Macedonian Surnames

[Gocka]

You are assuming that ski was never used by any Macedonians before many others changed their names. The truth is that Macedonian names have always ended in a variety of endings. Ev Ov and Ski are all common and were always common. Polish names don't end in ski, rather in WSKI, and the SKY is mostly associated with Russian Jews.

In Macedonian Ski Ov and Ov would all be considered grammatically correct. On top of those you have a slew of names that have none of those endings or rather have no ending at all. I think you have been misinformed on this one.

Originally Posted by Constellation

Oh, I see, so there is a silent conspiracy on my part? For the record, I never mentioned Tito's name. Nor am I secretly arguing that Macedonians are really Bulgarians and that there was a secret agenda by Tito to create a Macedonian ethnicity by changing the surnames of Macedonians.
My understanding is, and even in my family's history, "ov" was the original suffix in much of Macedonia, and ski was later added to surnames that ended in "ov".

If you notice, many Eastern Macedonian names, bordering Bulgaria, till this day remain "ov". Some Macedonian surnames even in Skopje still remain as "ov".

Now what is the argument in favor of "ovski".

If "ov" means "son of". what does "ovski" mean? What is its purpose? It means "originating or coming from the son of".

If indeed Macedonian names have always ended in ski, as you claim, then I stand corrected. My understanding was that it was a later addition due to the Bulgarian issue.

Self-determination at that stage of history was not easy, and everyone wanted a piece of the Macedonian pie. So Hellenized, Serbanized, and Bulgarianized surnames of Macedonians was not uncommon.

[Risto the Great]

My maternal line was "ski" (as evidenced on my Great Grandmother's GREEK passport, amongst other places) and my paternal line was anything from "o" to "ov" to "ovci". I opted for "o" when I removed my Greek imposed name. I should add both sides of my family are from Aegean Macedonia. Which adds to my natural beauty.

Constellation, Tito did not enter Greece and change my maternal line surname.

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by Constellation

My understanding is, and even in my family's history, "ov" was the original suffix in much of Macedonia, and ski was later added to surnames

not quite correct. Initially, we who originated from the Serbian occupied part of Macedonia were forced to add "ich" to our surnames. It was later we were allowed to get rid of our Serb slave sir names and go back to "OV" "EV" "SKI"

Originally Posted by Constellation

Now what is the argument in favor of "ovski".

If "ov" means "son of". what does "ovski" mean? What is its purpose? It means "originating or coming from the son of".

first of all the suffix is "ski" minus the "OV" in it. There are many example where the "OV" isn't included in the Suffix.

Re what is the purpose of "ski".......well it might help us by looking at why we describe other things to determine where something originates from using "ski".
Such as in Language. We say MakedonSKI, AlbanSKI, SrbSKI, GermanSKI, TurSKI etc etc when it comes to determine what origin or group that specific language comes from.

Or MashKi, zenSKI to determine a sex

I suppose the "ski" is another way of saying "OV" ie from that particular group.

Originally Posted by Constellation

If indeed Macedonian names have always ended in ski, as you claim, then I stand corrected. My understanding was that it was a later addition due to the Bulgarian issue.

It wasn't common, but used nonetheless. I'll give you one example Jane Sandanski who was pre Tito or pre Serbia's concern with the Bulgarian issue.

Here's where you are going to tell me he was Bulgarian

[Big Bad Sven]

Originally Posted by Constellation

Oh, I see, so there is a silent conspiracy on my part? For the record, I never mentioned Tito's name. Nor am I secretly arguing that Macedonians are really Bulgarians and that there was a secret agenda by Tito to create a Macedonian ethnicity by changing the surnames of Macedonians.

My understanding is, and even in my family's history, "ov" was the original suffix in much of Macedonia, and ski was later added to surnames that ended in "ov".

If you notice, many Eastern Macedonian names, bordering Bulgaria, till this day remain "ov". Some Macedonian surnames even in Skopje still remain as "ov".

Now what is the argument in favor of "ovski".

If "ov" means "son of". what does "ovski" mean? What is its purpose? It means "originating or coming from the son of".

If indeed Macedonian names have always ended in ski, as you claim, then I stand corrected. My understanding was that it was a later addition due to the Bulgarian issue.

Self-determination at that stage of history was not easy, and everyone wanted a piece of the Macedonian pie. So Hellenized, Serbanized, and Bulgarianized surnames of Macedonians was not uncommon.

Like i said there were macedonians before Tito that had the 'ski' ending in their surnames.
Like i said there were macedonians from albania and Greece that had the 'ski' ending in their surname - how do you propose the magical and all powerfull TITO linger into those anti-yugoslav (and also anti-bulgarian) countries and change their surnames?

You never got back to me on bulgarians with the 'ski' ending surnames as well. I am having bit of a guestimate but i think almost 1/5 of bulgarians have the ski ending surnames today. Why do they also have the mysterious ski ending as well?

Btw its not just bulgarians and macedonians who have the ski ending surnames. In the past many croat, serbs and montenigrins had ski as well. Think the montenegrin actor Lazar Ristovski

Btw, what about macedonians who have the 'ski' in their surnam but dont have the typical 'bulgarian' OVski or EVski? The macedonian surnames with no letter V in them?

[Constellation]

People, people. people.

This is not a thread about a Tito conspiracy. I already acknowledged I misunderstood the issue. This is why this thread was open. Education.

I assumed incorrectly that ski was not native to the southern Balkans and that the Macedonian government began to change surnames (which is true to some extent) to ski. It is true in my family, where the original "ov" later become "ovski".

I did not know Macedonians in Greece had ovci or ovski.
I did not know Bulgarians had and have this either.
Or Serbs.

And yes, I am aware some names in "ski" and not "ovski", like "Donski".

What appears to be certain is that in the Balkans, Macedonian surnames most commonly have "ovski" or "ski", than the other Balkan nation states.

I understand the meaning of the suffix, but was ignorant as to its broad application and history.

[Dejan]

What about 'evski'?

Constellation, how could you not know the above which you have mentioned? It's almost a (Macedonian) educated assumption/observation.

[VMRO]

There are even Macedonians with surname "Malenko"

I have even come across Macedonians with their last name ending in just an N.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by VMRO

There are even Macedonians with surname "Malenko"

What a ridiculous name.

Originally Posted by VMRO

I have even come across Macedonians with their last name ending in just an N.

Usually reserved for the "domazet"

[DedoAleko]

A greek passport that belonged to a grandmother of mine (my fathers side) issued 1930 has a visa from the kingdom of yugoslavia in it. I can't read how our family surname is written in "greek",but the visa details are written in cyrillic and our family surname is written without a suffix.
I also have some bulgarian papiers where our surname is "slightly" adapted (to sound more bulgarian I guess),but most interesting is my grandmother's (my mothers side) first name history.Born (in what is today RoM) as Tashka (Ташка) and that is how we all called her, then at some point the bulgarians came and gave her new birth certificate and changed her name to Nadezda (Надежда),then the serbs came and gave her yet another birth certificate where she is registered as Nada (Нада)!

[makedonche]

Dedo Aleko
How many more changes are we going to allow before we do something about it?