The sound of ancient languages - Page 3

Soldier of Macedon · 02-13-2009, 08:30 PM

Spartan, can we get a pargraph or two from Homeric Greek? From what you have seen, how does it measure up when reading it compared to modern Greek?

Spartan · 02-13-2009, 08:56 PM

Like night and day
I would need to take a course to understand the AG
It is obvious at first glance that it is Greek, and many of the words are the same, names as well obviously. I can read and pronounce every word(by MG standards) , but cant understand, apart from a sentence or word here and there.
I would have to think a course would be required to fully understand AG, even for the most fluent Greek speaker

Heres a link to the iliad in ancient Greek

http://www.ancientgreekonline.com/Iliad/Iliad.htm

and some original text-

Demos · 02-13-2009, 09:41 PM

I understand a fair amount of ancient Hellenic even though I am not an expert, nor a student of ancient Hellenic. I understand Byzantine Greek as well as it is the language of the liturgy in the Hellenic Orthodox Church.

The person speaking ancient Hellenic is not a Greek person, but a foreigner attempting to speak ancient Hellenic. He is doing a horrible job at the accent. He cannot even pronounce correctly most vowels.

This is Byzantine Greek which is totally understandable to me

YouTube - Greek Orthodox Christian Byzantine Music in AgSofia Kabarnos Î²Ï…Î¶Î±Î½Ï„Î¹Î½Î® Î¼Î¿Ï…ÏƒÎ¹ÎºÎ®

Soldier of Macedon · 02-13-2009, 10:06 PM

You can understand next to jack in ancient Greek, spoken is different from written, and the Greek of East Rome which your language is based on today after being butchered from all angles was not the same as the Greek of Homer.

Dimko-piperkata · 02-14-2009, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slovak/Anomaly/Tomas

Dimko, there is no such thing as a fake language. Shocking? Wake up, asshole!

first, when there are fake states, there are fake languages! get it once.

second, i do not insult u, why do u insult me ?

something to hide?
ill?
nervous?
shocked?
whats werong with u ?

Delodephius · 02-14-2009, 07:08 AM

There is no such thing as a fake state. It exists or it doesn't.

Just for curiosity, define "fake"?

And get over with the insults, little girl. I'll insult you no matter what, because in my opinion you deserved it.

Dimko-piperkata · 02-14-2009, 09:16 AM

last warning to u, @slovak...if u r going ahead to insulting me, then U start a war with me.

Delodephius · 02-14-2009, 11:52 AM

Whatever... Your on my ignore list.

Risto the Great · 02-14-2009, 04:19 PM

Dimko, you will be starting a war with a kid. Think about that.

SAT, your responses in this regard are beneath you and I am very confident you will not respond like that as you mature.

Risto the Great · 02-14-2009, 04:50 PM

For what its worth, I do not feel that it is a fake language. It WAS real 2000 years ago.
But it did not represent a natural development path due to being imposed on the various races of modern Greece 180 years ago. Dimko's meaning of "fake" refers to this imposition and the fact that it was a historical language that nobody spoke. Fair call IMO.

02-13-2009, 08:30 PM	#21
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	Spartan, can we get a pargraph or two from Homeric Greek? From what you have seen, how does it measure up when reading it compared to modern Greek? __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

02-13-2009, 08:56 PM	#22
Spartan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,037	Like night and day I would need to take a course to understand the AG It is obvious at first glance that it is Greek, and many of the words are the same, names as well obviously. I can read and pronounce every word(by MG standards) , but cant understand, apart from a sentence or word here and there. I would have to think a course would be required to fully understand AG, even for the most fluent Greek speaker Heres a link to the iliad in ancient Greek http://www.ancientgreekonline.com/Iliad/Iliad.htm and some original text- Last edited by Spartan; 02-13-2009 at 09:51 PM.

02-13-2009, 09:41 PM	#23
Demos Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 325	I understand a fair amount of ancient Hellenic even though I am not an expert, nor a student of ancient Hellenic. I understand Byzantine Greek as well as it is the language of the liturgy in the Hellenic Orthodox Church. The person speaking ancient Hellenic is not a Greek person, but a foreigner attempting to speak ancient Hellenic. He is doing a horrible job at the accent. He cannot even pronounce correctly most vowels. This is Byzantine Greek which is totally understandable to me YouTube - Greek Orthodox Christian Byzantine Music in AgSofia Kabarnos Î²Ï…Î¶Î±Î½Ï„Î¹Î½Î® Î¼Î¿Ï…ÏƒÎ¹ÎºÎ® Last edited by Demos; 02-13-2009 at 09:44 PM.

02-13-2009, 10:06 PM	#24
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	You can understand next to jack in ancient Greek, spoken is different from written, and the Greek of East Rome which your language is based on today after being butchered from all angles was not the same as the Greek of Homer. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

02-14-2009, 07:08 AM	#26
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	There is no such thing as a fake state. It exists or it doesn't. Just for curiosity, define "fake"? And get over with the insults, little girl. I'll insult you no matter what, because in my opinion you deserved it. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family. Last edited by Delodephius; 02-14-2009 at 07:10 AM.

02-14-2009, 09:16 AM	#27
Dimko-piperkata Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Occupied Macedonia 1913 Posts: 1,876	last warning to u, @slovak...if u r going ahead to insulting me, then U start a war with me. __________________ 1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum... 2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum...

02-14-2009, 11:52 AM	#28
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	Whatever... Your on my ignore list. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family. Last edited by Delodephius; 02-14-2009 at 01:10 PM.

02-14-2009, 04:19 PM	#29
Risto the Great Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Colony of Australia Posts: 15,640	Dimko, you will be starting a war with a kid. Think about that. SAT, your responses in this regard are beneath you and I am very confident you will not respond like that as you mature. __________________ Risto the Great MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA "Holding my breath for the revolution." Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

02-14-2009, 04:50 PM	#30
Risto the Great Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Colony of Australia Posts: 15,640	For what its worth, I do not feel that it is a fake language. It WAS real 2000 years ago. But it did not represent a natural development path due to being imposed on the various races of modern Greece 180 years ago. Dimko's meaning of "fake" refers to this imposition and the fact that it was a historical language that nobody spoke. Fair call IMO. __________________ Risto the Great MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA "Holding my breath for the revolution." Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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