Is the EU mentioned in the Book of Revelation?

[Risto the Great]

I think the EU is just a naughty little experiment that is destined for abysmal failure. I don't think God is too concerned about it either way.

[George S.]

to reveal what is said in the book of revelation you have to look where jesus christ reveals
the prophecies.As the whole book of revelations is revealed by jesus christ as he is the revealator.Yes spartan the eu is the revival of the holy roman empire.

[Bill77]

Maybe side topics like this…although extremely interesting…could be kept in one side thread...mods. Eg like the ufo or technology thread I created to keept site on he core topic ie Macedonian matters both direct and indirect.

I say keep this thread as it is save me from creating another, for i have much more information regarding this New World Order, The Illuminati, and so on that everyone seems to talk about. Conspiracy theorists might say "Bullshit" but i want to gradually get it out there and let people see for them selves. I promise you will be amazed. And then, alot of what is happening to Macedonia (Albanian terrorists, leadership, IMF aid etc) will make sense.

If it does not concern Macedonia i would not bother with it. Just give me time and you will see what i am on about.


I will try to avoid any biblical side of it, for it tends to distract people from the actual message.

[PetarMKD]

Today I passed near the construction site of the new city mall Skopje (I live nearby) and I saw the EU flag waving next to ours... the firs thing that crossed my mind was that blue flag in flames and I remembered how we used to have faith in all that multicultural crap 10 years ago right before they pissed on our sovereignty and allowed the albanian mafia in our parliament. Maybe I am offtopic but i must express my hatred towards that crappy union and I wish them slow and painful downfall.

[Risto the Great]

Today I passed near the construction site of the new city mall Skopje (I live nearby) and I saw the EU flag waving next to ours... the firs thing that crossed my mind was that blue flag in flames and I remembered how we used to have faith in all that multicultural crap 10 years ago right before they pissed on our sovereignty and allowed the albanian mafia in our parliament. Maybe I am offtopic but i must express my hatred towards that crappy union and I wish them slow and painful downfall.

Great to hear Petar.
I hope there are many more like you.
Would you agree that 75% of Macedonians in Macedonia feel the same way about the EU?

[makedonin]

RtG 75% would be damn good. Multiculturalism has failed, and RoM was EUs lab rat, that much is true. While EU was preaching it to us we had to give refuge and permanent residence to all those Kosovars, EU have got rid of so many immigrants with out permanent residence as they could have. Those who now have residence but no citizenship will be deported at first sight of criminal intent. On the end of the day, we are left with all those Illegal Kosovars and EU learned their lesson and have thrown out the garbage.

[George S.]

makedonin the eu says one thing & does another.Where as in macedonia's situation they made them give all those rights to minorities that should be strictly for the scrap heap.

[fyrOM]

I say keep this thread as it is save me from creating another, for i have much more information regarding this New World Order, The Illuminati, and so on that everyone seems to talk about. Conspiracy theorists might say "Bullshit" but i want to gradually get it out there and let people see for them selves. I promise you will be amazed. And then, alot of what is happening to Macedonia (Albanian terrorists, leadership, IMF aid etc) will make sense.

If it does not concern Macedonia i would not bother with it. Just give me time and you will see what i am on about.


I will try to avoid any biblical side of it, for it tends to distract people from the actual message.

Bill77 I hope you do add to this thread. As mentioned I have looked into this off and on for some time but with so many bits of information its easy to miss stuff so I am truly interested to hear your take on it.

I think the last time we ie the forum touched on this subject may have been bits in different threads and keeping it on this one thread could be good. Looking forward to your posts.

[fyrOM]

Bill77 let me add my 2c worth…dang if he calls this 2c Id hate to see a dollar…just to ground the point that it is the Roman Catholic Church and the EU that is being talked about in Revelations and that the timeframe is near.

The Book of Revelations never gives us a date when things are to happen but does give us lots of clues to work it out.

Firstly we need to identify who we are talking about to understand the clues about time.

The term SEA is used for people or multitudes in religious places ie the Holy Sea.

Given the sea means many people then sitting on many people is to control or influence many people.

The church has always influenced people and became a great power…maybe less so today but still a power.
Given the church is the power influencing the people then the woman ie Whore is the church.

1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters

The Whore is the evil church sitting ie influencing many waters ie many people the multitudes


2 with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

The kings of the earth are kings and rulers who shared their influence with the church who intern supported the decisions of he rulers ie symbiosis ie fornication as this control of the people was often to the detriment of the people making the church evil ie a whore. The people were so made to believe the church as absolute path to god that people beloved whatever the church said without question ie drunk with the wine of her fornication.


3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet-colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

The woman is the church who sits on ie is based on a scarlet colored beast. This needs to be deciphered in conjunction with point 4 bellow but for this point alone accept the scarlet colored beast is the pope.
Then we have the woman ie church who sits on ie is based on the scarlet colored beast ie the pope having seven heads ie hills popping up from the wilderness ie the land ie Rome is the city referred to as the city of seven hills.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

The woman ie church was arrayed ie covered in purple ie bishops wear purple and scarlet ie cardinals wear scarlet. This is the point where we can confirm the statement in point 3 above that the scarlet colored beast is the pope. We need to realise that the person to be pope is chosen by the cardinals from amongst themselves ie the pope needs to be a cardinal first so wears the scarlet colored robes. The catholic church is the only church which sees the pope as absolute Gods authority on earth. We know how corrupt popes have been ie having orgies and children and condemned millions to death…more on this point later…so the pope is a beast which the woman ie church sits on ie is founded or based on. If we now can understand the church being referred to is the Roman Catholic Church we can look at this church more closely to understand the gold and gems. In the Catholic Church’s rule book the cross must be colored gold and adorned with gems. We now can conclude the church must be the Roman Catholic Church and see how the coming points relate to this church and from this determine dates…which as we said at the beginning the Bible doesn’t give clear dates straight out…when this revelation is referring to.

5 and upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Need I say more given the dirty history of the church.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.

The church has persecuted people all the time. Just to confirm this point we need not look further then the times of the Holy Inquisitions where millions were murdered by the church for a wide variety of reasons but particularly for any knowledge the church did not tell you directly.

This was the churches absolute stranglehold on the people at the punishment of death. Eg people who knew of herbal medicine were accused of being witches and anyone caught reading the Bible…yes you heard right reading the Bible…was sentenced to death for heresy and anyone preaching anything contra to what the church told you was also an act of heresy ie Copernicus with his Sun instead of the Earth centre of the universe statements was put to death and Galileo who centuries later supported Copernicus’s statements based on his own scientific calculations was threatened with torture and possible death and made to make a public retraction and apology. Just to be sure he also disappeared for a while just to let things quieten down. Hence it is clear the Woman ie church was drunk on the blood ie death of the righteous.

7 And when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Who hasn’t marveled at the church but why marvel when you find out the mystery ie secrets of the woman ie the church that will disgust you.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Ill leave this one for now.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom.

The pope knows the Bible and is the mind which has wisdom

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The pope is the absolute ruler of the church but is he a king. This part starts to give us a clue about time.
To be a king you need to have a kingdom but the church was not a kingdom for a very long time so this prior time can be ignored in terms only in reference to time. The church became a kingdom or a sovereign state in 1929 in The Lateran Treaty signed in by Italy and the Holy Sea which recognised the Vatican City as a sovereign and independent state.
On 11 February 1929 pope Pius xi became the first pope to become king of the Vatican State
Then
Five have fallen
1. Pius xi 1929..1939
2. Pius xii 1939...1958
3. John xxiii 1958..1963
4. Paul vi 1963..1978
5. John Paul I august to sep 1978
And one is
6. John Paul ii 1978...2005
From this statement ie and one who is we can decipherer that the apostle johns vision must have been during the reign of Pope John Paul ii. This gives us a sense of time and given 7 kings were mentioned followed by the beast and end times we can determine that the end times referred to in The Book of Revelations is not too far away.
And one is yet to come
7. Benedict xvi 2005...current
And when he cometh he must continue a short space
What’s a short space 2012 maybe.
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11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The Beast is the eighth and is of the 7 so he must also be a pope.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

The European Union stems from the Council of Europe which was formed in 1949 with 10 founding members and not 12 as some say the 12 stars on the EU flag represent. Then we have 10 kings ie heads of state which have received no kingdom as yet ie the presidency of the EU was not created in the time of the vision ie in the time of Pope John Paul ii

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Self explanatory.

[fyrOM]

One caveat I need to add to the above post before every Catholic goes nuts on me because they believe they themselves and other Catholics they know are good people. You might be good people. I don’t know you let alone if your good or not. The above post is Not in reference to individual Catholics but to the papacy ie the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church. If this bothers you I offer no apology as a long list of learned people have come to this conclusion before me. It is not my original thought but it is one that I subscribe to.

You may be aware of more recent events where many Catholic priests were caught out to be paedophiles and how the church did little against them but to move them on to other parishes where they did their deeds again. This by no means makes ever individual Catholic a bad person but it does make the church wrong.

[Bill77]

Great stuff Ozimak.

It sounds convincing, actually its the most convincing explanation i have heard so far.

Part of what I will be touching on the Illuminati. Their founders' aim was to replace Christianity by a religion of reason. Ask your self, are they achieving this? yes. What are the signs?
A) Originally schools could not sing Christmas carols mentioning Jesus now Christmas Carols have disappeared all together from most primary schools.

B) In a court room, slowly the swearing on the Bible is being abolished and getting replaced with another oath.

There are few other examples where mentioning of God or religion is frowned upon and removed all because Christianity is believed to be now days Unreasonable by "athiests" who belong in this religion of reason.

Before i go on, let me start with this (many of you probably allready seen or read about this) but have you seen the symbols on the American 1 dollar bill? Do you know who created it and the true meaning of those symbols?

PS: My purpose here is not to defend Christianity but to show how all this effects Macedonia. All this will gradually start making sense even though the beginning will not be obvious how it relates to Macedonia. But its important i start this way so we know who "they" are, that is the cause of the current Macedonian demise.

[Ljubanec]

Great stuff Ozimak.

It sounds convincing, actually its the most convincing explanation i have heard so far.

Part of what I will be touching on the Illuminati. Their founders' aim was to replace Christianity by a religion of reason. Ask your self, are they achieving this? yes. What are the signs?
A) Originally schools could not sing Christmas carols mentioning Jesus now Christmas Carols have disappeared all together from most primary schools.

B) In a court room, slowly the swearing on the Bible is being abolished and getting replaced with another oath.

There are few other examples where mentioning of God or religion is frowned upon and removed all because Christianity is believed to be now days Unreasonable by "athiests" who belong in this religion of reason.

Before i go on, let me start with this (many of you probably allready seen or read about this) but have you seen the symbols on the American 1 dollar bill? Do you know who created it and the true meaning of those symbols?

PS: My purpose here is not to defend Christianity but to show how all this effects Macedonia. All this will gradually start making sense even though the beginning will not be obvious how it relates to Macedonia. But its important i start this way so we know who "they" are, that is the cause of the current Macedonian demise.

Has anyone ever met a member of the illuminati?

[Bill77]

Has anyone ever met a member of the illuminati?

I'm sure everyone would have came across one, one point in time but this illuminati would not introduce him or her self as one.
Also, many practice and spread illuminati plans but don't realise it. Even you and me

[fyrOM]

As to the time line another pointer is the promise that the Roman Empire will Never form again yet we just discussed how the EU forms the latest incarnation of the Roman Empire ie the 10 founding members so if this is true then isn’t the empire already formed and what of the expansion of the EU into Easter Europe. None of this seems to match neither the Roman Empire nor the EU so are we completely wrong.

We need to remember the promise is the Roman Empire will Not form again so if we look at what the Roman Empire was we get a better understanding. The Roman Empire extended into Eastern Europe so to fulfill the promise that the Roman Empire will never reform and is doomed to fail just before it does the Eastern European states need to be included ie the old Empire territory. To couple this with Nostradamus’s prediction that when the Great Army crosses Macedonia…he mentions Macedonia specifically by name…the World War will have started. From this I think Macedonia will be the last state to enter the Empire ie EU if at all…because the Empire is not allowed to reform…before the war to fulfill Gods promise that the Roman Empire will Not reform. We can see the current impasse with Macedonia entering the EU and looks like it will drag on while other states further behind to entering look like overtaking Macedonia and entering the EU.

I think I remember reading a long time ago that when the Roman Empire broke up it was in 10 parts each covering parts of modern day countries and not according to today’s borders. Those of you more familiar with history may like to confirm or refute the 10 part thing and name the parts. Eg Franks Lombards Visigoths Vandals ect. I think 3 of the 10 were later destroyed.

[Bill77]

Most of the work i am about to show, is by a gentleman called Barry Smith. I will be showing extracts from the books Barry Smith published over the years from 1980 until 1999.


1776 - Illuminati of Bavaria. (Encyclopaedia of Freemasonry by Albert G. Mackey M.D., page 405.)

Just on a side note, i wander if Otto of Bavaria had anything to do with the Illuminati and their plans, since the Illuminati originated from Bavaria.


Lets go on.


"A secret society, founded on May 1st 1776 by Adam Weishaupt, who was professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt.

To give the Order a higher influence, Weishaupt connected it with the Masonic institution, after whose system of degrees of esoteric instruction, and of secret modes of recognition, it was organised.

Weishaupt.... had originally been a Jesuit, and he employed therefore the shrewdness and subtlety which distinguished the disciples of Loyola, and having been initiated in 1777 in a lodge at Munich, he also borrowed for its use the mystical organisation which was peculiar to Freemasonry.

In this latter task, he was greatly assisted by the Baron Von Knigge, a zealous and well-instructed Mason.

....on June 22nd 1784, the Elector of Bavaria issued an edict for its suppression. Many of its members were fined or imprisoned, and some, among whom was Weishaupt, were compelled to flee the country...." End quote.

This group, the Illuminati, were the designers of the two seals found on the reverse side of every U.S. one dollar bill, dated from 1933 onwards.


THE EYE OF LUCIFER check the American dollar bill and the symbal and what's on top of the pyramid


The eye in the triangle was called by Weishaupt ....The Insinuating Brethren. This simply meant that ultimately the Luciferian gnostic eye would represent the leaders of the One World Government who, under the control of their leader, Lucifer, would dominate every other group in society.

You will find this eye in many Macedonian church's today. It is not the eye of God we know as they would want you to believe. This is the 'Eye of Horus' in Egyptian mythology and in reality represents the eye of Lucifer or Satan. See how now the Illuminati has infiltrated our church as well?

More later.