Political Scandals and Judiciary Corruption in Macedonia - Page 4

DraganOfStip · 03-18-2015, 09:02 AM

Here are transcripts of bugged phone calls from today's press conference:

http://novatv.mk/index.php?navig=8&cat=2&vest=21025

George S. · 03-18-2015, 02:08 PM

From what I have heard gruevski's numbers seem to be up.He is a very hated and disliked person.People say how much he has deceived them and pulled the rug from under them.

Gocka · 03-18-2015, 08:00 PM

What I cant figure out is why no one in Macedonia is taking the bugging scandal seriously. To be honest it looks like no one believes it. Apart from staunch SDSM supporters, no one is taking it seriously.

DraganOfStip · 03-19-2015, 10:01 AM

Transcripts from today's press release,showing DPMNE party members "arranging" indictments/acquittals with judges,electing judges and prosecutors etc:

http://novatv.mk/index.php?navig=8&cat=2&vest=21055

ramo · 03-21-2015, 10:14 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z90phKUPrn0&t=10

This is video from today protest and attempt to enter the Macedonian national TV which refuses to publish the conversations.

DraganOfStip · 03-24-2015, 06:44 AM

Interview that Zaev did for German media Deutsche Welle:

http://www.dw.de/%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B5%...-4727-xml-mrss

George S. · 03-25-2015, 03:50 PM

they really have gone mad.

Gocka · 03-26-2015, 07:12 AM

This whole thing can be solved very quickly. If the recordings are in fact fakes that have taken bits and pieces of real recordings and spliced them together, then its pretty easy to check them. No matter how well they are made, if they were tested by specialists, they can tell by the background noise when two different recordings have been merged into one. If VMRO and co want to absolve themselves then just send out the recordings to and independent 3rd party for testing and see if they are manipulated.

ramo · 03-26-2015, 11:42 AM

There was one audio recording 1 year ago also the prime minister involved. They did not wanted expertise to be done on the recording in foreign independent institution although the opposition and part of the public asked it to be done . The public prosecutor did nothing even though it is his constitutional and lawful obligation. He is also relative with some of the highest ranked people in the government so it will be foolish to expect that now they will do that. The recordings today were very interesting, anybody interested can hear them if he spend 3 seconds using google search.

Gocka · 03-26-2015, 08:43 PM

Why doesn't SDSM send them out to be verified, that way if a third part confirms that the recordings are not fakes they will gain more legitimacy.

03-18-2015, 09:02 AM	#31
DraganOfStip Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Malta Posts: 1,253	Here are transcripts of bugged phone calls from today's press conference: http://novatv.mk/index.php?navig=8&cat=2&vest=21025 __________________ ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” ― George Orwell

03-18-2015, 02:08 PM	#32
George S. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,116	From what I have heard gruevski's numbers seem to be up.He is a very hated and disliked person.People say how much he has deceived them and pulled the rug from under them. __________________ "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse" GOTSE DELCEV

03-19-2015, 10:01 AM	#34
DraganOfStip Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Malta Posts: 1,253	Transcripts from today's press release,showing DPMNE party members "arranging" indictments/acquittals with judges,electing judges and prosecutors etc: http://novatv.mk/index.php?navig=8&cat=2&vest=21055 __________________ ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” ― George Orwell Last edited by DraganOfStip; 03-19-2015 at 10:03 AM.

03-24-2015, 06:44 AM	#36
DraganOfStip Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Malta Posts: 1,253	Interview that Zaev did for German media Deutsche Welle: http://www.dw.de/%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B5%...-4727-xml-mrss __________________ ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” ― George Orwell

03-25-2015, 03:50 PM	#37
George S. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,116	they really have gone mad. __________________ "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse" GOTSE DELCEV

03-18-2015, 08:00 PM	#33
Gocka Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ohrid Posts: 2,306	What I cant figure out is why no one in Macedonia is taking the bugging scandal seriously. To be honest it looks like no one believes it. Apart from staunch SDSM supporters, no one is taking it seriously.

03-21-2015, 10:14 AM	#35
ramo Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 117	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z90phKUPrn0&t=10 This is video from today protest and attempt to enter the Macedonian national TV which refuses to publish the conversations.

03-26-2015, 07:12 AM	#38
Gocka Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ohrid Posts: 2,306	This whole thing can be solved very quickly. If the recordings are in fact fakes that have taken bits and pieces of real recordings and spliced them together, then its pretty easy to check them. No matter how well they are made, if they were tested by specialists, they can tell by the background noise when two different recordings have been merged into one. If VMRO and co want to absolve themselves then just send out the recordings to and independent 3rd party for testing and see if they are manipulated.

03-26-2015, 11:42 AM	#39
ramo Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 117	There was one audio recording 1 year ago also the prime minister involved. They did not wanted expertise to be done on the recording in foreign independent institution although the opposition and part of the public asked it to be done . The public prosecutor did nothing even though it is his constitutional and lawful obligation. He is also relative with some of the highest ranked people in the government so it will be foolish to expect that now they will do that. The recordings today were very interesting, anybody interested can hear them if he spend 3 seconds using google search.

03-26-2015, 08:43 PM	#40
Gocka Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ohrid Posts: 2,306	Why doesn't SDSM send them out to be verified, that way if a third part confirms that the recordings are not fakes they will gain more legitimacy.

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