The sound of ancient languages

Delodephius · 02-13-2009, 06:05 PM

Compared to Modern Greek, how much is Classical Greek different? I know some of you speak Greek, so I was just wondering what's your lay opinion about it compared to the ancient version. How much can you understand and what about the accent?

YouTube - The Iliad XXIV

Soldier of Macedon · 02-13-2009, 06:26 PM

Is that what ancient Greek sounded like??

Soldier of Macedon · 02-13-2009, 06:27 PM

The "D" is hard instead of soft.

Dimko-piperkata · 02-13-2009, 06:29 PM

slovak, the orginal version is in old macedonian language written.
dont waste your time to compare a fake with a fake, wake up.

Soldier of Macedon · 02-13-2009, 06:29 PM

How about the 'TH', is it soft also?

The above recorded sounds nothing like modern Greek.

Delodephius · 02-13-2009, 06:55 PM

The guy who reads it is not exactly an expert, but he's trying. I found a website with several ancient poetry read by professional scholars/poets who made it sound pretty good:
http://www.rhapsodes.fll.vt.edu/Greek.htm

Here is an excerpt from Demosthenes:
http://www.rhapsodes.fll.vt.edu/demosthenes.htm

And a better reading of the Illiad:
http://www.rhapsodes.fll.vt.edu/iliad1.htm

To me, ancient Greek kinda sounds like Hungarian for some reason. The accent I mean, but Hungarian accent has nothing to do with Greek.

Delodephius · 02-13-2009, 06:57 PM

Dimko, there is no such thing as a fake language. Shocking? Wake up, asshole!

Soldier of Macedon · 02-13-2009, 06:59 PM

Slovak, do we know what language the Iliad was originally written in, was it 'Homeric' Greek or Pelasgian or something else?

Delodephius · 02-13-2009, 07:11 PM

Who knows! But use logic. The author(s) of Iliad favour(s) the Achaeans not Trojans. I would say the Iliad is the Greek version of the story, so it was most likely in Homeric Greek or it's older version or some dialect of it.

Spartan · 02-13-2009, 07:16 PM

I have read, that there is a bigger difference in the Greek of Homer to the Greek of Xenophon, than the Greek of Xenophon to todays Greek.(hope that made sense, lol)

Homer- 900-800 bc
Xenophon-500-400bc

The Illiad and Odyssey were written in Ancient Greek

What is a fake language?
How can that be?
Its either a language or not, no?

Anyways, I will find some info on this topic and post it here for you guys

02-13-2009, 06:05 PM	#1
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	The sound of ancient languages Compared to Modern Greek, how much is Classical Greek different? I know some of you speak Greek, so I was just wondering what's your lay opinion about it compared to the ancient version. How much can you understand and what about the accent? YouTube - The Iliad XXIV __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family. Last edited by Delodephius; 02-13-2009 at 06:08 PM.

02-13-2009, 06:26 PM	#2
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	Is that what ancient Greek sounded like?? __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

02-13-2009, 06:27 PM	#3
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	The "D" is hard instead of soft. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

02-13-2009, 06:29 PM	#4
Dimko-piperkata Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Occupied Macedonia 1913 Posts: 1,876	slovak, the orginal version is in old macedonian language written. dont waste your time to compare a fake with a fake, wake up. __________________ 1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum... 2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum...

02-13-2009, 06:29 PM	#5
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	How about the 'TH', is it soft also? The above recorded sounds nothing like modern Greek. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

02-13-2009, 06:55 PM	#6
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	The guy who reads it is not exactly an expert, but he's trying. I found a website with several ancient poetry read by professional scholars/poets who made it sound pretty good: http://www.rhapsodes.fll.vt.edu/Greek.htm Here is an excerpt from Demosthenes: http://www.rhapsodes.fll.vt.edu/demosthenes.htm And a better reading of the Illiad: http://www.rhapsodes.fll.vt.edu/iliad1.htm To me, ancient Greek kinda sounds like Hungarian for some reason. The accent I mean, but Hungarian accent has nothing to do with Greek. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family. Last edited by Delodephius; 02-13-2009 at 06:59 PM.

02-13-2009, 06:57 PM	#7
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	Dimko, there is no such thing as a fake language. Shocking? Wake up, asshole! __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

02-13-2009, 06:59 PM	#8
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	Slovak, do we know what language the Iliad was originally written in, was it 'Homeric' Greek or Pelasgian or something else? __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

02-13-2009, 07:11 PM	#9
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	Who knows! But use logic. The author(s) of Iliad favour(s) the Achaeans not Trojans. I would say the Iliad is the Greek version of the story, so it was most likely in Homeric Greek or it's older version or some dialect of it. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

02-13-2009, 07:16 PM	#10
Spartan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,037	I have read, that there is a bigger difference in the Greek of Homer to the Greek of Xenophon, than the Greek of Xenophon to todays Greek.(hope that made sense, lol) Homer- 900-800 bc Xenophon-500-400bc The Illiad and Odyssey were written in Ancient Greek What is a fake language? How can that be? Its either a language or not, no? Anyways, I will find some info on this topic and post it here for you guys

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