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Risto the Great 09-15-2008 03:02 AM

Macedonia and the European Union
 
Article is from Balkan Insight.

[url]http://balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/13098/[/url]

[QUOTE]Macedonia showed it lacked the institutional capacities to tackle violence and irregularities in the June elections and still has problems with political dialogue, Fouere said, adding that these shortcomings should not be minimized.[/QUOTE]
No. That is not a good enough statement. More needs to explained about their method of assessing the scope of violence and irregularities. Including recommendations related thereto.

What a vague and silly comment.

For as long as Greece, Bulgaria & Romania are in the EU, Macedonia need not worry about crossing all of its "t's" and dotting all of its "i's".

Volk 09-15-2008 05:42 AM

There is no will in EU to expand, Macedonia is left dangling, they will not say you are doing well, they will say waa waa this and that, change your name...

Go fuck yourself! Racist swine

GREEKoccupiedMacedonian 09-15-2008 08:16 AM

Macedonia desperately wants to join the EU. You can bet your last dinar that if the current clowns in the RoM government do not achieve this, then their successors will. After all this was an election promise from Gruevshki.

Jankovska 09-15-2008 03:19 PM

[QUOTE=GREEKoccupiedMacedonian;2249]Macedonia desperately wants to join the EU. You can bet your last dinar that if the current clowns in the RoM government do not achieve this, then their successors will. After all this was an election promise from Gruevshki.[/QUOTE]

Firstly it's denar and not dinar and trust me we will never join the EU or want to do so if we have to give up who we are. So you can dream and hope but it ain't gonna happen

Venom 09-15-2008 06:20 PM

So we have greece with its 100% ethnically pure nation in Europe stance. We have Bulgaria where you are free to shit on the footpath. And we have Romania which I am indifferent too but know their political and economic state are certainly not roses and rainbows.

But somehow, every single time Macedonia is not good enough.

The EU's statements are so fucken stupid sometimes (most of the time actually) and are worth ignoring except when you think about traveller, gorillas and this other clown up here sitting in a smoky room, pointing to the newspaper article and nodding knowingly.

"See the Skopians vre? They can't do nothing vre as long as the EU is feeding us drahma vre."

Pelister 09-15-2008 10:59 PM

This is an insidious attack on Macedonia's institutions, which are well above European standards.

What about the French government's "institutional capacities" ! What are the French government doing about immigrant poverty and violence in their community ?

And so on.

Look at what the Macedonians actually provides its monorities. Let it be judged on that alone !

These comments are just another shameful attempt by the European Union to deflect what is disgraceful and destabilising Albanian behavior onto the Macedonian government.

The Albanians know that the E.U will ALWAYS attack the Macedonian government.

Coolski 09-18-2008 01:02 AM

New EU Criteria: Macedonians must learn to defy Gravity
 
Rogi posted this joking title on maknews, and i filled in the story.. thought i'd share it here for a laugh/cry.

[b]New EU Criteria: Macedonians must learn to defy Gravity[/b]

SKOPJE. In what is now the third super-natural requirement on Macedonia's European Union entry, EU representative Erwan Fouere announced his latest challenge just last week. Macedonia must now defy gravity if it expects to enter the club along with Croatia and Albania.

It is clear to experts that despite reforms in the judicial system, biometric passports, economic development and the rule of law, Macedonia will not be deemed prepared unless it can complete this latest task within 2 weeks. This interesting idea was dreamt up in Athens, which is where Greeks gave democracy, Turkish coffee and kebabs to the world 500 years before they appeared in Athens. It seems that Balkan countries posses supernatural abilities indeed. Only Macedonia is yet to prove them.

When asked where the inspiration came from, foreign minister Bakoyannis replied with a brilliant piece of Athenian philosophy quoted from the 4000 year old greek philosopher Karaman (lis)
"If one who doesn't cease to exist in Europe refuses to cease to exist in Europe, one will cease to exist in Europe".

President Crvenkovski agreed with Fouere's judgement, and has established a team of pardoned experts to arrest people who can not defy gravity, along the lines of the EU's new police-state laws. Those who have termed Fouere's requirements unrealistic have been marginalised as extremists. Experts hope that they do not gain more ground in the next elections, which could see Macedonia slip away to a non-European future as an island in the Pacific. Interesting times await the Macedonians.

[url=http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=935903orbs1bz0.jpg][img]http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9199/935903orbs1bz0.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Traveller 09-18-2008 08:20 AM

They dont want you in EU plain and simple. And with Obama in the office you are in deeeeeeeeeeep shit.

Coolski 09-18-2008 08:54 AM

You never know, Macedonians might just tap into these supernatural abilities.

Rogi 09-18-2008 09:46 AM

Somehow, I don't think Obama will work for the Greeks as much as you think.

In any case, there will most likely be general elections in the UK next year and based on current polls, David Cameron might just take the top spot in the UK.

Just to jog your memory, he's the guy who wrote the article saying "why don't we call Greece the Former Ottomon Province of Greece or FOPOG".

So even with Obama in office, which is still uncertain given the closeness of the polls, there will still be a balance with the UK.

Jankovska 09-18-2008 09:55 AM

Cameron will win and than the whole EU treatment will change towards Macedonia.

The UK and the US always work closely, trust me I don't think Obama will be going out of his way to help Greece.

But we have to wait and see who is going to win. However I want to know what you think will happen if Obama does not win but Cameron does in the UK?

Metodija 09-18-2008 03:37 PM

Obama will never win! America is not ready for a black president and especially a black president with the second name Hussein.

toothpaste 09-18-2008 04:21 PM

[QUOTE=Jankovska;2579]Cameron will win and than the whole EU treatment will change towards Macedonia.

The UK and the US always work closely, trust me I don't think Obama will be going out of his way to help Greece.
[/QUOTE]

Hm..is this called wishful thinking or am i wrong? :)

EU is not tied up to UK -UK acts more or less independently in foreign affairs.
As for "working closely" ..it s more like UK is US little puppy.(who would have thought of that before 200 years!Life and history is a wheel)

However Greece is not in such bad condition to base all her hope on Messiahs.

Risto the Great 09-18-2008 05:38 PM

[QUOTE=toothpaste;2598]However Greece is not in such bad condition to base all her hope on Messiahs.[/QUOTE]
Ummm, the EU is Greece's Messiah.

Pelister 09-18-2008 08:49 PM

[QUOTE=Metodija;2595]Obama will never win! America is not ready for a black president and especially a black president with the second name Hussein.[/QUOTE]

Isn't that the strangest paradox in history.

Rogi 09-19-2008 02:48 AM

Given the alleged racism in the United States against the islamic world, I would have thought the Republican party would have used "Barack Hussein Obama" with emphasis on the Hussein, at every opportunity, rather than just "Obama" or "Barack Obama".

Interestingly enough, they haven't.

Jankovska 09-19-2008 04:08 AM

You seem to not get it- Europe is US's little puppy and everyone in the EU. The US and UK work closely because the UK is the link to Europe for America. And if Cameron comes in power no matter what presedent America has I will bet you that it will be very very good for Macedonia.
All Macedonians here must vote for Cameron.

toothpaste 09-19-2008 06:33 AM

[QUOTE=Jankovska;2653]You seem to not get it- Europe is US's little puppy and everyone in the EU. The US and UK work closely because the UK is the link to Europe for America.
.[/QUOTE]

The last NATO Conference doesnt confirm that.

Coolski 09-19-2008 07:54 PM

Sometimes puppies are bad.

Pelister 09-22-2008 02:13 AM

[QUOTE=toothpaste;2662]The last NATO Conference doesnt confirm that.[/QUOTE]

The last NATO conference confirmed something else.

The Macedonians better start looking elswhere for friends, because they are no where to be found anywhwere inside Europe.

Dimko-piperkata 11-13-2008 05:44 AM

No Macedonians in Macedonia, says Brussels
 
[quote]Skopje/Brussels /08:57/ 08:56

Macedonian nation in Macedonia has been renamed FYROMacedonians in an European Parliament's study on ethnic minority rights in the Western Balkans, local daily said.

Utrinski Vesnik daily claims this was the most cartoon-style expression ever used thus far in the European Union's efforts to please Greece.

"More shameful is the paragraph speaking about minorities in Serbia, in which the European Parliament uses the name Macedonians. This means that all Macedonians living outside Macedonia's borders can choose how to call themselves, while the Macedonians in Macedonia are still subjected to experiments of this type," Utrinski Vesnik's Brussels correspondent said in the front-page story with a headline "Brussels Renames Us FYROMacedonians".

"The most absurd of all is that the name FYROMacedonians, mentioned in the EP's report cannot be translated into Macedonian language (it will be something like BJRMakedonci) and that the EU has international obligations to accept the names established by the United Nations," the daily said.

The same source said the EP's study also features controversial contents on the state and rights of small ethnic communities in Macedonia.

The study notes that minorities, especially the smaller ones, are not sufficiently represented in political institutions, as they hold just 36 seats in 12-seat parliament. IN percentage terms, the smaller communities should hold one third of seats in parliament, the study says.

The study is mostly critical of the status and rights of Roma population.

The study was undertaken by experts at the request of European Parliament's Sub-Committee for Human Rights. The study is to serve as a ground for a debate on the Western Balkans slated to next month.[/quote]
[url]http://www.makfax.com.mk/look/novina/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=2&NrArticle=131761&NrIssue=819&NrSection=10[/url]

Venom 11-13-2008 06:30 AM

So why the FUCK are we still bargaining with these pathetic low-life pieces of shit?

osiris 11-13-2008 07:26 AM

how western europeans can talk about human rights is beyond me, these natiosn whose wealth is based on arguably the greatest crimes against humanity the slave trade the american indigineous holocaust the belgians 13 miilion dead in 30 years in the congo, the rape of india and australia,the sale of drugs to china and the slaugter of soldiers and innocents in the first and second world wars. these wankers are a joke. its so easy to be sensitive and liberal when you are rich and comfortable, but when your wealth is blood and drug money you have no moral authority.

MapleLeaf1 11-13-2008 03:48 PM

[QUOTE]More shameful is the paragraph speaking about minorities in Serbia, in which the European Parliament uses the name Macedonians[/QUOTE]
Now that has to be the stupidest thing I have ever read.... not counting anything that a "greek" has written:mad:

Risto the Great 11-13-2008 03:54 PM

When will the penny drop?
Perhaps the EU are sending these stupid messages out so that Macedonians can highlight the inconsistencies and publicly shame such actions. We all know it is absurd and being done to placate an existing member. If the Macedonians do nothing about it (given the obvious stupidity) then it is our fault.

Venom 11-13-2008 05:18 PM

I know Risto it is very frustrating hearing these sort of absurdities time and time again and us not even saying anything about it.

Does the Macedonian government believe Euro will invade/attack us directly or indirectly if we say something?

Do they actually believe things may get better under European Law? I mean, look what they are doing to us and we are not even a part of them. Anywhere else that';d be called bullying. So imagine if we were under their control and influence.

Risto the Great 11-13-2008 05:26 PM

[QUOTE=Venom;5055] look what they are doing to us and we are not even a part of them. Anywhere else that';d be called bullying. So imagine if we were under their control and influence.[/QUOTE]
I could not agree more!

Pelister 11-13-2008 08:50 PM

Macedonian leadership don't have the guts to call a spade a spade.

The E.U could be squatting with its legs spread - and the Macedonian leadership would be there holding its hand out waiting to catch the faeces - and then say "we don't like the smell of it, but thankyou anyway".

Stupid idiots.

Pelister 11-13-2008 08:51 PM

[QUOTE=Venom;5055]I know Risto it is very frustrating hearing these sort of absurdities time and time again and us not even saying anything about it.

Does the Macedonian government believe Euro will invade/attack us directly or indirectly if we say something?

Do they actually believe things may get better under European Law? I mean, look what they are doing to us and we are not even a part of them. Anywhere else that';d be called bullying. So imagine if we were under their control and influence.[/QUOTE]

We know all about the E.U and Greece.

This has been going on too long.

The problem lies with the Macedonians !

The Macedonian leadership must be fools to take such open, public and hostile abuse.

Orovnichanec 11-16-2008 02:12 PM

Macedonia, Schengen Area & Visa Liberalisation
 
Macedonia unlikely to secure visa liberalization in 2009


Skopje /14/11/ 08:38
Despite the announcements that Macedonian citizens will travel to EU countries without visa as of mid-2009, the country will have to wait for visa liberalization until 2010, local daily said on Friday.

Dnevnik daily claims the delay in the European Commission's preliminary report on implementation of requirements contained in the roadmaps for visa liberalization is the main reason for the delay of the entire process.

The lengthy procedure of transfer of a country from the black Schengen list, including the European Parliament elections slated for June 2009, will prolong the deadline for visa liberalization, the paper said.

Dnevnik correspondent in Brussels said visa liberalization for the Western Balkans is not a popular theme in France and Germany amid fears that other countries might follow in footsteps of the Balkans, seeking visa-free travel. /end/ /vs/

Risto the Great 11-16-2008 05:54 PM

I suspect it will take another 100 years before this happens if we wait for France and Germany to make a decision about it.

Pelister 12-04-2008 01:38 AM

"[I]The most absurd of all is that the name FYROMacedonians, mentioned in the EP's report cannot be translated into Macedonian language (it will be something like BJRMakedonci) and that the EU has international obligations to accept the names established by the United Nations[/I]," the daily said.

They all have an obligation to respect and accept self determination and Macedonian sovereignty, but the fuckers just won't.

Dimko-piperkata 12-04-2008 04:49 AM

once a NAZI always a NAZI !

the macedonians will never considered as equal in the EU, coz their soils based on greek LIES !

Dimko-piperkata 01-08-2009 01:31 PM

Macedonia joins European Patent Organization
 
[quote]Macedonia has become a member of the European Patent Organization (EPO), as EPO membership is one of the country's obligations before joining the European Union.

Agency for Intellectual Property "Berin" announced on Thursday that Macedonia has already ratified the European Patent Convention.

Macedonia's accession into EPO would allow domestic companies and individual inventors to extend protection of their inventions throughout the territory of 27 EU member-countries - plus Croatia, Iceland, Lichtenstein, Monaco, Norway, Switzerland and Turkey - through single patent application.

This means that Macedonian companies will no longer need foreign patent representatives to the European Patent Institute, as they can submit their applications directly to Intellectual Property Agency "Berin" or to other Macedonian patent representative to the European Patent Institute in Munich. [/quote]
[url]http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/4993/2/[/url]

Risto the Great 01-08-2009 03:58 PM

A positive step.

Pelister 01-08-2009 11:10 PM

I wonder if it has joined as F.Y.R.O.M ?

I mean given what that country is prepared to do to join an organization that negates it - I wouldn't be surprised.

Bratot 01-08-2009 11:32 PM

Yes, as....The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia has ratified the European Patent Convention and will become a member of the European Patent Organisation on 1 January 2009.

[IMG]http://www.epo.org/topics/news/2008/20081230/David_Jerelic_small.jpg[/IMG]

[url]http://www.epo.org/topics/news/2008/20081230.html[/url]

Pelister 01-08-2009 11:41 PM

Its nothing to celebrate then, for mine.

Thorvald 01-09-2009 06:59 AM

[QUOTE=Pelister;8827]Its nothing to celebrate then, for mine.[/QUOTE]


You are very right.

Although I welcome the participating of Macedonia within Europe, but it should be rightious use its officially name Republic of Macedonia.

Iam afraid the Greek lobby in Europe will block the name use for a very, very long time.

I think what would be a great step in benefiting Macedonia, is if in Western Europe, especially in Germany, Holland and the UK some kind of an organisation could be established were Macedonians and West-Europeans participating in promoting the Macedonian right on use its name; a some kind of Macedonian friendship alliance. :)

Not all Western Europeans is buying the Greek propaganda falsified crap ;)

osiris 01-09-2009 08:11 AM

[QUOTE]I think what would be a great step in benefiting Macedonia, is if in Western Europe, especially in Germany, Holland and the UK some kind of an organisation could be established were Macedonians and West-Europeans participating in promoting the Macedonian right on use its name; a some kind of Macedonian friendship alliance.
[/QUOTE]
you are right on the ball thorvald, its exactly what macedonia needs in western europe.


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