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Risto the Great 04-23-2009 08:01 PM

Visa liberalisation

[QUOTE]Skopje. The first member states will make a decision to lift visas for the most advanced countries by the end of the year, said European Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn, cited by Macedonian A1 television channel.
[B]Rehn says it is not a secret that Macedonia is among the most advanced countries that meet the criteria.[/B] The television notes that Brussels has mentioned that the Commission will recommend in the middle of May that Serbia and Montenegro alongside Macedonia receive visa regime liberalization.
It is true that Macedonia has been implementing the reforms at a very high level and all reforms completed are appreciated by the EC, said head EC mission in Macedonia Erwan Fouere.
Diplomatic sources say that when the decision about the visa regime liberalization is made, ratification will begin after European Parliament elections. It is expected that the EU new comers and Switzerland will make a decision within a short period. The old member states will not be quick to make a decision because of the fear of new settlers amid the economic crisis. Bulgaria and Romania, which are not members of the Schengen area, can, but are not obliged to accept the ECs recommendation.
Greece and Cyprus will not most probably lift visas for Macedonian citizens, A1 comments. [/QUOTE]

This will be a very good thing for Macedonia.
I am not confident that Greece will lift visas for Macedonians. But I also believe this will be a major political victory for Macedonia and will help to highlight the stupidity of the Greek arguments.

I think it will present everything we wanted from joining the EU. And suggest we draw the line at visa liberalisation.

Risto the Great 04-23-2009 08:05 PM


Milososki's comment in Brussels:
If educators Kiril and Metodij needed no visas to travel across Central Europe in the medieval period and educate people, I believe that today the citizens of Macedonia deserve to be able to do the same, Milososki said, adding that after the elections the Government would double its efforts to fulfil the (EC) benchmarks.[/QUOTE]

Disappointingly, the next comment from him:
[QUOTE]Referring to the name row, Milososki said Macedonia was urging for a compromise, fair solution, acceptable for the two parties, as well as for full respect of the 1995 Interim Accord, which bans any hindering of Macedonia's integration processes under the interim reference. [/QUOTE]

King Makedon 04-23-2009 08:15 PM

There's only one little problem about the visa liberation.

They are already talking that for years and nothing happened. Poor people of Macedonia. They have no choice for doing voyages and must go to embassies sometimes in foreign countries because not all countries have opened in Skopje an Embassy.
That's why a lot go for bulgarian passports for business proposals, voyaging, and buying cheap stolen cars from bulgaria.
If the visa liberation comes true I am personally convinced that every macedonian who owns such a BG-Passport will burn it and dance some nice oro around the fire.

Pelister 04-23-2009 11:06 PM

Isn't it ironic.

One of the most advanced countries - but no go.

The Macedonian ethnic group, long recognized as seperate and distinct - but sorry, your out of luck.

Britain knows all about the Macedonian national minority in Greece - but once again, exterminating them "is a necessary evil". (source - G.Finney "An Evil for all concerned: Minority Protection after 1919")

We know who you are, but condemned, because your native language, just happens to be in Slavic.

Struja 05-10-2009 09:14 PM

"Here in Greece, human rights don't exist."

Five immigrants have been injured after far-right demonstrators tried to storm a disused courthouse in Athens occupied mainly by illegal migrants from Africa.

Dozens of protesters hurled stones and fireworks at the eight-storey building on Saturday night, while those living inside threw bricks and masonry slabs.

Police said nine officers were also injured in the violence.

Three youths were arrested over the attack, which came after a march by the anti-immigrant Golden Dawn group.

The protesters waved banners reading "Foreigners mean crime" and "We have become foreigners in our own country".

Some of the immigrants said the police did little to help


Left-wing groups staged a counter-rally nearby and riot police were deployed to keep the two sides apart.

Petrol bombs and stones were thrown between the two groups, and the violence continued when anti-immigrant protesters descended on the old courthouse.

The Associated Press news agency reports that hundreds of immigrants live in squalid conditions in the building, amid piles of fetid rubbish and human waste without electricity or running water.

Fouad, a 33-year-old Moroccan immigrant living in the building, told AP that he could not understand why the protesters had attacked.

"We didn't do anything. Why do they treat us like this?" he said.

[COLOR="Red"]"The police did nothing. Here in Greece, human rights don't exist." [/COLOR]

Risto the Great 05-10-2009 09:22 PM

Odd slogan coming from a nation of immigrants. (Certainly in the north of Greece)

Dimko-piperkata 06-17-2009 10:23 AM

Schengen White List Conditions

neither hide nor hair of fyrom :37:

Rogi 06-17-2009 10:45 AM

Pages 3 and 4 do... in the quotes.

But I see what you mean. Wait till the Greeks get a hold of this and force them to change the document...

Dimko-piperkata 06-17-2009 11:17 AM

ohh u are right...but the topics are important ;)

Risto the Great 07-15-2009 12:01 AM

Are they mental?

[QUOTE]Macedonia has kicked off the preparations for joining the European Union battle group in 2012, thus contributing to Europe's security and defence along with other countries under Germany's leadership, the Chief of Macedonian Army Staff, Lieutenant-General Miroslav Stojanovski, said Monday at a joint press conference in Skopje with the Bundeswehr Chief of Staff, General Wolfgang Schneiderhan.

- It is too early to say how the EU mission and its tasks will be defined, but it is certain that participants in battle groups must do their job in line with the set procedures and standards, Stojanovski said.

Stojanovski - Schneiderhan meeting addressed the priorities of the armed forces of both countries, participation in peace missions abroad and further development of bilateral relations.

- Macedonia, as a small country, has sent a lot of its soldiers in peace missions. About 220 troops are to join the Afghan mission, which is a substantial figure considering the number of the country's population. Germany has no requests for additional troops but if Macedonia wishes to do so we shall welcome the move, Schneiderhan told reporters.

Stojanovski extended gratitude for Germany's support of ARM, including the education and training of ARM staff in its prestigious military academies.

Today, General Schneiderhan also held talks with Defense Minister Zoran Konjanovski.

Tomorrow, the Bundeswehr delegation will visit the Special Operations Regiment and the Military Police Battalion and watch a demonstration exercise of the two units. [/QUOTE]

We can't join the club but we can fight for them.
I am astounded!

Soldier of Macedon 07-15-2009 01:07 AM

Likewise. Clearly, others are pulling the strings here, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the Macedonian leadership has bent over backwards to please these racists in the EU.

Pelister 07-15-2009 01:08 AM

They are insane.

Our identity is up for grabs. The Macedonians were the only ones who could end up negating their own people, and I think the Greeks have almost pulled of the most magical and inventive trick ever.

[B]There should be a book written about How to get the leaders of a Macedonia nation State, to reject their nationality ![/B]

Its outrageous. I am appalled and disgusted by it all.

Daskalot 07-15-2009 03:36 AM

Visa Liberalization: A Threat to Macedonia?

Visa Liberalization: A Threat to Macedonia?

Sam Vaknin Ph.D.

July 13, 2009

An Executive Summary of a Research Report Dated 07/06/2009

The client authorized the publication of the Executive Summary only.

Macedonian citizens will enjoy visa-free travel to most destinations in Europe starting in early 2010. The liberalization of the visa regime is welcomed in the tiny, landlocked and claustrophobic country: it will provide its long-suffering denizens with access to higher education and jobs in a common market with 300 million people and a GDP to equal the United States.

But, the change in the visa regime also presents multiple threats to the fragile polity. To start with, it could encourage an exodus of ethnic Macedonians from the country and alter to their disfavor the demographic balance with their Albanian nemeses.

This is a realistic scenario: Macedonia's membership in NATO was vetoed by an irate Greece last year when the two parties failed to reach a compromise regarding the "name Issue" (Greece's insistence that Macedonia change its name). Similarly, Macedonia was not given a date to commence its accession talks with the European Union. Economic and Euro-Atlantic integration prospects look dim and youngsters are elders alike are frantically looking for a way out. Rumblings of a renewed ethnic conflict have recently escalated.

Based on experience from other countries in Central and Eastern Europe - such as Poland and Bulgaria - and on experience from other regions (for instance: Israel and Vietnam), we conclude:

Macedonia is likely to lose 3-5% of its population over the next 5 years (assuming that Europe undergoes a mild economic recovery starting in 2012). Most of these are expected to take advantage of the visa liberalization regime and leave Macedonia for good (emigrate). Another 3-5% are likely to try to find temporary jobs as Gastarbeiter. Consequently, Macedonia will plunge into negative population growth.

At least 40% of these emigrants are likely to be students, white-collar workers, academics, and skilled laborers. This massive brain drain will create labor shortages in crucial sectors (healthcare, education, academe, research and development, banking and finance, hi-tech industries and manufacturing). As Macedonia's economy recovers and improves, the brain drain will increase, not decrease!

Barry Chiswick and Timothy Hatton demonstrated ("International Migration and the Integration of Labour Markets", published by the NBER in its "Globalisation in Historical Perspective") that, as the economies of poor countries improve, emigration increases because people become sufficiently wealthy to finance the trip.

Remittances are likely to recover as emigrants and Gastarbeiter send money back home and, thus, replenish the country's foreign exchange reserves by an extra 200-300 million euros a year. By 2013, remittances will exceed the record level of 2007 and foster a new wave of consumption, construction, and GDP growth. Levels of unemployment inside Macedonia will drop and unemployment of the well-educated and skilled will be all but eliminated.

Quotes from the report:

"Macedonia invests an average of $50,000 of its painfully scarce resources in every university graduate, only to witness tens of thousands of them emigrate to richer places. Macedonia ends up subsidizing the rich countries by exporting to them its human capital, the prospective members of its dwindling elites, and the taxes they would have paid had they stayed put. The formation of its middle class is often irreversibly hindered by an all-pervasive brain drain. The kleptocracies that run Macedonia may actually welcome the brain drain as it also drains the country of potential political adversaries." (p. 6)

"Emigration also tends to decrease competitiveness. It increase salaries at home by reducing supply in the labour market (and reduces salaries at the receiving end, especially for unskilled workers) ... The countries of origin, whose intellectual elites are depleted by the brain drain, are often forced to resort to hiring (expensive) foreigners." (p. 18)

How can Macedonia take advantage of the communities of expats (expatriates) that are likely to form after the visa regime has been liberalized?

"Countries - from Mexico to Israel, and from China to Guatemala - are trying to tap into the considerable wealth of their diasporas by issuing remittance-bonds, by offering tax holidays, one-stop-shop facilities, business incubators, and direct access to decision makers - as well as matching investment funds.

Migrant associations are sprouting all over the Western world, often at the behest of municipal authorities back home. The UNDP, the International Organization of Migration (IOM), as well as many governments (e.g., Israel, China, Venezuela, Uruguay, Ethiopia), encourage expatriates to share their skills with their counterparts in their country of origin. The thriving hi-tech industries in Israel, India, Ireland, Taiwan, and South Korea were founded by returning migrants who brought with them not only capital to invest and contacts - but also entrepreneurial skills and cutting edge technologies.

Thailand established in 1997, within the National Science and Technology Development Agency, a 2.2 billion baht project called "Reverse the Brain Drain". Its aim is to 'use the 'brain' and 'connections' of Thai professionals living overseas to help in the Development of Thailand, particularly in science and technology.'

The OECD ("International Mobility of the Highly Skilled") believes that:

More and more highly skilled workers are moving abroad for jobs, encouraging innovation to circulate and helping to boost economic growth around the globe.'

But it admits that a "greater co-operation between sending and receiving countries is needed to ensure a fair distribution of benefits".

The OECD noted, in its "Annual Trends in International Migration, 2001" that (to quote its press release):

Migration involving qualified and highly qualified workers rose sharply between 1999 and 2000, helped by better employment prospects and the easing of entry conditions. Instead of granting initial temporary work permits only for one year, as in the past, some OECD countries, particularly in Europe, have been issuing them for up to five years and generally making them renewable. Countries such as Australia and Canada, where migration policies were mainly aimed at permanent settlers, are also now favoring temporary work permits valid for between three and six years ... In addition to a general increase in economic prosperity, one of the main factors behind the recent increase in worker migration has been the development of information technology, a sector where in 2000 there was a shortage of around 850,000 technicians in the US and nearly 2 million in Europe...'

But the OECD underplays the importance of brain drain:

Fears of a "brain drain" from developing to technologically advanced countries may be exaggerated, given that many professionals do eventually return to their country of origin. To avoid the loss of highly qualified workers, however, developing countries need to build their own innovation and research facilities ... China, for example, has recently launched a program aimed at developing 100 selected universities into world-class research centers. Another way to ensure return ... could be to encourage students to study abroad while making study grants conditional on the student's return home.' " (p.23-6)

Sam makes some very valid ponits in regards to the eventual depopulation of some areas in Macedonia.

Risto the Great 07-15-2009 03:53 AM

The benefits outweigh the costs in my opinion.

Volk 07-15-2009 04:40 AM

what about the benefits those people will bring back?

Jankovska 07-15-2009 04:46 AM

I think the guy is an idiot. Why does everyone think that Macedonians can't wait to escape their country and go work somewhere? It's a tourist visa liberation, which means you can visit up to three months with no right to work. Do you really think it's that easy to find rabota na crno? It's recession, people with the right to work don't have jobs. This is another of those watch out the Macedonians are coming.
This is a very good thing in many ways for Macedonia and the Macedonians. For one our people will holiday somewhere but Greece. Visa liberation means my family can come and visit me whenever the hell they want, means my brother can go to Spain on holiday and I can meet him there instead of go to Bulgaria for the same price.
Another good thing is that finally Macedonians from the Repbulic will be able to advertise themselves, not the Diaspora not some clips that cost a fortune.
Free world is better than locked up world and everyone who lives in the Diaspora but is against the visa liberation in my eyes is selfish.Macedonia deserves open borders

Soldier of Macedon 07-15-2009 04:54 AM

[QUOTE]To start with, it could encourage an exodus of ethnic Macedonians from the country and alter to their disfavor the demographic balance with their Albanian nemeses.[/QUOTE]
Or it could have the same effect for the Albanians, where it would encourage their exodus, and possibly present itself as an opportunity for the Macedonian governement to block the re-entry of the illegal thousands of Albanians from Kosovo. The article bases itself on assumptions, which may or may not transpire.

Truth is, we shouldn't even be in this position and were it not for the Greeks we wouldn't be. While all of our neighbours are equally deserving of the 'wolf' appellation, on many a level, the Greeks are by far the worst. Macedonia exited from Yugoslavia peacefully, we complied with everything that was asked of us concerning our laws, minorities, etc, yet, as RtG stated, we are considered akin to Montenegro and Serbia in terms of development, while Greece's racism and human rights violations are ignored.

For centuries on end, Western Europe has proved itself incompetent of leading the continent. Their plastic 'sympathy', shady 'diplomacy' and veiled racism will come to end.

makedonin 07-15-2009 05:19 AM

It is more likely that this 3-5% this glupak talks about would be Albanians. They all have someone in EU, and are connected to drugs and shverc, thus don't need working permit to pay their expense out side of Macedonia.

And as for the Students. They still need to apply for Student Visa which require them to have money or scholarship to get it. Onwards they can work only for 90 day's in year, which is not much for EU standards. Anyone who was able to do that, has already done it, thus no major flow out there.

Risto the Great 07-15-2009 05:25 AM

Indeed, the Kosovo Albanian exodus would be significant.
The acknowledgement of the Macedonian people throughout Europe would be beneficial.
There would no longer be a need for Macedonians to make career decisions that are life-long. Seriously, this will not be bad at all for Macedonia and Macedonians.

Risto the Great 07-15-2009 08:28 PM

EU gives Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia visa-free travel from January 2010

[QUOTE]The European Commission approved on July 15 2009 a decision to allow citizens of Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia entry to Schengen countries visa-free from January 1 2010.

Citizens of the three countries who have biometric passports will be able to use the new system.

The European Commission's proposal needs to be approved by the European Council, the body of heads of state and government of EU states, after having consulted the European Parliament.

The Commission said in a statement that it "remains committed" to visa liberalisation for the citizens of Albania and Bosnia and Herzegovina too.

"However these countries have not yet fulfilled the conditions to be included in today's proposal," the European Commission said.

"If the pace of reforms is maintained and if all the conditions are fulfilled, the Commission could envisage making a new proposal including these countries by mid-2010."

Presenting the Commission's proposal, Vice President of the Commission in charge of Justice, Freedom and Security Jacques Barrot said: "Our proposal brings truly good news to the people of the Western Balkans, in particular to the citizens of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, of Montenegro and Serbia.

"I know how much visa free travel means to them. Today's proposal is the result of intensive and hard work for the authorities and the people of these countries in meeting the conditions. I congratulate them for this achievement," Barrot said.

European Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn said: "It is our goal, and our firm conviction, that Albania and Bosnia and Herzegovina will follow suit soon.

"The roadmap is still valid, and it is still perfectly doable if the authorities of the countries put their full will into delivering now. If this progress continues apace, I believe both countries will soon catch up with their neighbours. If all the conditions are fulfilled, the Commission could envisage making a new proposal, which would include them, by mid-2010," Rehn said.

Granting visa free travel is a cornerstone of the EU's integration policy for the Western Balkans, the European Commission said.

"Facilitating people to people contacts enhances business opportunities and gives the possibility for the people of the region to get to know the EU better.

"However, visa free travel is only possible if the necessary security requirements are met," the Commission said.

It said that this was why the Commission had launched a dialogue on visa liberalisation with the Western Balkans countries.

"On the basis of roadmaps presented by the Commission, the countries have made important progress in improving passport security, in strengthening border controls, in reinforcing the institutional framework to fight organised crime and corruption, as well as in external relations and fundamental rights."

The Commission said that it had been thoroughly monitoring their preparations.

"The conditions are the same for every country," it said.

Macedonia had met the necessary conditions.

For Serbia and Montenegro, the entry into force of the visa waiver would depend on fulfilment of all remaining open benchmarks of their respective roadmaps by the date of adoption of this proposal by the Council.

Albania and Bosnia and Herzegovina still need to continue their efforts to get a positive recommendation from the Commission.

"In Albania and in Bosnia and Herzegovina, shortcomings still exist in the institutional framework to fight against organised crime and corruption, in addressing weaknesses in the procedure for delivering passports, and in the areas of border and migration management."

Residents of Kosovo will not yet benefit from visa liberalisation either.

"The technical requirements for visa liberalisation have not yet been met on the territory of Kosovo. The Commission in this regard will continue to work closely with both the Serbian and Kosovo authorities and explore options for addressing the visa issue in the future," the European Commission said.

Radio Srbija said that Schengen visa exemption would mean that citizens of the three countries being admitted to the "white list" in 2010 would be able to travel visa-free to the countries of the Schengen area, which excludes the United Kingdom and Ireland, and would also be able to travel visa-free to non-EU member states Switzerland, Iceland and Norway, as well as EU states that are not members of the Schengen area: Bulgaria, Romania and Cyprus.[/QUOTE]

Macedonia needs nothing more.
Excellent news. :macedonia

Risto the Great 07-15-2009 08:30 PM

A list of [URL=""][COLOR="Red"]Schengen [/COLOR][/URL]countries.


But Greece, how will you stop Macedonians from visiting their relatives?

Risto the Great 07-15-2009 08:38 PM

Note how ZERO name change was enforced as a requirement.
This is how it will ALWAYS be because the EU knows what it is doing is illegal.

Soldier of Macedon 07-16-2009 12:19 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;19641]Note how ZERO name change was enforced as a requirement.
This is how it will ALWAYS be because the EU knows what it is doing is illegal.[/QUOTE]
I agree.

Realistically, there is only one country that has an issue, the world is gradually (but not fast enough) realising this.

Bratot 07-16-2009 01:56 AM

It's only a recommendation.

They have 6 months to impose another blackmailing in order to get this visa liberalisation.

Risto the Great 07-16-2009 02:24 AM

I am not sure they will make it difficult Bratot.
They seem to be desperate to include Serbia & Montenegro for some reason. We all know there are far less deserving than Macedonia. So it makes me think they have another agenda here. If they make it hard for Macedonia, then it will be absolutely impossible to allow Serbia and Montenegro to proceed with MUCH less justification.

Jankovska 07-16-2009 06:31 AM

I think this will happen, they had no remarks regarding Macedonia. It will not be made such a big deal if it wasn't going to happen. Macedonians will start travelling around Europe as of the 1st Jan next without visa. The only thing I am bothered about is the fact the UK is not part of this:(

Risto the Great 07-16-2009 06:36 AM

[QUOTE=Jankovska;19685]The only thing I am bothered about is the fact the UK is not part of this:([/QUOTE]
Oh c'mon Jankovska .... the UK is as European as China is. :scooter:

Jankovska 07-16-2009 11:52 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;19687]Oh c'mon Jankovska .... the UK is as European as China is. :scooter:[/QUOTE]

I know but still my life would be so much easier to have family visit me without visa's. I guess it will be courts until the UK changes something

Risto the Great 07-16-2009 06:52 PM

I suspect the UK will be happy to keep the Albanians out.

Pelister 07-16-2009 09:20 PM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;19652]I agree.

Realistically, there is only one country that has an issue, the world is gradually (but not fast enough) realising this.[/QUOTE]

I agree too.

We have to be patient and the benefits will come to us.

I think putting up our Macednoian Nationality for negotiation, is the wrong strategy. Why?

1. These are not the only large organizations. There are many others, where Greece isn't a member.
2. After looking more closely at the conditions in the Macedonian Republic, I think that the "benefits" of E.U membership are not justified at all. We can achieve strong growth and political legitimacy through other avenues.
3. We need to be more critical of Greece, because the E.U will not.
4. [B]There will no public criticism that holds any validity, if the Macedonians simply ask that their rights [I]be respected[/I]. A principled position needs to be adopted here. It is the ONLY legitimate way to defend ourselves, and exit this madness.[/B]

Having said that what is becoming clear is that we can gain some of the benefits of being part of the E.U. without actually becoming a member.

Risto the Great 07-16-2009 10:06 PM

[QUOTE=Pelister;19724]Having said that what is becoming clear is that we can gain some of the benefits of being part of the E.U. without actually becoming a member.[/QUOTE]
The only reason any Macedonian EU advocates ever existed was because of the ability for Macedonians to interact no matter what side of the (artificial) borders. This will be a reality now WITHOUT being a member. There is no further need for anything more.

Jankovska 07-17-2009 03:49 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;19712]I suspect the UK will be happy to keep the Albanians out.[/QUOTE]

Oh you won't believe how easy it is for an Albo to get a visa for the UK, takes 15 min. So many of them here now that I wonder how they haven't started demanding golema albania here. It's the poor Macedonian who gets treated badly and humiliated just because he wants to visit family. I have a court hearing regarding this in a couple of months. i am sick and fed up with the embassy taking the piss of the macedonian people who are honest people while letting everyy Albo who has applied in.

osiris 07-17-2009 04:09 AM

Britain needs more drug dealers pimps stand over men and bouncers jankovska. i too was amazed at how many albanians there are in london especially around entertainment venues

Risto the Great 07-17-2009 04:10 AM

I find this really hard to believe Jankovska. What would be the logic in allowing only Albanians?
Is there a Freedom of Information Act in Macedonia?
Perhaps some of these statistics are worth pursuing.

Jankovska 07-17-2009 04:18 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;19749]I find this really hard to believe Jankovska. What would be the logic in allowing only Albanians?
Is there a Freedom of Information Act in Macedonia?
Perhaps some of these statistics are worth pursuing.[/QUOTE]

No idea why, I wouldn't do it but that is the reality. If you step into the British Embassy 90% of the people are Albos, UCK passports are the easiest to obtain a visa, go figure. The area where I live was a great area, a bit pricey but pretty, now the high street is flooded with Albanians, espeacially from Kosovo. Even the English hate them.
The british ebmassy in Macedonia is a joke. Most of the officers are Albanians and when you walk in they greet you in Albo and if they see you are not one than in Macedonian.The embassy excuse for employing so many Albos and not Macedonians is that the Albos speak three languages and the Macedonians two. The british don't even look at the applications,the officer takes it, reviews it and decides your faith. If you are not happy you can appeal to an Immigration Tribunal in the UK but most Macedonians are not able to do that so that's 100 euros gone.
Albanians is totaly different. They walk in, have a little interview chat in Albo and than are asked to come back at so and so o'clock to collect their visa. My brother has been refused three times on grounds that are actually funny so I have decided to appeal and go via the courts here. I called so many times and wanted to speak to someone British there but was told on every occassion I can not be put through as they don't deal with idividual applications blah blah. It's a joke
do you remember a couple of years ago when they made our dancing folk group dance to prove they are dancers to receive their visas. It was the Albanian officers that did that, not the British or the Macedonians.

Risto the Great 07-17-2009 04:31 AM

Absolutely infuriating!

Soldier of Macedon 07-17-2009 05:08 AM

What a disgrace.

Napoleon 07-17-2009 06:55 PM

Doe anybody know how easy it is for an Albanian resident in Macedonia to gain either an Albanian or Kosovo passport? Also, does anybody have an idea whether or not they travel on Macedonian or Albanian passports as a general rule?

The reason I ask this is because I believe this issue is an essential key in solving Macedonia's Albanian minority question. Although it is inevitable that Macedonia will gain EU membership sooner or later, I feel the longer Macedonia holds out the better. This will be especially so when Albanian and Kosovo citizens are able to visit, work and live in the EU more easily without restrictions while Macedonian citizens can still not do so. This will give many Albanians in Macedonia a powerful incentive to obtain Albanian or Kosovo passports in order to seek greener pastures in the EU. After an fews years, I think Macedonia should enact laws banning citizens holding dual passports and restrict the gaining of citizenship to people who can prove ethnic Macedonian descent.

Western Europe has treated Macedonia so well during the last 100 years or so, why not repay their 'kindness' by giving them large Albanian minorities :clap: :clap: :clap:

Risto the Great 07-17-2009 07:40 PM

Albanians are the darlings of Western manipulation in the Balkans. They have taken over from where the Greeks left off 80 years ago.

osiris 07-18-2009 02:08 AM

anti slavic sentiment dies hard in western europe combined with the general ignorance about eastern europe its a recipe for disaster.

the result was kosovo a mafia state servicing the iilict desires of the west sex and drugs.

jankovska where do you live a few years ago i was in london and kept running into albanians everywhere from notting hill to soho to edgware rd, you name it they were there

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