Political Scandals and Judiciary Corruption in Macedonia

[Volokin]

Macedonia PM accused of taking USD 22 million bribe
AFP | Skopje
March 27, 2015 Last Updated at 01:02 IST

Macedonian opposition leader Zoran Zaev today accused conservative Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski of accepting a USD 22 million bribe from Chinese firms to grant them motorways construction concessions.

"This is one of the biggest corruption scandals not only in our country but in the whole region," Zaev, head of the main opposition SDSM party, told a press conference.

Zaev accused Gruevski of awarding the construction of two highway sections to Chinese firms without a tender.

The total value of works carried out on the western Kicevo-Ohrid highway and the eastern Miladinovci-Stip motorway was estimated at 570 million euros, Zaev said.

The deal was backed by parliament last October.

Recent bitter exchanges between the government and the opposition have pushed the former Yugoslav republic into a deep political crisis this year.

In January, the government filed a complaint against Zaev and several other people for espionage and violence against officials.

The opposition leader rejected the allegations and in turn accused the government of wiretapping at least 20,000 people, including politicians, journalists and religious leaders.

Earlier this month, Zaev called on the prime minister to resign, form an interim government and organise "fair and democratic" early elections.

European Union officials have expressed concern over the "deteriorated political dialogue" in Macedonia, and called for a thorough investigation.

Zaev has previously said the crisis could not be resolved "without interference of the international community".

Meanwhile, local media reported that government and opposition representatives were expected to hold EU-mediated talks on Monday in Brussels to address the crisis.

The Socialists have been boycotting the Macedonian parliament for almost a year, alleging electoral fraud during early polls held in April 2014.

The next parliamentary elections are due in 2018.

The Balkan country obtained EU candidate status in 2005, but is yet to begin accession talks.

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[Gocka]

This is where he loses all credibility for me. The last thing any sane person should want is the "international community" getting involved, the same "International Community" that is waging a dozen wars around the globe all why "helping" some on or the other. No thank you STAY OUT. Even if Gruevski needs to be ousted, we can do it from with in.

Originally Posted by Volokin

Zaev has previously said the crisis could not be resolved "without interference of the international community".

[George S.]

They have a vested interest to destabilize macedonia and bring f own the ruling party.by hook or crook.

[George S.]

They got a vested interest they want power at any cost.;

[ramo]

Latest conversations.

Gruevsku made a deal with ali ahmeti for dismissal of the 4 cases where albanian terrorists are convinced about crimes against humanity against macedonian citizens. He pushes the parliament members to vote for the law which protected UCK members from court prosecution, altough some of them did not wanted to. But publicly he pretends that the parliament voted the law and he as prime minister must sign it. sdsm voted against this law.

In 2011 Gruevski is asked in the parliament
"Why did you gave amnesty to the terrorists" on which gruevski replied

"Како и да е, ќе одговорам на првото прашање на кое веќе дадов одговор во деновите кога се формираше Владата. Тука бев во парламентот, од оваа позиција го дадов одговорот на денот на изборот на Влада, кога кажав дека, ќе парафразирам, јас искрено жалам за случувањата што се имаат случено во 2001 година и сочувствувам со семејствата на киднапираните, загинатите и итн., од тој конфликт и дека како човек навистина тешко го примам сето тоа, но како премиер јас морам да се согласам со одлуката на Парламентот која беше заради цели кои парламентот ги образложил."

which clearly shows that he is a big liar and manipulator. It is unclear to me why the people in diaspora still believe him when he is telling nothing but lies in order to get personal gain. He is no patriot at all. He also put minister from UCK as head of ministry of defense.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by ramo

Latest conversations.

Gruevsku made a deal with ali ahmeti for dismissal of the 4 cases where albanian terrorists are convinced about crimes against humanity against macedonian citizens. He pushes the parliament members to vote for the law which protected UCK members from court prosecution, altough some of them did not wanted to. But publicly he pretends that the parliament voted the law and he as prime minister must sign it. sdsm voted against this law.

In 2011 Gruevski is asked in the parliament
"Why did you gave amnesty to the terrorists" on which gruevski replied

"Како и да е, ќе одговорам на првото прашање на кое веќе дадов одговор во деновите кога се формираше Владата. Тука бев во парламентот, од оваа позиција го дадов одговорот на денот на изборот на Влада, кога кажав дека, ќе парафразирам, јас искрено жалам за случувањата што се имаат случено во 2001 година и сочувствувам со семејствата на киднапираните, загинатите и итн., од тој конфликт и дека како човек навистина тешко го примам сето тоа, но како премиер јас морам да се согласам со одлуката на Парламентот која беше заради цели кои парламентот ги образложил."

which clearly shows that he is a big liar and manipulator. It is unclear to me why the people in diaspora still believe him when he is telling nothing but lies in order to get personal gain. He is no patriot at all. He also put minister from UCK as head of ministry of defense.

Ramo, can you please provide a link?

[George S.]

I have confirmed with the macedonian ziteli that they have lost faith in gruevski.THey confirm rxactly what tom is saying.Gruevski is a liar and is continually selling out on macedonia.It is losing ground by capitulations and proctastinations to yhe likes of the uck.No wonder he is also negotiating our name with our enemies.

[DraganOfStip]

Couldn't find a webpage containing the audio or transcripts from the conversations,so this is taken from SDSM's Youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9dyPs00-t8

[ramo]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Ramo, can you please provide a link?

DraganOfStip provided the audio recording.

I would like to comment on this matter. In 2002 a law was passed that gave amnesty to the people involved in war conflict in Macedonia in 2001. Most of the people in Macedonia were against, but the politician agreed to this so the UCK terrorists can lay down their arms. This was voted by the macedonian and albanian political parties. But there were 4 cases in which 12 macedonians were kidnapped, torchured and some killed brutally by the albanian terrorists (including timed bomb tied to one man body). Hague international court gave these cases to the Macedonian courts.

Later another law was voted, (Authentic interpreting of the "Law for amnesty of UCK fighters") which closed these cases which involved crimes against humanity. We hear that gruevski is the main promoter of this amnesty of the people involved in crimes against humanity so he can rule in peace later and have personal gain (So far we knew that he signed this which did not made him any less traitor).

One thing is important in case like this. The brainwashing pro government media brutally manipulated this fact. They published listings of people in the parliament that vote for the law in 2002 which did not gave amnesty to these people and not the listing of the law voted in 2011 in which all vmro parliament members together with the ethnic albanian members of parliament voted this law. These brainwashing media did not even attempt to hide the fact that the so called patriotic party vmro voted this law from 2011 but manipulated that sdsm members also voted this law, which they (media) knew that it is absolutely 100 % false. So now (combined with the fact that still no audio recordings are released on these shit propaganda media) we have a situation when many Macedonian citizen still have no idea what was going on and they heard only sdsm in negative context on TV, vmro was not even mentioned. From what was published, this is the list of people that gave amnesty to these people who commited crimes against humanity on macedonians.

http://libertas.mk/%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B...%D0%B0-%D0%B7/

The names i recognize in this list, all vmro members voted YES and all sdsm voted NO. This does not mean that sdsm didn't do this only for personal political gain, but means that vmro are obedient people that listen to their leader anyway no matter how bad decision he makes. I personally think that if gruevski says there will be name change, 70 percent of everyday supporters will be obedient and 95 percent of vmro parliament members as well).

[DraganOfStip]

Originally Posted by ramo

The names i recognize in this list, all vmro members voted YES and all sdsm voted NO. This does not mean that sdsm didn't do this only for personal political gain,

Exactly,they knew that whether they vote "yea" or "nay" wouldn't make any difference because the ruling coalition had more than enough votes to pass the law without SDSM's votes,so they just wanted to add some political points from the people.
A trick used by many oposition parties everywhere.

but means that vmro are obedient people that listen to their leader anyway no matter how bad decision he makes

DPMNE's membership and support has grown rapidly since their coming to power in 2006,mostly due to state company employments of party members and subsequently family members of those members voting for them as act of gratitude and/or in order for the person in question to keep that job.So,most of the post 2006 members are members that vote and support DPMNE because of that and ONLY that.
I bet more than 50% of DPMNE members have never read the party statute or program,and when they go to party meetings they play Candy Crush on their smartphones in order to pass their time.They simply rally on party meetings in the campaign throughout the republic waving the party flag,wearing party shirts ,booing when SDSM is mentioned and cheering when Grujo mentions his "deeds" for their country because they have to,not because they want to.
I personally know a married couple that joined Dzingo's Socialist party (the "sunflower on-duty" throughout the transition period,always in coalition with any ruling party in every government so far) a while ago and now they both have a state job - the guy works in the local prison and his wife was recently employed as a full-time nurse in the hospital.
They're both very opened that they have no clue what the party program is,just appearing on party meetings to get their names checked (proving they attended the meeting) and only joined the party because of employment.
But they also have to bring their immediate family members out to vote and so the party has additional votes and this is the apparatus that keeps DPMNE in power all this time.

I personally think that if gruevski says there will be name change, 70 percent of everyday supporters will be obedient and 95 percent of vmro parliament members as well).

Here I disagree.
Doing that would be a political suicide and I don't think Macedonian people will fall so low to obey such a thing.
They have turned a blind eye to too many of Gruevski's wrongdoings and I think that would be the last drop.