The joke known as the Macedonian government continues to play jokes on the Macedonian people. One group of followers advocates replacing one set of jokers with another set of jokers. Another group of followers either doesn't understand their leaders' jokes, or ironically finds them funny. And a smaller third group thinks they don't have -- or can't muster up -- the power and ability to bring legitimacy to their country's institutions.
Soon the people will learn that comedy is only better than tragedy in the stages before it becomes tragedy, which it inevitably will.
Political Scandals and Judiciary Corruption in Macedonia
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Originally posted by DedoAleko View PostPeople will not get the whole picture if we don't add that the (back then) president bc abolished the current president of sds zz for a crime he commited in Strumica in 2012.
p.s. Not to forget the recording obtained LEGALY with police assistance where the current president of sds zz, as active mayor of Strumica municipality,asks for bribe.
The (video) recording is set to be used as evidence against Zaev in an upcoming case in the Special prosecution.
Meanwhile,protests are set to continue in front of the Constitutional Court today as well.
Last edited by DraganOfStip; 02-25-2016, 08:12 AM.
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Originally posted by DraganOfStip View Post...
Something similar happened in 2003 when then-president Boris Trajkovski pardoned Dosta Dimivska,the then-minister of interior and MOI official Aleksandar Cvetkov (all of them DPMNE members) for the "Big Ear" affair of 2001,when it was proved that the police wiretapped dozens of journalists and reporters (most of them later got reimbursed by the state in court)...
p.s. Not to forget the recording obtained LEGALY with police assistance where the current president of sds zz, as active mayor of Strumica municipality,asks for bribe.
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There were protests in front of the Constitutional Court later this day against the decision.
The United Macedonian Diaspora also condemned this act,calling it "a big step backward for Macedonia and it's people":
Според ОМД, денешното прифаќање на иницијативата на Уставниот суд за можноста за помилување по основ на низа различни сторени кривични дела вклучувајќи и изборни нерегуларности е голем чекор назад за државата и македонскиот народ.Last edited by DraganOfStip; 02-24-2016, 02:41 PM.
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These are the 5 judges that voted FOR this.
Quick sidenote: all of them are placed in the Constitutional Court during DPMNE's reign.
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Constitutional Court allows president to pardon election fraud
The Constitutional Court with 5 votes to 4 enabled the President of Macedonia to be able to pardon election fraud convicts .
Now George Ivanov has all legal power to pardon Gordana Jankulovska,Mile Janakievski and the several other officials indicted for election fraud by the Special Prosecution.
In other words, now a DPMNE member can pardon other DPMNE members for doing crime.
Something similar happened in 2003 when then-president Boris Trajkovski pardoned Dosta Dimivska,the then-minister of interior and MOI official Aleksandar Cvetkov (all of them DPMNE members) for the "Big Ear" affair of 2001,when it was proved that the police wiretapped dozens of journalists and reporters (most of them later got reimbursed by the state in court).
This only shows how deeply the judiciary in Macedonia is influenced by the ruling powers,making a decision like this just a couple of weeks after government officials were indicted of election fraud.
Grujo protecting his own,lads (the long arm of DPMNE).
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I'm not sure how anyone benefits from this. I can't envision a SDSM win, so what happens a year from now after DPMNE wins again? Will the opposition accept the defeat and come back to parliament? Will they ask for another early election? How many elections need to happen for Macedonians to stop voting for the same two idiots. This is a big waist of time if you ask me, it just takes attention away from actual problems because everyone is in non stop campaign mode. Whats the point of having an election when it will be contested after 6 months and another one demanded.
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Originally posted by sydney View PostAgree with your comments.
Both public and private organisations will always have elements of corruption - the world over. What I see as most rotten is the need for a Macedonian citizen to align with a political party in order to seek employment opportunities, or to retain existing employment. And further, this political membership seems to determine how investment is created, how planning is coordinated and how law and justice is administered.
When Macedonia stops the 'which party are you from' controlling everyday life, then perhaps there is a future.
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Originally posted by Volokin View PostAlthough this will provide stability for a few months, this will not fix the problems in the long term. If DPMNE win (which they probably will), do we think that SDSM is going to respect that decision? Zaev & SDSM are pretty set on the goal of forming government.
The issues within Macedonia are entrenched within society. The whole political scene is just a byproduct of ethnic tensions and corruption. Macedonia needs to a systematic clean out, but that's never actually going to happen.
I don't think any of us think that SDSM is going to be more or less corrupt than DPMNE so it's irrelevant whoever wins the elections. The same will continue until a new party is formed that can actually rid Macedonia of elements that are dangerous to unity.
Both public and private organisations will always have elements of corruption - the world over. What I see as most rotten is the need for a Macedonian citizen to align with a political party in order to seek employment opportunities, or to retain existing employment. And further, this political membership seems to determine how investment is created, how planning is coordinated and how law and justice is administered.
When Macedonia stops the 'which party are you from' controlling everyday life, then perhaps there is a future.
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Although this will provide stability for a few months, this will not fix the problems in the long term. If DPMNE win (which they probably will), do we think that SDSM is going to respect that decision? Zaev & SDSM are pretty set on the goal of forming government.
The issues within Macedonia are entrenched within society. The whole political scene is just a byproduct of ethnic tensions and corruption. Macedonia needs to a systematic clean out, but that's never actually going to happen.
I don't think any of us think that SDSM is going to be more or less corrupt than DPMNE so it's irrelevant whoever wins the elections. The same will continue until a new party is formed that can actually rid Macedonia of elements that are dangerous to unity.
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Macedonia to hold early elections
Macedonia to Hold Early Elections to End Political Crisis
SKOPJE, Macedonia — Jun 2, 2015, 3:20 PM ET
Johannes Hahn
EU commissioner for Neighborhood Policy & Enlargement Negotiations Johannes Hahn, center, talks for the media after his meeting with the leaders of the four most relevant parties in Macedonia at the EU Ambassador’s residence in Skopje, Macedonia, on... View Full Caption The Associated Press
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Macedonia's feuding political leaders have agreed to hold early elections by the end of April 2016 to resolve a deep political crisis, the European Union's enlargement commissioner said Tuesday.
Johannes Hahn said the final agreement is expected to be worked out at a meeting of the leaders next week in Brussels.
He spoke after talks with conservative Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski, leftist opposition head Zoran Zaev and two ethnic Albanian party leaders. The last elections were held in April last year, when Gruevski won a fourth consecutive four-year term.
The crisis in Macedonia, one of the worst since it gained independence from Yugoslavia in 1991, stems from a massive wiretap scandal that purportedly reveals corruption at the highest levels of government. The situation was exacerbated by a shootout between police and ethnic Albanian gunmen last month that left 18 dead.
Opposition parties have boycotted parliament for nearly a year, while dozens of pro- and anti-government protesters have been camping in two different central Skopje locations for almost three weeks.
"We have agreed to see a kind of transitional period, and it was agreed that by the end of April next year there should be an early election," Hahn told reporters as the four political leaders stood behind him but made no statements.
At the heart of the crisis is a cache of wiretapped conversations Zaev has been releasing gradually since January. He claims Gruevski — in power since 2006 — was behind the mass wiretapping of more than 20,000 politicians, police, journalists, judges, and others.
The conversations, which Zaev said he got from "patriots" in the domestic intelligence service, purport to reveal mismanagement of funds, spurious criminal prosecutions of opponents and even attempted cover-ups of killings.
Gruevski angrily rejects the accusations. He accuses Zaev of participating in a coup plot to overthrow his government.
Two senior government officials at the heart of the allegations, and the country's intelligence chief, resigned last month in a bid to defuse tensions.
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Interesting. Is resigning indirectly admitting to their guilt?
Mijalkov, along with Stavreski and Gruevski was a member of that extended family that has appeared to exercise a level of illegal control of the Macedonian state.
Surely these changes can only be for the better....right?
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Macedonia's prime minister accepts the resignation of two ministers and his head of intelligence amid a scandal over alleged phone-tapping.
Macedonia ministers resign amid phone-tapping scandal
13 May 2015
Macedonian Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski has accepted the resignation of two ministers and his intelligence head amid a surveillance scandal. Opposition leaders say intelligence chief Saso Mijalkov and Interior Minister Gordana Jankulovska led government attempts to control the press, judiciary and electoral officials by tapping their phones. The government denies the allegations. Clashes also erupted between ethnic Albanians and police at the weekend. Fourteen ethnic Albanians and eight police officers were killed in fighting that followed a police raid on an ethnic Albanian neighbourhood in the northern town of Kumanovo.
Conservative leader Mr Gruevski did not give a reason for the resignations of Interior Minister Ms Jankulovska, Transport Minister Mile Janakieski or intelligence chief Mr Mijalkov, who is also his cousin. Mr Mijalkov, in a resignation letter, said he hoped his departure would "help in overcoming the political crisis imposed by the opposition". Western diplomats say the government's failure to investigate the surveillance scandal casts "serious doubts" on the government's commitment to democratic values. Macedonia, which is a candidate for European Union membership, is facing increasing unrest. The opposition and government have accused each other of deliberately destabilising the country. Since February, opposition leader Zoran Zaev has been releasing leaked recordings, amid concerns about the government's apparently authoritarian leanings. Anti-government protests broke out last week after leaked conversations allegedly revealed that important details in a 2011 murder case had been covered up. Demonstrators say they will take to the streets on Sunday to demand the prime minister's resignation.
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Originally posted by Toska View Post
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