rebels.html
                            Idleb Protesters Raised Al-Qaeda Flag in their Demonstrations
                            Idleb Protesters Raised Al-Qaeda Flag in their Demonstrations - YouTube
                            Chossudovsky: Al Qaeda and US-NATO Special Forces on the Ground in Syria
                            Chossudovsky: Al Qaeda and US-NATO Special Forces on the Ground in Syria - YouTube
                            Syrian rebells in front of a AlQaeda banner
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=BVCf8Ib0_9E
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                            MOST IMPORTANT
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                            Syria - UN Observers Smuggling Terrorists in their Vehicles to Gather Intel about the Syrian Army

                            Syria - UN Observers Smuggling Terrorists in their Vehicles to Gather Intel about the Syrian Army - YouTube
                            Back in March, leaked emails revealed that the Pentagon is planning to direct terror attacks and assassinations inside Syria in a bid to topple President Bashar al-Assad.
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                            • Brian
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                              • Oct 2011
                              • 1130

                              Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                              Some interesting ideas above ... I am sure the same thing happened in Egypt recently. Show your ID card and join the revolution.
                              It would be much better if it didn't need to be that way RtG.
                              Horses for courses.

                              I'm worried that if I roll my eyes someone might think it's some kind of wearied Greek-style thing.

                              Do you have some romanticised 1960's hippy flower-power 'it's all about the love, maaan' and people power view about protests???

                              Is that where 'just do it' is coming from.LOL.

                              You guys must be old.

                              In Egypt (as well as other 'Arab Spring' nations) there was a well organised and well funded and armed insurgence movement with the 'Green Light' from the USA to seize power by whatever force was needed (ie escalate it as needed) - they were NOT your 'average man' showing solidarity. Do you watch channel X news with Phoenix in the basement of his mum's home between X-Box games?
                              Refer to "Brian's Corner" Post552 & Post553 before proceeding if you do.
                              (by the sounds of your post you do)
                              ( http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...518#post127518 )

                              The Western media was already on the insurgence side with heavily biassed articles and TV news reports - in the information/propaganda war leader X had already lost and was THE villain while in reality the heavily armed insurgents were shooting up police station and civilians in the streets to draw out the army for Western media or insurgent's cameras to film them shooting (back) at 'civilian protesters'. WTF? Do you know nothing of the 'Arab Spring'?

                              I think you would agree Macedonians do not enjoy that protected position and would be crucified by the media as wicked racist Christians brutally suppressing the rights of a poor Muslim minority - I bet they would even throw in former Communists if they thought it would help. A politically correct response showing level headedness and maturity is essential as is, and Macedonian activists must also film and post the uncivil antics of the Albanians. To get Macedonian journalist to help the activists they need to know there's some degree of privacy in the activist movement. Further in a place like Macedonia with many small towns where most people know everyone else or know someone who knows that person they don't known, SDSM scum should also be excluded. Just look at this latest incident (the 5 lakeside deaths) which is 1000% a terrorist action and the Macedonians are not getting the upper-hand in the information/propaganda war. WTF? When are the Macedonians going to win one overwhelmingly?

                              It's creping up on the Macedonians and they're not doing anything until the country is ripped from underneath their feet. Clear thinking and tactics are needed but I don't see anything happening there to stop the slide.
                              Last edited by Brian; 05-18-2012, 02:33 PM.

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                              • George S.
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 10116

                                have you heard the latest breaking news that alqueda is finished.The ameicans reckon they have virtually destroy it.
                                "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                                GOTSE DELCEV

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