Is the EU mentioned in the Book of Revelation?

[fyrOM]

I bet Ill have a couple of dozen Germans sending me money without question by the end of the day.

Dang Germans only cause trouble…with one lot of the money sent by one person I can payout my mortgage…now I have to think about what to do with the other 11 amounts.

ps...yes i know its the other 23...it was deliberate to highlight the point...even really stupid people can take advantage of Germans.

[Bill77]

Ozi,

Its all part of desensitizing the young. Where they don't know right from wrong. so that future society can rebel, against parents, law, god, or any other authority. This will pave way for a Savior to step in. But this savior is actually the creator of the problem.

Regarding desensitisation / brainwashing, A similar situation occurs with Nations. Look at Macedonia or the region of Kosovo for an example. Albanians a enticed to rebel and helped to take up arms then defended by the west. Why?
Its all part of the system "Hegelian philosophy"

What is this "Hegelian philosophy"?????

Quoting from Antony Sutton's book,
(Antony Sutton, in his brilliant expose, tells how The Order manipulates politics, education, religion, and economy, towards one end i.e. a complete takeover of every person's individual freedoms.)

we read -"From this system of Hegelian philosophy comes the historical dialectic i.e. that all historical events emerge from a 'conflict' between opposing forces...."

In other words, there is no chance of setting up such a monumental change in society without a "very significant war".

Did not this conflict in Macedonia cause a monumental change in society in Macedonia?

Being of German origins, the philosophies of two great thinkers were strictly adhered to:
a. Kant
b. Hegel

[Bill77]

Ozi,

Its all part of desensitizing the young. Where they don't know right from wrong. so that future society can rebel, against parents, law, god, or any other authority. This will pave way for a Savior to step in. But this savior is actually the creator of the problem.

Regarding desensitisation / brainwashing, A similar situation occurs with Nations. Look at Macedonia or the region of Kosovo for an example. Albanians a enticed to rebel and helped to take up arms then defended by the west. Why?
Its all part of the system "Hegelian philosophy"

What is this "Hegelian philosophy"?????

Quoting from Antony Sutton's book,
(Antony Sutton, in his brilliant expose, tells how The Order manipulates politics, education, religion, and economy, towards one end i.e. a complete takeover of every person's individual freedoms.)

we read -"From this system of Hegelian philosophy comes the historical dialectic i.e. that all historical events emerge from a 'conflict' between opposing forces...."

In other words, there is no chance of setting up such a monumental change in society without a "very significant war".

Did not this conflict in Macedonia cause a monumental change in society in Macedonia?

Being of German origins, the philosophies of two great thinkers were strictly adhered to:
a. Kant
b. Hegel

Again the following work is from a book by Barry Smith

Operation Desert Storm


Now, enter one Saddam Hussein. A man who no doubt, morning by morning, views himself in his bedroom mirror, smiles at himself and says "Here I come, you lucky people."

The world planners saw to it that this man received wrong advice from the two super-powers, prior to his invasion of Kuwait.

Russia - General Makashov "Yes, go on Saddam. You will become the hero of the OPEC nations. They all despise Kuwait as being the fat cat of the Middle East. The Kuwaitis continue to set their own oil prices in defiance of all the others in the area. Yes, go for it, my boy" (or words to that effect).

Saddam smiles. His only worry now is "What will the U.S. reaction be? Will they intervene and spoil my plans?"

A meeting is arranged between Saddam and the representative from the United States of America - one April Glaspie, who also appeared to give him the 'okay'; whether intentionally or not, we cannot say.

Whilst in the States a little after this event, we watched television coverage of April Glaspie being interviewed by the Congress.

Congress: "What advice did you offer to Saddam Hussein, Ms Glaspie?"

Ms Glaspie: "Arab problem - Arab solution".

Obviously Saddam took this as an 'okay', thumbs up style message. He invaded Kuwait and was immediately attacked by the combined armies of the Novus Ordo Seclorum (New World Order).

In fact, George Bush made this fact abundantly clear, that for the first time in history, a common aggressor had been dealt with by the armies of the major nations of the world.

This was to serve as a lesson to any other nation that may feel inclined to get 'stroppy' and out of hand. "What we gave Saddam, we are also capable of giving to you."

This is a perfect example of the Hegelian Dialectic in operation!

[fyrOM]

A few more points about the Roman Catholic Church and that the antichrist will come from there.

The bible calls the Man in the little horn the antichrist so who is he.

The 10 horns on the beast we said were the 10 parts of the break-up of the Roman Empire.

Roman power moved to Constantinople and the Bishop of Rome ie the pope is left in charge ie the new power springs up from among the parts of the empire like the little horn springs up amongst the 10 horns.

The papacy calls the emperor to wipe out the three groups apposed to the popes power and they were totally destroyed like the 3 horns plucked up by the roots by the little horn ie totally destroyed with no decedents establishing the popes absolute power.

Denial 24 tells us this new power or kingdom will be different to other kingdoms ie means it is a religious and civil government. Justinian’s decree made the Roman Catholic Church in charge of all other churches and civil matters. The little horn came up from amongst the other horns but was different from them.

The little horn had eyes and a mouth of a man where the other horns didn’t ie a man is at the centre of this power and the mouth spoke ie has the authority to speak.
Denial 7 tells us this power has a prominent man who speaks for this kingdom ie the pope is in absolute power ie the prominent man and he speaks for the kingdom.

The mouth in the little horn speaks blasphemy.
According to the Bible Jesus is accused of blasphemy for forgiving sins…the Roman Catholic Church claims to be able to forgive sins.
According to the Bible Jesus says I and the Father are one ie Jesus claims to be God and is accused of blasphemy. The Roman Catholic Church claims the pope is the Vice Regent of God ie Gods authority on earth.
According to the Bible Timothy says he was a blasphemer for persecuting the people of God.
We know the Roman Catholic Church persecuted people for reading the bible ect. It is estimated 100 million people were killed by the church. The little horn makes war against the saints.

The little horn claims to be able to change times and laws of God. The church claims the pope as the vice regent of God has the authority to interpret explain and modify Gods laws as the popes power comes from God.

The Bible says the little horn has power for 3.5 years ie 1260 days.
It is understood in Bible circles that 1260 days is 1260 years.
Justinian’s decree brought the church into power in 538AD.
Napoleon in 1798AD sacked the authority of the pope ending the absolute power of the pope and transferred it to the French republic…we all know how that went for him. The little horn has power for 1260 days and the pope had power for 1260 years ie 538AD to 1798AD.

Since then the church has taken a lesser role until 1929 when the Vatican became a sovereign state with the pope in charge of the state.

[makedonin]

A few more points about the Roman Catholic Church and that the antichrist will come from there.

If that is so, what do you make out of the following (it is the literal translation of the Greek text):

17and the world doth pass away, and the desire of it, and he who is doing the will of God, he doth remain -- to the age.

18Little youths, it is the last hour; and even as ye heard that the antichrist doth come, even now antichrists have become many -- whence we know that it is the last hour;
1 John 2:17-18

Here is a non literal translation from the NIV:

17 The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
1 John 2:17-18

I don't see any future reference in there. It is already happening, some 150-200 years AD.

The Bible says the little horn has power for 3.5 years ie 1260 days. It is understood in Bible circles that 1260 days is 1260 years.

Can you elaborate how a day is becoming year. There are many who argue that the Bible means exactly what it tells, day is a day, look for more here: could-god-have-created-in-six-days

[George S.]

I think some people should stick to the theme of the thread & stop wandering off on different tangents..In the book of revelation it is mentioned as the animal with the 10 horns.I think it is the eu & the revival of the holy roman empire of church & state.The great whore described in the book of revelation is the catholic church ,the great church.Anyway it will be an attempt at the revival of the holy roman empire & it won't last long.With the eu the foundations are rotten to the coreIt encourages member nations to live beyond it's means & no means of virtually paying it back.If they took greater care & examined the amounts borrowed then there would not be so much strife & greed.Greed is the problem as well & corruption.Really there is nothing wrong with moneybut that people put their total trust in their money ie treat it like a god & worship it.Money is a means of buying power. thats all.To all & sundry please stick to the thread in future.Jesus said give back what belongs to caesar & give god what belongs to god.

[George S.]

I forgot to mention that members are quoting daniel etc for explanations to prophesies.The one who reveals the meaning of the prophesies is Jesus Christ.I think it is to his desciples on the mount olivet.(Christ is the Revelator).It states the book of revelation that christ reveals the meaning of the prophesies & not st john the devine who merely wrote the book of revelation on the island of patmos.how do i know all this i studied comparative religion& did a bible course many years ago.HAppy New year everyone & god bless you.

[Bill77]

New World Order, and their Fabian Tactics.

Fa·bi·an a. Of or relating to the caution and avoidance of direct confrontation typical of the Roman general Quintus Fabius Maximus.
b. Cautious or dilatory, as in taking action.

The "Fabians" were named after Fabius, the famous Roman general which opposed Hannibal as they were "biding their time" until they would "strike hard"



The Aim

To cleverly, unobtrusively, surreptitiously, using Fabian Socialism practices, relieve each country of

a) first of all its national assets
b) its governmental ability to govern
c) its sovereignty and independence
d) and link each country into an INTERDEPENDENT GLOBAL VILLAGE whilst the citizens are still asking the question "What's happening?"

There are many European countries that have been swallowed up. Macedonia are well and truely being chewed up just waiting to go down the esophagus of this NWO monster.

[fyrOM]

Bill77 I have not seen you define the eye symbol as the Eye of Lucifer.

You might know more and I look forward to your explanations but I don’t understand the eye to represent Lucifer.

Your reference to the ancient Macedonian church in the cave and elsewhere where the eye is used would not nor could not be older than the symbol for it was used in Egypt well before Christianity ever came on the scene so to label it as an evil infiltration into Christianity implies it was an evil symbol in ancient times. I don’t think it was supposed to represent an evil force…but not to say cannot do harm more on this later.

To preface what I am writing I hope you accept I am not a member of the Freemasons or any other group or organisation other than the Macedonian Orthodox Church and come with no ulterior motive.

I wont claim to know everything but over the years from reading different sources often contradicting each other I made up my own distilled accepted version which I hope you can add to…I’m sure you can understand this is not a topic for general discussion with most people lest you be labelled a loon so I don’t really get to talk about it with anyone hence the lack of exterior impute as a sounding board.

I don’t know where or how man started to have religion but some common threads run through regardless of the current name attach to the same thing. To be able to put it into context I find thinking from Christianity backwards sort of makes sense…at least its more comforting.

If you recall the central part of Christianity is Christ…if you don’t believe in Christ and the Resurrection your just not a Christian you are something else its that simple…but we cannot define Christianity as that religion that just believes in Christ for we need to consider what Christ said he represented ie the One True God and the Holy Spirit. I assume you are a Christian so you would be familiar with the saying the Holy Trinity…God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. You would also know in the Orthodox faith the thumb and 2 fingers are put together when making the sign of the cross to represent the Holy Trinity. We can then summarise that Christianity is the belief in the Holy Trinity.

I don’t want to go too wacky on you but from science you may recall that all things are made of atoms and all atoms have sub particles which collectively we call mater but ultimately as Einstein said all mater is energy ie e mc2. I’m introducing this to get the reader to think of the world not as soil wood ect but just energy represented in different forms which can break down and make new forms. We know that matter ie the physical representation of energy behaves according to certain laws…drop something and it breaks burn something and you get heat ect…regardless of who you are or whether you understand the laws or not. So one can say universal laws exist.

The Bible tells us God made everything with His Word eg Genesis. Then if we believe in the Holy Trinity then we must believe God created It too. Like I said before I am no authority so what I say may not be exactly as I say but it is my own take on things to try and make sense of them. If anybody knows anything they can add to clarify the discussion then all the better. I see God as the First the source of all things. The Bible also tells us that Man is crated in the image of God. I don’t think this means just the physical look but some of the qualities of God. We can demonstrate this by what he Bible tells us and one simple experiment.

The Bible tells us to watch our mouths and what we say and that words are not just idle trivial things but have force and create action. I don’t just mean in the sense of if I with my words convince you to go beat someone up that my words were able to create action but that just speaking sets in motion laws which act on forces which create action and results.


This idea of words triggering laws which act on forces which create real things my sound strange but can any of you recall news reports that plants who had positive words said to them…like you are a good plant you are growing well you will be strong and fruitful ect…actually grew better than plants that were not spoken to. This idea becomes less strange when we think of blessings and their opposite curses.

A simple experiment to further demonstrate words are not just idle trivial things is to watch a priest make Holy Water. I know because someone once let me watch a Muslim Imam make something like Holy Water in their own way that this words into action into reality is not just a Christian thing but not being properly familiar with Muslim things for the purpose of this point I will stick with the example of the Christian priest making Holy Water.

The one key physical difference between Holy Water and water from the tap is that Holy Water left in a bottle will Not go off whereas water from the tap left in a bottle for any lengthy time will begin to go off even when the water used to create the Holy Water is from exactly the same tap. On small caveat to this is that the length of time the Holy Water will not go off is if the prayer ie words said was done properly and completely or if the priest cut corners by shortening the prayer. I was told this by a priest and have physically witnessed Holy Water that has practically lasted forever and one that has lasted only many months.

Realising we have mass is energy and universal laws exist and that words can create real things we can surmise there is some force out there doing this. Knowing God is First the Creator of everything and Christ is the Resurrection Redemption and the Way to God then I concluded the Holy Spirit is in charge of this subsystem or force for want of better words which affects things with words. I could be wrong.

Now lets look at the eye symbol. Horus is one thing but the eye symbol begins being the Eye of Ra the sun god which my thinking is the ancient Egytian take on what we call God. The Bible tells us God sees everything and knows everything. Taking this Biblical idea back to the Egyptian model which I think they also viewd Ra as all seeing and all knowing.

Now we know Ra and Rhea his wife had Horus Osiris Seth Isis and Nephthys.
Osiris takes over as king and marries his sister Isis.
His brother Seth slew Osiris and he…Osiris…descends to be in charge of the land of the dead.
Isis calls on her brother Horus to destroy Seth which after many battles he does.
Osiris then becomes resurrected.

Not exactly the Bible story but from the above brief outline we can see Seth is the bad guy.

Seth is the evil god of chaos confusion storms and wind the desert. Sound like anyone you have heard of in the Bible story…not yet.
He was also identified with the hippopotamus pig donkey and baboon. Crocodiles scorpions
He is also depicted as a canine like body with an erect forked tail.
He was also said to be infertile and bisexual.
He was contender to the thrown of Osiris and rival to Horus.
He was also said to be the companion of Ra
He kind of sounds like the antichrist or devil or a cross between he two.

The devil was an angel and talked to God a lot ie companion until he was cast out of heaven. The pig donkey barren places eg the desert and bi or homo sexuality ie sodomising all are associated with the devil in the Bible. He is also the rival for the thrown much like the antichrist and devil.

Osiris eventually becomes resurrected. Sounds like he is not quite in the picture until he does. The Book of Revelation tells us at the end we will have Gods Kingdom on earth with Christ ruling so what does this mean we have now. Christ came as the King of Kings then got resurrected to Heaven and comes back to earth in the second coming to rule. Sounds like I was there then kind of not there then came back and am in charge. It looks like the Egyptian story is a bit flipped upside down because Osiris descends to the land of the dead to be kind of out of the picture until he is resurrected to rule again.

Bottom line both models recognise a power affecting certain laws. The Bible introduces us to the Holy Sprit while the Egyptian model uses a bunch of gods. I don’t believe the two are the same but I can see how some in the past may have though they were as they both act on the laws created by god. Like a match can light a fire for good to heat you it can also be lit to burn you…the match doesn’t know and doesn’t care.

[Bill77]

Ausiie, there is allot to answer in your rather large post (i'm not being negetive in any way) But i will dissect it in bits and try to give my input as much as i can.

Bill77 I have not seen you define the eye symbol as the Eye of Lucifer.

You might know more and I look forward to your explanations but I don’t understand the eye to represent Lucifer.

Firstly i assume you are aware of the ancient symbol "The Eye Of Horus" and that its the symbol of protection which was used by the ancient Egyptians. The eye is personified in the goddess Wadjet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Horus

In Egyptian mythology, Wadjet, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadjet was originally the ancient local goddess of the city of Dep, a city that was an important site in the Predynastic era of Ancient Egypt and the cultural developments of the Paleolithic.

"The image of Wadjet with the sun disk is called the uraeus, "and it was the emblem on the crown of the rulers of Lower Egypt". Let me stop here for a second. If you are aware of the Bible and the first testament, You would know what the one true God did to the Egyptians and the curse he sent upon it and its king who worshiped pagan gods (Wadjet to name one) and enslaved the Israelites. Its from there that Moses (Instructed by God) led his people away from this evil place to the promised land. There is no doubt This symbol was a symbol of a foriegn God, a pagan God and the true God would not be Happy with. If Our priests were true Bible followers, they would know these passages,

Exodus 20:2–3 "Do not have any other gods before me, You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods".


Isaiah 57:8 "You have put pagan symbols on your doorposts and behind your doors".
Again let me stop here again, Next time you go to any Orthodox church (Doorway entries or Behind the doors another words inside the church's) , have a look around and i have no doubt you will find a painting on a wall or ceiling or Icon of this Pagan God Wadjet "Eye Of Horus" I will surch for photos and show you what i mean.
Continue Isaiah 57:8 You have left me and climbed into bed with these detestable gods. You have committed yourselves to them. Because of this evil that has infiltration in our church, our churchs are devided, our comunities are being striped from there finances and possesions through court actions led by these evil heads of these Lucifer infiltrated Houses (church). Can you truely say this Eye is a Protecter?

"she was also the protecter of women in childbirth and kings".
Just like the Egyptians used this Pagan Image "Eye Of Horus" as a protecter, we Macedonians today use this "OCHE" as a protecter against evil, unaware of the true history of this symbol.

Your reference to the ancient Macedonian church in the cave and elsewhere where the eye is used would not nor could not be older than the symbol for it was used in Egypt well before Christianity ever came on the scene so to label it as an evil infiltration into Christianity implies it was an evil symbol in ancient times. I don’t think it was supposed to represent an evil force…but not to say cannot do harm more on this later.

Ozi,

I don't think i said it was an "Ancient" Macedonian church. I said it was centuries old. I will try to find how old it is and give you images. It is definitely not older than the symbol or Christianity.

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by OziMak
Your reference to the ancient Macedonian church in the cave and elsewhere where the eye is used would not nor could not be older than the symbol for it was used in Egypt well before Christianity ever came on the scene so to label it as an evil infiltration into Christianity implies it was an evil symbol in ancient times. I don’t think it was supposed to represent an evil force…but not to say cannot do harm more on this later.

Ozi,
I don't think i said it was an "Ancient" Macedonian church. I said it was centuries old. I will try to find how old it is and give you images. It is definitely not older than the symbol or Christianity.

Sveti Stefan Ohrid

One of the monasteries located in the mountain few kilometers from the beach. Built in the 9th century, St. Stefan Monastery is a living reminder of the way monks used to live in the medieval time.

The church is isolated.. and in order to reach it.. you need to walk for 30 minutes into the woods.. and the mountain to reach at the end.. a huge rock. On top of this rock there is a big cross.. and under that cross.. an entrance to the tiny monastery. The rock actually is the Church... and next to the "rock" .. a small house were the monks who take care of it live.




And here is the entrance of the Church:





It's a very small church.. with just an altar.. and a smaller room where you can enter and pray.. and the rest of the space is the inside of the rock.. which surprisingly is hollow.
On the roof of the entrance chapel.. right under the small cross in the picture above, There is a drawing.. of a yellow triangle.. and an eye in it.





If you read a book by Dan Brown "Angles & Demons".. u recongize a weird similiarity.. with this drawing.. and with the drawings in the churches or Rome.. having a Masonic symbol iside a church.. and for those who hasn't read A&D yet, the Pyramid Eye.. is of the symbols left by the Masonic movement.. this very same pyramid.. is found also on the 1 US dollar as u can see below:

Originally Posted by OziMak
Bill77 I have not seen you define the eye symbol as the Eye of Lucifer.

You might know more and I look forward to your explanations but I don’t understand the eye to represent Lucifer.

I found this interesting artical on the net By Samer Faza (Самер Фаза) http://www.facebook.com/samer.faza
Who seems to be a palestinian or some other middle eastern origin, that has a facination for Macedonia. http://random-mk.blogspot.com/

"the question why is it drawn there.. in a medieval Orthodox monastery that originally is built in the 9th century..?

I asked a nun who was cleaning the Church and asked her why does it represent.. and when was it drawn.. she answered that it has 2 meanings.. the first that it represents the third eye.. on our forehead.. which is one of the energy points in our body which connects our soul with spiritual life. The second theory states that it represents the eye of Lucifer or Horus. (According to the legend Horus has lost one of his eyes in a battle in which he killed Set). The nun didn't know when was it drawn on the wall.. but she says it has been protecting the monastery from the Turkish and Albanian attacks during the Ottoman empire.. which gives at least 200 or 300 years of existence if not more.

The icons drawn on the walls inside of the church.. were older.. and almost fading.. unlike the eye pyramid drawing.. i asked why is the difference.. does that mean that the icons are drawn thousand years ago.. and the eye is recent? She responeded that the church has been renovated many times.. the latest in the 70s ... so all the drawings that do not represent any Saints.. were redrawn.

She explained further.. that monks and nuns.. used to crush the bones of the saints.. and mix them with the color powder.. and use that same powder to draw on the walls.. so that the saint's body actually is on the wall.. this heritage and tradition.. actually explained in my head why in the Orthodox churches even in Jordan.. people kiss the icons.. and the walls.. which means that this tradition happened in all the places Orthodox Christianity spread.. including Jordan & Palestine. With that the nun also explained why the icons and drawings inside were not repainted.. to keep it authentic and holy as it was drawn when the monastery was built".

Below you can see the drawings Of an icon inside the church.

[fyrOM]

Bill77 I have not seen you define the eye symbol as the Eye of Lucifer.

Bottom line both models recognise a power affecting certain laws. The Bible introduces us to the Holy Spirit while the Egyptian model uses a bunch of gods. I don’t believe the two are the same but I can see how some in the past may have thought they were as they both act on the laws created by god. Like a match can light a fire for good to heat you it can also be lit to burn you…the match doesn’t know and doesn’t care.

Just teasing the answer out a bit Bill77. I agree with you that they eye symbol is foreign and should not be in a church. The bit about not making ANY image of God should have been clue enough for the church.

Instead they try to make out the eye thing is the eye of God or the Holy Ghost…even this cannot be made an image of…because Gods laws exist and the Holy Ghost acts on them but so does magic and lower spirits and this is as far as the Egyptians got and some in the church have unwittingly or very deliberately tried to blur the two things. I think the organisations using the eye are an extension of the Egyptian model of the belief in lower spirits as God and hence are false.

[PetarMKD]

Great to hear Petar.
I hope there are many more like you.
Would you agree that 75% of Macedonians in Macedonia feel the same way about the EU?

Unfortunately some of them are just too ignorant or naive to see the danger that the EU poses to us as people or they simply refuse to acknowledge such a powerful enemy. I try to educate them and I think I am doing a good job so far. And yes, fortunately more and more people are aware that we have to find an alternative to the EU and that they are our real enemies who are trying to erase our identity from the start.

[Bill77]

Skopje, 9 January 2011 (MIA) -

Government in 2011 plans on resuming reforms related to EU integration and on adopting over 60 laws, including 450 by-laws, in compliance with the Action Plan, Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski stated on Sunday.

"The Action Plan, envisaging EU projects, has been already adopted by the Government and it covers a number of measures that need to be taken.
http://www.idividi.com.mk/English/Ma...670/index.html

WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER



The Aim

To cleverly, unobtrusively, surreptitiously, using Fabian Socialism practices, relieve each country of

a) first of all its national assets
b) its governmental ability to govern
c) its sovereignty and independence
d) and link each country into an INTERDEPENDENT GLOBAL VILLAGE whilst the citizens are still asking the question "What's happening?"


"Have you ever wondered why it is that when you elect a politician to power, he never seems to keep his pre-election promises? Why is this?

Many of them are highly honourable people yet, when they arrive at the halls of power, they are quietly taken to one side and given a list of the conditionalities policies to read.

Politicians today are trapped and therefore are merely allowed to decide on such menial subjects as:

1) Should shops be allowed to stay open on Sundays?
2) Should all baby prams and carriages be fitted with seat belts?
3) Should we increase the benefit to unwed mothers? etc. etc.

Just so the leaders are made to feel they are in control and that they count for something.

(Remember again. The New World Order is being set up on the basis of Hegelian philosophy or principles http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...1&postcount=47 )

"As Hegel puts it, by virtue of this participation, subjective liberty and conceit, with their general opinion, individuals can show themselves palpably efficacious and enjoy the satisfaction of feeling themselves to count for something...."


But when it comes to the bigger picture, they are restricted on what they can do. Their responsibility is become a puppet.They are handed conditionalities policies,(such as the ones Gruevski talks about in the recent article above) and must do what they are told. They no longer have the authority to fulfil the responsibilities placed on them or expected on them by the voters.

[Bill77]

WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER


Just so the leaders are made to feel they are in control and that they count for something.

(Remember again. The New World Order is being set up on the basis of Hegelian philosophy or principles http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...1&postcount=47 )

"As Hegel puts it, by virtue of this participation, subjective liberty and conceit, with their general opinion, individuals can show themselves palpably efficacious and enjoy the satisfaction of feeling themselves to count for something...."


But when it comes to the bigger picture, they are restricted on what they can do. Their responsibility is become a puppet.They are handed conditionalities policies,(such as the ones Gruevski talks about in the recent article above) and must do what they are told. ...........

Now read this recent article below, Hegelian principles at its best.

......... "The EU can help Bosnia implement needed reforms, but not dictate policy, keep its government running smoothly or guarantee stability. Bosnians will have to meet EU membership criteria themselves," says ICG Balkans Project Director Marko Prelec.

The ICG believes that despite difficulties, Bosnia and Herzegovina could apply for EU membership by the end of this year. When it happens, the EU's role will become even more important because further reform will need to be encouraged"....... http://www.idividi.com.mk/English/Wo...274/index.html

EU implement needed reforms, But not dictate policy? huh how can this be????? How can you make someone do something (implement) with out telling them what to do (not dictate)? And who's policy or Reforms are they implementing?

Ohhhh i see, the paragraph keeps on going "Bosnians will have to meet EU membership criteria themselves".

Now i understand. New World order dictates "You will impliment needed reforms and we will kick your ass and make you do it....... oops, I mean help you do it.....because we carefor you little Bosnians

Now as Hegel puts it, we will let you "enjoy the satisfaction of feeling to count for something..."

And how is this done? We will tell you "You will have to meet EU membership criteria Yourselves".
This will make you feel you are controlling your own destiny....feeling you count for something.