2021 Macedonian Citizenship Law, Census and Local Elections
 

Zaev/SDSM supported the controversial citizenship law and it is now passed/adopted.

URL:
[url]https://pressingtv.mk/makedonija/usvoen-zakonot-makedonsko-drzavjanstvo-kje-se-dobiva-so-platena-smetka-za-struja/[/url]
[url]https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/parliament-adopts-law-that-enables-obtaining-citizenship-with-paid-electricity-bills/[/url]
[QUOTE]Parliament adopts law that enables obtaining citizenship with paid electricity bills

MACEDONIA 29.07.2021

The Parliament adopted Thursday the Law on Amendments to the Law on Citizenship. A total of 89 MPs voted for the amendments, with 57 “for” and 32 “against”. The amendments to the law should resolve the status of the people from the former Yugoslav republics who lived in the country until the day of the declaration of independence. They will need to obtain citizenship within three years of the law’s entry into force. Earlier, during the debate on the proposed amendments to the Law, the MP from the VMRO-DPMNE parliamentary group, Bojan Stojanovski said that this issue should not be seen as an issue that covers ethnicity, but should be seen legally. It is in the interest of all citizens to adopt a legal solution, which will be able to solve the problems of persons affected by this issue and will guarantee all constitutional and legal norms of the country, said Stojanovski. He stressed that the legal solution should be decided by consensus, and not by not accepting the remarks of the opposition.[/QUOTE]

DPNE Traitors support SDSM in Parliament to give 80,000 passports to Albanians from Kosovo

URL:
[url]https://www.minareport.com/dpne-traitors-support-sdsm-in-parliament-to-give-80000-passports-to-albanians-from-kosovo/[/url]

No comment is necessary. DPNE’s “patriots” who run on chinese batteries ensured Zaev has enough MPs to vote on the highly illegal citizenship law that would ensure tens of thousands of Albanians from Kosovo receive Macedonian citizenship for as much as having bought a cell phone or visited a doctor in Macedonia.

The only way to make sense of this treachery is knowing that Albanians can be bought by either of the main Macedonian parties. The only real question is "at what price?"

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;185209]The only way to make sense of this treachery is knowing that Albanians can be bought by either of the main Macedonian parties. The only real question is "at what price?"[/QUOTE]

The price might be "catastrophic census" results which we'll soon witness.

[url]https://www.dw.com/mk/%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BA-%D1%9C%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%B5-%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B0%D1%82-%D0%BD%D0%B0-17-%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B8/a-58662037[/url]
[QUOTE]27 July 21 - The coincidence of the census with the election campaign will not change anything, and it is possible that the census will end earlier, said Prime Minister Zoran Zaev. Local elections, however, will be held on October 17. The Prime Minister Zoran Zaev cut about the possible combinatorics and informed that there will be no changes to the date set in the Electoral Code, regarding the holding of the autumn elections. Despite the dilemmas of matching the census with the local election campaign, it has been determined that the date of the elections remains October 17. According to the Prime Minister, the census may end earlier than the deadline. "There were dilemmas due to the three days matching the census with the campaign, but in the end it was decided that the three days do not change anything, the census is an activity that ends during the day, the campaigns are conducted in the evening. The census has always been conducted for 20 days, this time 30 days are determined, and it can really be completed earlier. "There is enough time, there is no need for any changes in the election date," said Zaev.

Regarding the threshold for submitting independent lists, it has been agreed that it will be two percent of the total number of voters. "If the municipality has 10 thousand voters, it needs 200 signatures to submit an independent list. "If there are 50,000 voters, an independent list should be submitted with a thousand signatures," said Zaev. The negotiations were conducted for more than a month with the participation of all parliamentary political parties, agreeing on the date of the elections, the modalities for open or closed lists, as well as all OSCE / ODIHR recommendations, including the recommendation to unify the threshold of necessary signatures for submitting the lists. Regarding the possibility of a coalition with BESA, Zaev says that they will have some kind of coalition with all coalition partners due to the specifics of the local elections, but in the second round. SDSM previously demanded the consent of the parties to schedule the elections for October 31, in order to avoid their overlap with the autumn census. The opposition did not accept such a proposal and demanded that the elections be held on October 17, as required by the Constitution. The Alliance for Albanians also said it was in favor of the October 17th elections.[/QUOTE]

This appears to be Zaev, Mickoski and their Albanian pals making sure they maintain a monopoly over the elections.
[QUOTE][url]https://www.vecer.press/%d0%be%d1%82%d0%b2%d0%be%d1%80%d0%b5%d0%bd%d0%b8-%d1%81%d0%be%d0%b2%d0%b5%d1%82%d0%bd%d0%b8%d1%87%d0%ba%d0%b8-%d0%bb%d0%b8%d1%81%d1%82%d0%b8-%d1%81%d0%be-%d0%bf%d1%80%d0%b0%d0%b3-%d0%be%d0%b4-3-%d0%bf/?fbclid=IwAR0nj6CD6kJjEtKmWYqBuwb_6iVq12AXIof9uC3z-LH-W3Np5DQDfVdt6Xc[/url]

One constituency and an open list of parliamentary elections, not local elections, are sought by some of the non-parliamentary political parties, after the news arrived that the major political parties had reached an agreement on the issue of open lists in the local elections. According to the new election code agreed between SDSM and VMRO-DPMNE - independent advisory groups will have to collect signatures of 2 percent of the total number of voters registered in one municipality. The changes will enter the Assembly. There will be no open councilor lists with a threshold of 3 percent, but unofficially, the government will propose a 2 percent threshold for independent councilor lists. That is, it was agreed between the government and the small parties, that they should ask for that article to be abolished, and for the government to accept it. [/QUOTE]
And Pendarovski acting like a saviour.
[QUOTE][url]https://mkdenes.mk/post4262/[/url]

The President of the country, Stevo Pendarovski, announced that he will not sign the Electoral Code which requires the signatures of two percent of the voters in the municipality for independent candidates to be able to participate in the local elections. The President is decisive that if the changes are adopted in the Parliament these days, he will not sign them, because it is impossible for other entities to enter the political scene. "There is no logic for me, as president and the highest body in the country, to run with 10,000 signatures, and for that much to also be needed for councilors in the City of Skopje. The OSCE / ODIHR recommendation is up to 1%. "The elections cannot be announced on August 6, and the changes made two days before that," Pendarovski said, answering a journalist question at today's press briefing. Pendarovski says that he would sign changes before the elections only if there is a general consensus for a new one, which does not exist at the moment.[/QUOTE]

There are not enough census workers for upcoming census, but it will still go ahead as planned. It will be more than likely rigged; plus add the new "citizenship laws" which are open to abuse.

URL:
[url]https://www.expres.mk/nema-dovolno-popishuvachi-no-popisot-nema-da-se-odlozhuva/[/url]

According to the director of the State Statistical Office, Apostol Simovski, after yesterday's application deadline, the situation is the same as before, with the lowest turnout in Skopje, Strumica, Novo Selo and Albanian-majority areas.

The census operations have officially started. B. Osmani said this morning 200,000+ people in the diaspora have been registered.

Albanian news website Lajm indulges in an attack on Macedonian census officials in Kumanovo for not speaking Albanian

[url]https://www.expres.mk/lajm-albanci-od-kumanovo-revoltirani-ne-popishuvaat-makedonci-za-da-ne-provociraat/[/url]

Interesting fact. In the municipality of Tetovo, 76,000 people have been registered so far (..5 days left).

In 2002 there were 86,580 people.

[url]https://denesen.mk/vo-opshtina-tetovo-dosega-popishani-76-iljadi-lica-vo-2002-imalo-86-580/[/url]

A total of 1,695,549 persons, 526,605 households and 752,916 apartments were counted until 8 pm on Monday in Macedonia’s 2021 Population and Housing Census, according to the State Statistical Office on Tuesday.

These are the alleged numbers despite the quorum party DPNE extending the census registration by 5 days! Legally, and officially the census ended on September 25th, but they are still “counting”, there is even talks of extending it, again!

Keep in mind, there are 1.88m residents who vote, which means over 350,000 residents under the age of 18 are unaccounted for!

199,819 citizens who live abroad have submitted their applications online so far.

Today is the 24rd day of the 2021 Census and there are still two days of census activities to go.

[url]https://www.minareport.com/macedonians-continue-with-boycott-of-fabricated-census-1-69m-registered-near-the-end/[/url]

I suspect the number is manipulated just enough (low enough) to try and legitimise the referendum on the name.

1,832,696 is the final number.
Less 204,805 in the Diaspora.

So 1,627,891 in country.

Taking the likely % of those under voting age (18) as being about 21% (based on last census, Albania's age demographic as the high level and the average of the other neighbouring countries).
So less 341,857.

That leaves 1,286,033 in country, at voting age.

50% of that is 643,016 and with a 667K turnout in the name referendum, they'll argue it was legitimate given the 50% voter turnout.

And I think that's the aim of this.

Which is why even just 50K adults living in Macedonia who may have been convinced to boycott the census, may have been the difference to keep the referendum officially invalid.

Also, lots of reports all around d that they we're not door knocked (intentionally, to keep the number just low enough), etc and therefore not evidenced in the census.

What has been unclear to me (and what I'm hoping I've understood incorrectly and therefore makes my previous post all wrong) is whether the 204K in the Diaspora is in addition to the 1.83M figure of the census, or included in that figure.

I believe it's not included, but I might be mistaken.

On another note, I read a story that around 15,000 people have been registered in the municipality of Debar. In the last census from 20 years ago, the municipality of Debar had 20,000 people.

Story from Mina:

"As the census numbers came in this morning, hilarity ensued considering Macedonia has 1.86m registered voters!? Wrap your head around that! MINA’s own high placed sources within the Ministry of Interior have confirmed repeatedly that the number of Albanians in Macedonia has never exceeded 14.7%, a data readily available in the MOI system since every ethnic Albanian checks “Albanian” on their application when obtaining their IDs. In fact, due to massive emigration to Germany, Switzerland and Belgium, the MOI now says there are even less Albanians in the country, around 13.1%."

[url]https://www.minareport.com/macedonian-govt-census-numbers-to-be-released-in-6-months/#[/url]

Goce Cvetkovski is running for Mayor of Ohrid as an independent.

I was watching him go head to head with DPMNE and SDSM candidates on Televizija 24 and found him pretty funny and most importantly spoke many truths.

He is anti both main political parties and isn’t afraid to say what he thinks.. clearly!

He has apparently lived in the US for 10 years as he was studying there.

I’m sure many of you will find this a great watch as well, it’s 18 mins worth of what Goce said on the show.

[url]https://www.facebook.com/strugabojkotira/videos/587588779105902/?vh=e&extid=0[/url]

This is the full show: [url]https://youtu.be/EMqZrsXv62w[/url]

He also was on the show with his real Macedonian flag and his shirt “Severna Majkati” lol

Difficult not to like the guy. I think he will win.

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;185374]Difficult not to like the guy. I think he will win.[/QUOTE]

This fills me with hope that all is not lost with Macedonia. For the first time in a long time I have managed to come across a person from that sell-out of a place that is not ashamed to be Macedonian and, shock, horror, even proud to be so. The bitch hosting the debate couldn't even hide her disdain for the guy by constantly interrupting him and talking down to him like he was some sort of village idiot. And it's not hard to see why. He is openly displaying pride in being Macedonian which has instantly triggered her leftist unconscious bias against him. Seeing him draped in the Macedonian flag and displaying a message on his T-shirt that goes against the government's wishes is driving her mad with contempt for the guy. I love the way he rips into those other two worthless pieces of shit while they have no come back and just sit there like stunned mullets with no response to give. I hope he does get voted into office and makes good on his promise to fly the real Macedonian flag in front of the Ohrid Council Chambers.

[QUOTE=Karposh;185375]This fills me with hope that all is not lost with Macedonia. For the first time in a long time I have managed to come across a person from that sell-out of a place that is not ashamed to be Macedonian and, shock, horror, even proud to be so. The bitch hosting the debate couldn't even hide her disdain for the guy by constantly interrupting him and talking down to him like he was some sort of village idiot. And it's not hard to see why. He is openly displaying pride in being Macedonian which has instantly triggered her leftist unconscious bias against him. Seeing him draped in the Macedonian flag and displaying a message on his T-shirt that goes against the government's wishes is driving her mad with contempt for the guy. I love the way he rips into those other two worthless pieces of shit while they have no come back and just sit there like stunned mullets with no response to give. I hope he does get voted into office and makes good on his promise to fly the real Macedonian flag in front of the Ohrid Council Chambers.[/QUOTE] Yes, patrioti are too old fashioned for these modern day progressive types!
How dare you stand up for what you believe in and go against the sell-outs who have no morals or values.

For all the harping on about a better life coming to Macedonia the last 5 years, what good have these morons actually brought to the country?

Here is another shorter interview with Goce:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HqszT7uzbc[/url]

I hope he wins in Ohrid :macedonia

SEC Official Results: DPNE wins in 20 towns, SDSMurtino in 9, DUI in 3

[url]https://www.minareport.com/sec-official-results-dpne-wins-in-19-towns-sdsmurtino-in-9-dui-in-3/[/url]

As announced by the State Election Commission, the final results are in for the mayoral elections and city councilors in 32 municipalities in the country. Votes in other municipalities are still being counted. We’re also adding Kisela Voda to DPNE’s list since the SEC keeps the number of counted votes at 99.88%, however DPNE’s candidate has already secured 52.9% of the vote.

According to the data from the SEC, DPNE won in 20 municipalities in the first round: Bosilovo, Butel, Veles, Vinica, Gazi Baba, Gradsko, Zrnovci, Ilinden, Jegunovce, Kavadarci, Karbinci, Kisela Voda, Mogila, Negotino, Novaci, Petrovec, Prilep, Sveti Nikole, Sopishte, Stip.

SDSMurtino won in 9 municipalities: Berovo, Bogdanci, Valandovo, Delchevo, Dojran, Kriva Palanka, Krivogashtani, Krushevo, Strumica.

DUI won in three municipalities: Lipkovo, Saraj and Plasnica.

Meanwhile, Zaev has blamed his smaller coalition partners for his loss, yet begging the same parties to help SDSMurtino in the 2nd round, pleading for their assistance against “evil that has befallen the country“.

Zaev specifically called on DOM and LPD, who he continuously blamed for the outcome of the vote, and on the other coalition parties, to join with SDSM in the local councils, once they are formed, and more importantly, insisted that his coalition will survive on the central level.

[B]BREAKING: Zaev announces his resignation
[/B]
[url]https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/breaking-zaev-announces-his-resignation/[/url]

Zoran Zaev announced that he is resigning as Prime Minister of Macedonia and as leader of the SDSM party.

The announcement comes after his party suffered major defeat in the local elections, losing almost all important cities and urban centers.

VMRO and the opposition has won in: Skopje, Karposh, Ohrid, Bitola, Kratovo, Pehcevo, Kumanovo, Gevgelija, Vevchani, Resen, Novo Selo, Brvenica

[url]https://www.minareport.com/live-results-vmro-wins-in-skopje-bitola-ohrid-kratovo-pehcevo/[/url]

And now jail for him.

(Economy Minister Kreshnik Bekteshi was personally welcoming planeloads of Albanian voters arriving from Western European countries.)

[B]Planeloads of Albanian emigrants come to Kicevo to vote in the run-off[/B]

URL:
[url]https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/plane-loads-of-albanian-emigrants-come-to-kicevo-to-vote-in-the-run-off/[/url]

TV21 reported on the arrival of up to [B]2,000 ethnic Albanian emigrants[/B] from Kicevo to vote in the crucial second round of mayoral elections.

We come for our Kicevo. We emigrants are ready to help. The diaspora is here for Kicevo, they told TV21. The city has a high emigration rate, especially among its ethnic Albanians, and the parties regularly try to bring as many of the diaspora as they can for the vote.

Kicevo was gerrymandered to become an Albanian majority city and is now the symbolic stronghold of Ali Ahmeti’s DUI party, which faces difficult races in other, larger areas, such as Tetovo, Gostivar and Skopje’s Cair district. VMRO-DPMNE is running doctor Aleksandar Jovanovski as Mayor, against the incumbent DUI appointed Mayor and former UCK terrorist commander Fatmir Dehari.

[B]Jovanovski beat Dehari by 300 votes in the first round, thanks to the emergence of several rival Albanian candidates, one of whom defected from DUI. If their votes go toward Jovanovski, who has inter-ethnic appeal as he is married to an ethnic Albanian, he could defeat Dehari in the second round.[/B]


Kicevo Results

FATMIR DEHARI 3.DUI: [B]12.935[/B] (52,98%)
ALEKSANDAR JOVANOVSKI 7.VMRO-DPMNE: [B]10.828[/B] (44,35%)

Let’s see if that traitorous vermin keeps his word. I strongly opine that he was forced to resign by the powers that control him to maintain the illusion of democracy, he had served his role as useful idiot and was no longer required. He did have a free pass to do what he pleased but I think he overstepped to much and his controllers have realized that he is now more of a liability and I bet that he is going to be thrown under the bus by them

[url]https://kurir.mk/makedonija/vesti/neoficijalni-rezultati-od-popisot-makedonci-62-albanci-29-5-zaedno-so-dijasporata/[/url]

[B]Неофицијални резултати од пописот: Македонци 62%, Албанци 29,5% – заедно со дијаспората[/B]

Уште четири дена нѐ делат од објавувањето на резултатите од Пописот на население.

ТВ21 од извори во Заводот за статистика дознава дел од резултатите во однос на бројот на резидентното и нерезидентното население.

-Неофицијално дознаваме дека во Македонија живеат 1 милион и 800 илјади граѓани. Заедно со дијаспората сме 2.1 милион, што значи дека околу 300 илјади живеат во странство. Вкупниот број граѓани кои имаат матичен број е 2,5 милиони, објави телевизијата.

Заедно со дијаспората, според неофицијални извори, Македонците би излегле од 60 до 62%, Албанците 29,5%, а припадниците на останатите етнички заедници од 8 до 10%, пренесе ТВ 21.

[url]https://kanal5.com.mk/dzs-popis-makedonci-58-44-albanci-24-30/a523314[/url]

ДЗС: Попис- Македонци 58,44%, Албанци 24,30%

Вкупно резидентно население според изјаснувањето за етничка припадност.

Македонци 58, 44%

Албанци 24,30%.

Census results: Macedonians 54.21 percent, Albanians 29.52 percent [B]WITH DIASPORA[/B]

[url]https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/census-results-macedonians-54-21-percent-albanians-29-52-percent/[/url]

If they can lie about a USA election, they can certainly lie about these numbers in Macedonia. Do we have the numbers excluding the diaspora?

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;186301]If they can lie about a USA election, they can certainly lie about these numbers in Macedonia. Do we have the numbers excluding the diaspora?[/QUOTE]

See above post.


"Вкупно резидентно население според изјаснувањето за етничка припадност

Македонци 58, 44%

Албанци 24,30%"

Does anyone believe there are actually more than two million people living in that statelet?

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;186303]Does anyone believe there are actually more than two million people living in that statelet?[/QUOTE]

Definitely not. 1.6m - 1.8m, at most.

Is it only me or the Macedonian Muslims are missing from the census data? They have probably been
'counted/included' wholesale as "Albanians". By some accounts, the "Torbeshi" are between 40,000 - 100,000.

Fallout from the census results continues...

With Gostivar and Tetovo as examples, Dimovski shows how inaccurate the census results are
[url]https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/with-gostivar-and-tetovo-as-examples-dimovski-shows-how-inaccurate-the-census-results-are/[/url]

Bosniaks also find the census unacceptable, they even threatened to leave the ruling coalition
[url]https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/bosniaks-also-find-the-census-unacceptable-they-even-threatened-to-leave-the-ruling-coalition/[/url]

[QUOTE=Carlin;186305]Definitely not. 1.6m - 1.8m, at most.

Is it only me or the Macedonian Muslims are missing from the census data? They have probably been
'counted/included' wholesale as "Albanians". By some accounts, the "Torbeshi" are between 40,000 - 100,000.[/QUOTE]

This happened in 2002 too I believe, Albanian political parties/groups pressured non-Albanian Muslims into declaring themselves "Albanian" on the census.

[QUOTE=Carlin;186306]Fallout from the census results continues...

With Gostivar and Tetovo as examples, Dimovski shows how inaccurate the census results are
[url]https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/with-gostivar-and-tetovo-as-examples-dimovski-shows-how-inaccurate-the-census-results-are/[/url]

Bosniaks also find the census unacceptable, they even threatened to leave the ruling coalition
[url]https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/bosniaks-also-find-the-census-unacceptable-they-even-threatened-to-leave-the-ruling-coalition/[/url][/QUOTE]

I believe the Turks are also unhappy.

[QUOTE=Carlin;186305]Definitely not. 1.6m - 1.8m, at most.

Is it only me or the Macedonian Muslims are missing from the census data? They have probably been
'counted/included' wholesale as "Albanians". By some accounts, the "Torbeshi" are between 40,000 - 100,000.[/QUOTE]

Agree. Is this a conscious decision to count themselves as Albanians or have they been coerced into doing so (assuming that is what is going on here). I know their allegiances can be at times fickle due to the stronger hold their Islamic faith has over their ethnic affiliation or consciousness but this is downright treacherous if true.

[B]Macedonian census numbers rejected as Fraudulent and Laughable[/B]

By Gorazd Velkovski

[url]https://www.minareport.com/macedonian-census-numbers-rejected-as-fraudulent-and-laughable/[/url]

The fiasco called “Macedonian census” ended up indeed being a major waste of state funds. The nonsensical result contradict all state institutions, including the State Statistical Office and the Ministry of Interior.

The census operation started off with the Macedonian diaspora inserting their information into a ‘census application’ built and hosted in Sofia, Bulgaria. The application was marred with huge security flaws, including the fact that anyone could submit their name well over a 100 times, while putting 0s for their unique ID number. No documents of any kind were required in the process. The citizenry was told only people outside Macedonia could access the application, however quickly became evident that thousands of people within Macedonia accessed the application with free VPNs, many filmed themselves doing it.

Once the fraud became evident and was mocked country-wide, the census application was then taken offline. The SSO Director Apostol Simovski admitted “things were not going well“, however was convinced to keep the census operation going thanks to 8,000 euro ‘bonuses’ given to him by the Zaev Government.

Fraudulent Census Numbers

The census result greatly contradicts the SSO and MoI. According to both, there are 2.5m Macedonian citizenships issued. According to the SSO there are 1.85m voters in the country. However, the census result showed there are 1.83m total residents in the country, and no children. There are less people than voters?!? The absurdity doesn’t end there. The Ministry of Interior puts the number of ethnic Albanian IDs issued at 15.2% of the population. The census puts them at 24.7% while it lowered the Macedonians to 59%. The Macedonian diaspora is erased. In Australia, there are over 140,000 Macedonians, however, in the census the number stood at 3,800?

How about this? Kichevo census population: 39,669!! Kichevo registered voters: 50,702!!! If there are 50.7k registered voters, there would be at least 62,000+ population in the census, counting the children. The level of fraud is exponentiated by the fact the US & UK Embassies were the first to “congratulate”.

The SSO Director admitted that if over 100,000 people refuse to register or boycott the census, then the census has failed. Officially, over 132,000 Macedonians boycotted the census. Unofficially, this number is well over 300,000, de facto resulting in an officially failed operation. The author of this text is one of those Macedonians who boycotted the fraudulent census. Not a single member of my extended family was registered! In fact, entire city suburbs refused to be counted. Though it must be noted that no census worker actually appeared on my street.

Our favorite part of the census is the populace being split into “Christians” “Catholics”, “Orthodox”… You can’t be a Christian Orthodox, you can be either or.

The best, the SSO Director Apostol Simovski could do today is claim that the census was “incomplete”. No, Simovski, it is fraudulent, and you should be jailed!

Lastly, most readers do not realize that Apostol Simovski, representing the SDSM, was heavily involved in the first fabricated census back in 2002.

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;186301]If they can lie about a USA election, they can certainly lie about these numbers in Macedonia. Do we have the numbers excluding the diaspora?[/QUOTE]

Looks like you were right to call BS on this Risto. Judging by Carlin's last post, these numbers just don't add up and the lesson is clear - never trust the deep state and the official state-sanctioned narrative they will have you believe. It's clear that there's much more going on behind the scenes in Macedonia (just like everywhere else in the world) and people are well in their rights to question the bullshit the deep state is trying to sell. How can you not be conspiratorial and paranoid when shit like this goes on so blatantly and brazenly. I'm glad there are people in Macedonia that are much more aware than myself and call them out for the bullshit they are trying to sell. These numbers could destroy Macedonia if they are allowed to be blindly accepted as legitimate. Now I just want to know who is benefiting from this and who is pulling the strings and working so hard to destroy Macedonia?

The numbers are perfect for the process of denationalisation. Reducing the claim of the indigenous population within its own state. They are already making every nation a global mongrelised landscape. One of the worst enemies of the new world order are the homogenous nations.

Macedonia is easily manipulated. They would sell their arses for a free ice-cream. But, then again, the covid scam has confirmed that people are easily manipulated and it's painfully all part of human nature. Most people would do the same.