Kosovo: News, Politics & Issues

[Venom]

To continue with that trend, I guess, compared to martians with death-rays and big, buldging, black eyeballs, Albanians are our very best friends.

[Prolet]

Kosovo Vlada rocked by scandals

http://www.sitel.com.mk/dnevnik/balkan/korupciski-skandali-ja-tresat-kosovskata-vlada

[Soldier of Macedon]

Prolet, I should create a standard template and utilise it each time I post on one of your threads. Give a summary and not just a single link, I have probably told you the same thing over a hundred times, yet you continue to behave like an individual with a goldfish memory. You provide all sorts of utterance on other threads but on the one's you create yourself you post a link and nothing else. Keep doing it and you will see those one-liner threads disappear, that's the last time I will remind you, not that it matters to a goldfish.

[Prolet]

SOM, The EU is telling Hashim Tachi that he must fire three of his ministers because they have been caught in corruption scandals aswell as other criminal activities. The video footage shows that Kosovo is in a worse situation then us being that the EU tells them what they should do and who they should sack. Sooner or later the Albanians will loose it in that region and they will go after the EU Police there, they will feel the raw pain of them being used as pawns and being fucked around especially when they try to join the EU and when EU Politicians come to them and tell then how to piss,drink,reform etc etc like what the EU is doing to us and now even some of them suggesting that we've gone backwards.

It wont be long till we start seeing massive protests in Kosovo and it wont be against the Serbs or us it will be against the EU and the other authorities because they thought by getting independence they will be entitled to do what they like however they only have limited independence which means they are a controlled country and they cant even have an army to begin with.

[Buktop]

SOM, The EU is telling Hashim Tachi that he must fire three of his ministers because they have been caught in corruption scandals aswell as other criminal activities. The video footage shows that Kosovo is in a worse situation then us being that the EU tells them what they should do and who they should sack. Sooner or later the Albanians will loose it in that region and they will go after the EU Police there, they will feel the raw pain of them being used as pawns and being fucked around especially when they try to join the EU and when EU Politicians come to them and tell then how to piss,drink,reform etc etc like what the EU is doing to us and now even some of them suggesting that we've gone backwards.

It wont be long till we start seeing massive protests in Kosovo and it wont be against the Serbs or us it will be against the EU and the other authorities because they thought by getting independence they will be entitled to do what they like however they only have limited independence which means they are a controlled country and they cant even have an army to begin with.

You can bet your ass that Spain will never let Kosovo into the UN let alone the EU...

[Prolet]

Its not just Spain its Romania and Slovakia aswell

Greece and Cyprus are there too.

Under the Artisaari plan, Kosovo which the Albanians support only has limited independence which means they are not a fully independent country. They are a country with strings attached.

[Phoenix]

Prolet, I should create a standard template and utilise it each time I post on one of your threads. Give a summary and not just a single link, I have probably told you the same thing over a hundred times, yet you continue to behave like an individual with a goldfish memory. You provide all sorts of utterance on other threads but on the one's you create yourself you post a link and nothing else. Keep doing it and you will see those one-liner threads disappear, that's the last time I will remind you, not that it matters to a goldfish.

Good call SoM...

[Risto the Great]

ICJ rules for Kosovo independence declaration

http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurarozen/0710/UN_court_rules_Kosovo_independence_declaration_legal_.html?showall

The United Nation’s International Court of Justice has deemed Kosovo’s 2008 declaration of independence from Serbia to be legal.

International law has no “prohibition on declarations of independence,” ICJ’s President Hasashi Owadi said announcing the opinion today.

The decision, while nonbinding, opens the way for Kosovo to seek broader international recognition of its statehood, which the U.S. and some 68 other countries have already recognized, while Serbia, Russia, China, Greece, Cyprus, Iran, Israel, and some 100 other countries have not.

"We were pleased that the court agreed with the longstanding view of the United States that Kosovo's declaration of independence is in accordance with international law," National Security Council spokesman Mike Hammer said.

Vice President Joe Biden met yesterday with Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci and spoke on the phone with Serbian President Boris Tadic this morning in anticipation of the decision.

"In both conversations he affirmed the United States' full support for a democratic and multi-ethnic Kosovo, and he reiterated the United States' unwavering commitment to Kosovo's sovereignty and territorial integrity," Hammer said.

"We hope that Serbia and Kosovo-both of whom are friends and partners of the United States-will now move beyond the issue of Kosovo's status and will work constructively to resolve practical issues to improve the lives of the people of Kosovo, Serbia, and of the region," he said.

Belgrade-based human rights activist Sonja Biserko also welcomed the ICJ's decision. It "is something really positive — for the first time," Biserko, of the Helsinki Committee for Human Rights, told POLITICO in an e-mail. "Finally, [a] breakthrough."

Serbia's envoy to the U.S. said the U.N. court's decision would not change Serbia's refusal to recognize what he called Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence.

"Serbia remains committed to using every available means to peacefully resolve this situation,” Ambassador Vladimir Petrovic said in a statement. "Allowing Pristina’s declaration to stand represents a dangerous precedent for nations around the world facing secessionist movements. No nation or region is immune now from secessionist threats.”

But the Financial Times' Gideon Rachman notes that while the ICJ declared Kosovo's declaration of independence to be legal, "it has not pronounced on the legality of secession as such."

"This feels to me like an evasion," Rachman writes. "Common sense and the norms of free speech suggest that, of course, they are allowed to proclaim their independence. The question is whether the rest of us should recognise an independent Kosovo as a legal entity."

An empty ruling from a toothless court. Does anyone believe Serbia went to court to find out whether someone is allowed to declare independence? Or is it more likely they went to court to question Kosovo's independence?

[makedonche]

RTG
Quote:
"An empty ruling from a toothless court. Does anyone believe Serbia went to court to find out whether someone is allowed to declare independence? Or is it more likely they went to court to question Kosovo's independence?"

RTG
The ramifications of this so called declaration of independence are frightening to say the least. That a number of people within a country can declare independence from that country and do it with the asistance and support of USA and others and gain international recognition is astounding! Now let's say that all the Albanians in America decided to move to Washington and became the dominant population there, then they decided they want to declare an independent state/country within USA - how do you think the Americans will react to that? I'd hazard a guess and say the Albanians wouldn't get past first base - but given that it's not happening in America they don't seem to give a shit and it's ok to do it in Serbia - unbfknlievable! Not that I particularly give a rats arse about the Serbs, for what they have done to the Macedonians let them pay tenfold!
My greatest concern is the ability of an external body to create an independent state within another country against the will of the original country in direct violation of international precedence. Sounding like a familiar tune - probably due to the fact they did a similar thing to Macedonia and who knows which country is next?

[Onur]

RTG

The ramifications of this so called declaration of independence are frightening to say the least. That a number of people within a country can declare independence from that country and do it with the asistance and support of USA and others and gain international recognition is astounding! Now let's say that all the Albanians in America decided to move to Washington and became the dominant population there, then they decided they want to declare an independent state/country within USA - how do you think the Americans will react to that? I'd hazard a guess and say the Albanians wouldn't get past first base - but given that it's not happening in America they don't seem to give a shit and it's ok to do it in Serbia - unbfknlievable! Not that I particularly give a rats arse about the Serbs, for what they have done to the Macedonians let them pay tenfold!
My greatest concern is the ability of an external body to create an independent state within another country against the will of the original country in direct violation of international precedence. Sounding like a familiar tune - probably due to the fact they did a similar thing to Macedonia and who knows which country is next?

Chechens, Georgians and Tatars in Russia.
Kurds in Iran, Iraq and Turkey.
Azeri Turks in Iran.
Albanians in Macedonia.

And the list goes on... Then everyone besides western powers gets divided in million pieces. They can even create a country for the left handers or for the ones who like tea instead of coffee in the morning, who knows? As much as i think this was inevitable for Kosovo after the Serbian actions but i also find this very dangerous move for many nation states. OR do they want everyone to be a part of the EU or USA? If not, then we will be divided in million pieces?

BUT i am %100 sure that no one will ever notice the Macedonians in Greece or the Turks in Cyprus.


Btw, what you told is really happened in USA few years ago. Some crazy old man in Texas put the old southerner flag from civil war days on top of his house and he said that he wants to see independent Texas from USA along with few of his friends. As far as i remember, FBI agents raided on his house, shot him dead. Case closed!

[Risto the Great]

My greatest concern is the ability of an external body to create an independent state within another country against the will of the original country in direct violation of international precedence. Sounding like a familiar tune - probably due to the fact they did a similar thing to Macedonia and who knows which country is next?

This (in my opinion) is why the court only bothered to address the issue of whether someone is allowed to declare independence rather than acknowledge an independent State.

[Vangelovski]

Firstly, if you deny the Kosovar's their right to self-government, then how does one justify Macedonian self-government?

Secondly, what authority does the ICJ (an unelected institution) hold to determine whether a people have the right to self-government or not?

[makedonche]

Onur
Quote:
"Btw, what you told is really happened in USA few years ago. Some crazy old man in Texas put the old southerner flag from civil war days on top of his house and he said that he wants to see independent Texas from USA along with few of his friends. As far as i remember, FBI agents raided on his house, shot him dead. Case closed!"

Onur
This part was the section I was hinting at most prominently - one set of rules for the USA and another set for the rest of the world - or where they can impose it! Would'nt it be nice to see the USA go and try the same thing in Tibet - stand up and support the Tibetans in their quest for an independent state/country and see what the Chinese do to them!

[makedonche]

Firstly, if you deny the Kosovar's their right to self-government, then how does one justify Macedonian self-government?

Secondly, what authority does the ICJ (an unelected institution) hold to determine whether a people have the right to self-government or not?

Tom
Good points/questions!
First one - I would have thought the Kosovar's had voting rights within Serbia (correct me if I'm wrong) which provides them their opportunity to nominate a candidate or political party and then vote for them during national elections (assuming the Serbs held democratic elections). Macedonian self government is a part of the process of having achieved independence by going from a socialist republic to a democratic republic, whereas the Kosovars are trying to create a republic/state within an existing republic/country.

Secondly:
ICJ - my definition of the acronym is international court of jest.
In my experience you don't go to court for justice, you go there for an opinion on who is more right than the other party. This court is useless and only provides a feel good factor so that the average person thinks they have somewhere to go with their grievances, a very effective method of disarming people and getting them engaged in so-called civilised discussion.

[Vangelovski]

Makedonche,

Regardless of the process, there either is an inherent right to self-government or there isn't. If you argue there isn't (and I have not come across anyone that has successfully attempted to) then we cannot justify our own cause.