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Carlin 03-30-2022 04:32 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;186301]If they can lie about a USA election, they can certainly lie about these numbers in Macedonia. Do we have the numbers excluding the diaspora?[/QUOTE]

See above post.


"Вкупно резидентно население според изјаснувањето за етничка припадност

Македонци 58, 44%

Албанци 24,30%"

Liberator of Makedonija 03-31-2022 01:42 AM

Does anyone believe there are actually more than two million people living in that statelet?

Carlin 03-31-2022 10:10 AM

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;186303]Does anyone believe there are actually more than two million people living in that statelet?[/QUOTE]

Definitely not. 1.6m - 1.8m, at most.

Is it only me or the Macedonian Muslims are missing from the census data? They have probably been
'counted/included' wholesale as "Albanians". By some accounts, the "Torbeshi" are between 40,000 - 100,000.

Carlin 03-31-2022 10:18 AM

Fallout from the census results continues...

With Gostivar and Tetovo as examples, Dimovski shows how inaccurate the census results are
[url]https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/with-gostivar-and-tetovo-as-examples-dimovski-shows-how-inaccurate-the-census-results-are/[/url]

Bosniaks also find the census unacceptable, they even threatened to leave the ruling coalition
[url]https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/bosniaks-also-find-the-census-unacceptable-they-even-threatened-to-leave-the-ruling-coalition/[/url]

Liberator of Makedonija 03-31-2022 07:42 PM

[QUOTE=Carlin;186305]Definitely not. 1.6m - 1.8m, at most.

Is it only me or the Macedonian Muslims are missing from the census data? They have probably been
'counted/included' wholesale as "Albanians". By some accounts, the "Torbeshi" are between 40,000 - 100,000.[/QUOTE]

This happened in 2002 too I believe, Albanian political parties/groups pressured non-Albanian Muslims into declaring themselves "Albanian" on the census.

Liberator of Makedonija 03-31-2022 07:43 PM

[QUOTE=Carlin;186306]Fallout from the census results continues...

With Gostivar and Tetovo as examples, Dimovski shows how inaccurate the census results are
[url]https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/with-gostivar-and-tetovo-as-examples-dimovski-shows-how-inaccurate-the-census-results-are/[/url]

Bosniaks also find the census unacceptable, they even threatened to leave the ruling coalition
[url]https://english.republika.mk/news/macedonia/bosniaks-also-find-the-census-unacceptable-they-even-threatened-to-leave-the-ruling-coalition/[/url][/QUOTE]

I believe the Turks are also unhappy.

Karposh 03-31-2022 09:15 PM

[QUOTE=Carlin;186305]Definitely not. 1.6m - 1.8m, at most.

Is it only me or the Macedonian Muslims are missing from the census data? They have probably been
'counted/included' wholesale as "Albanians". By some accounts, the "Torbeshi" are between 40,000 - 100,000.[/QUOTE]

Agree. Is this a conscious decision to count themselves as Albanians or have they been coerced into doing so (assuming that is what is going on here). I know their allegiances can be at times fickle due to the stronger hold their Islamic faith has over their ethnic affiliation or consciousness but this is downright treacherous if true.

Carlin 04-02-2022 11:45 AM

[B]Macedonian census numbers rejected as Fraudulent and Laughable[/B]

By Gorazd Velkovski

[url]https://www.minareport.com/macedonian-census-numbers-rejected-as-fraudulent-and-laughable/[/url]

The fiasco called “Macedonian census” ended up indeed being a major waste of state funds. The nonsensical result contradict all state institutions, including the State Statistical Office and the Ministry of Interior.

The census operation started off with the Macedonian diaspora inserting their information into a ‘census application’ built and hosted in Sofia, Bulgaria. The application was marred with huge security flaws, including the fact that anyone could submit their name well over a 100 times, while putting 0s for their unique ID number. No documents of any kind were required in the process. The citizenry was told only people outside Macedonia could access the application, however quickly became evident that thousands of people within Macedonia accessed the application with free VPNs, many filmed themselves doing it.

Once the fraud became evident and was mocked country-wide, the census application was then taken offline. The SSO Director Apostol Simovski admitted “things were not going well“, however was convinced to keep the census operation going thanks to 8,000 euro ‘bonuses’ given to him by the Zaev Government.

Fraudulent Census Numbers

The census result greatly contradicts the SSO and MoI. According to both, there are 2.5m Macedonian citizenships issued. According to the SSO there are 1.85m voters in the country. However, the census result showed there are 1.83m total residents in the country, and no children. There are less people than voters?!? The absurdity doesn’t end there. The Ministry of Interior puts the number of ethnic Albanian IDs issued at 15.2% of the population. The census puts them at 24.7% while it lowered the Macedonians to 59%. The Macedonian diaspora is erased. In Australia, there are over 140,000 Macedonians, however, in the census the number stood at 3,800?

How about this? Kichevo census population: 39,669!! Kichevo registered voters: 50,702!!! If there are 50.7k registered voters, there would be at least 62,000+ population in the census, counting the children. The level of fraud is exponentiated by the fact the US & UK Embassies were the first to “congratulate”.

The SSO Director admitted that if over 100,000 people refuse to register or boycott the census, then the census has failed. Officially, over 132,000 Macedonians boycotted the census. Unofficially, this number is well over 300,000, de facto resulting in an officially failed operation. The author of this text is one of those Macedonians who boycotted the fraudulent census. Not a single member of my extended family was registered! In fact, entire city suburbs refused to be counted. Though it must be noted that no census worker actually appeared on my street.

Our favorite part of the census is the populace being split into “Christians” “Catholics”, “Orthodox”… You can’t be a Christian Orthodox, you can be either or.

The best, the SSO Director Apostol Simovski could do today is claim that the census was “incomplete”. No, Simovski, it is fraudulent, and you should be jailed!

Lastly, most readers do not realize that Apostol Simovski, representing the SDSM, was heavily involved in the first fabricated census back in 2002.

Karposh 04-03-2022 07:37 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;186301]If they can lie about a USA election, they can certainly lie about these numbers in Macedonia. Do we have the numbers excluding the diaspora?[/QUOTE]

Looks like you were right to call BS on this Risto. Judging by Carlin's last post, these numbers just don't add up and the lesson is clear - never trust the deep state and the official state-sanctioned narrative they will have you believe. It's clear that there's much more going on behind the scenes in Macedonia (just like everywhere else in the world) and people are well in their rights to question the bullshit the deep state is trying to sell. How can you not be conspiratorial and paranoid when shit like this goes on so blatantly and brazenly. I'm glad there are people in Macedonia that are much more aware than myself and call them out for the bullshit they are trying to sell. These numbers could destroy Macedonia if they are allowed to be blindly accepted as legitimate. Now I just want to know who is benefiting from this and who is pulling the strings and working so hard to destroy Macedonia?

Risto the Great 04-03-2022 06:00 PM

The numbers are perfect for the process of denationalisation. Reducing the claim of the indigenous population within its own state. They are already making every nation a global mongrelised landscape. One of the worst enemies of the new world order are the homogenous nations.

Macedonia is easily manipulated. They would sell their arses for a free ice-cream. But, then again, the covid scam has confirmed that people are easily manipulated and it's painfully all part of human nature. Most people would do the same.


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