Political Scandals and Judiciary Corruption in Macedonia

[Gocka]

This is where he loses all credibility for me. The last thing any sane person should want is the "international community" getting involved, the same "International Community" that is waging a dozen wars around the globe all why "helping" some on or the other. No thank you STAY OUT. Even if Gruevski needs to be ousted, we can do it from with in.

Zaev has previously said the crisis could not be resolved "without interference of the international community".

[Volokin]

Macedonia PM accused of taking USD 22 million bribe
AFP | Skopje
March 27, 2015 Last Updated at 01:02 IST

Macedonian opposition leader Zoran Zaev today accused conservative Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski of accepting a USD 22 million bribe from Chinese firms to grant them motorways construction concessions.

"This is one of the biggest corruption scandals not only in our country but in the whole region," Zaev, head of the main opposition SDSM party, told a press conference.

Zaev accused Gruevski of awarding the construction of two highway sections to Chinese firms without a tender.

The total value of works carried out on the western Kicevo-Ohrid highway and the eastern Miladinovci-Stip motorway was estimated at 570 million euros, Zaev said.

The deal was backed by parliament last October.

Recent bitter exchanges between the government and the opposition have pushed the former Yugoslav republic into a deep political crisis this year.

In January, the government filed a complaint against Zaev and several other people for espionage and violence against officials.

The opposition leader rejected the allegations and in turn accused the government of wiretapping at least 20,000 people, including politicians, journalists and religious leaders.

Earlier this month, Zaev called on the prime minister to resign, form an interim government and organise "fair and democratic" early elections.

European Union officials have expressed concern over the "deteriorated political dialogue" in Macedonia, and called for a thorough investigation.

Zaev has previously said the crisis could not be resolved "without interference of the international community".

Meanwhile, local media reported that government and opposition representatives were expected to hold EU-mediated talks on Monday in Brussels to address the crisis.

The Socialists have been boycotting the Macedonian parliament for almost a year, alleging electoral fraud during early polls held in April 2014.

The next parliamentary elections are due in 2018.

The Balkan country obtained EU candidate status in 2005, but is yet to begin accession talks.

http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/macedonia-pm-accused-of-taking-usd-22-million-bribe-115032700046_1.html

[Gocka]

Why doesn't SDSM send them out to be verified, that way if a third part confirms that the recordings are not fakes they will gain more legitimacy.

[ramo]

There was one audio recording 1 year ago also the prime minister involved. They did not wanted expertise to be done on the recording in foreign independent institution although the opposition and part of the public asked it to be done . The public prosecutor did nothing even though it is his constitutional and lawful obligation. He is also relative with some of the highest ranked people in the government so it will be foolish to expect that now they will do that. The recordings today were very interesting, anybody interested can hear them if he spend 3 seconds using google search.

[Gocka]

This whole thing can be solved very quickly. If the recordings are in fact fakes that have taken bits and pieces of real recordings and spliced them together, then its pretty easy to check them. No matter how well they are made, if they were tested by specialists, they can tell by the background noise when two different recordings have been merged into one. If VMRO and co want to absolve themselves then just send out the recordings to and independent 3rd party for testing and see if they are manipulated.

[George S.]

they really have gone mad.

[DraganOfStip]

Interview that Zaev did for German media Deutsche Welle:

http://www.dw.de/%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2-%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D1%98%D0%B0-%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B8-%D0%B2%D0%BE-%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE-%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%98%D0%B0-%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE-%D0%B7%D0%B0-%D0%B4%D0%B0-%D1%81%D0%B5-%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B8/a-18335733?maca=maz-rss-maz-pol_makedonija_timemk-4727-xml-mrss

[ramo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z90phKUPrn0&t=10

This is video from today protest and attempt to enter the Macedonian national TV which refuses to publish the conversations.

[DraganOfStip]

Transcripts from today's press release,showing DPMNE party members "arranging" indictments/acquittals with judges,electing judges and prosecutors etc:

http://novatv.mk/index.php?navig=8&cat=2&vest=21055

[Gocka]

What I cant figure out is why no one in Macedonia is taking the bugging scandal seriously. To be honest it looks like no one believes it. Apart from staunch SDSM supporters, no one is taking it seriously.

[George S.]

From what I have heard gruevski's numbers seem to be up.He is a very hated and disliked person.People say how much he has deceived them and pulled the rug from under them.

[DraganOfStip]

Here are transcripts of bugged phone calls from today's press conference:

http://novatv.mk/index.php?navig=8&cat=2&vest=21025

[ramo]

Ramo,

Ako ti e polesno mozime i po nase da razgovarame, bas razgovorov mi e interesn deka e tesko vamu od CAD da najdis dobri informaci. Ako baras vesti samo po ovije golemi stanici kako Sitel mojs da najdis. Me interesira so Angelov so se desi, znam se bunese deka na MTV ne gi imet ni spomnato snimanite razgovori, pa vetil deka nekako ke gi donesel toj na javnoswt preku MRTV. A setne nesto se desilo ne go pustale natre vo zgradata? Znam so im mu e celta na Angelov ama so mu e na MTV izgovorot, zosto ne go pustet?

A me interesira od kade mislis snimkive se originalno snimani? Mislis vladava sami se imet snimano ili kako? Nemoj da mislis deka nekako gi podrzavam na VMRO deka absolutno ne e taka, bas mi e milo ako padnat od vlas radi ova, ama ova morat da e vistina i morat na krajot grajganite da odlucet koj ke bidit na vlas, a ne nekako Zaev da se piknit bez da imat izbori.

So mislis za Angelov? Ako bi moral da odberam nekoj od poznatite za da prezemi bi rekol Angelov.

Ne e deka ne go pushat vnatre. Toj saka da gi pushtat razgovorite da gi slushnat gragjanite pa sami da odluchat. 4-te najgolemi makedonski televizii nemaat pushteno nishto. Nekoj ke reche mozhat shto sakaat da pushtaat ama ne e taka. Po zakon ne smeat da dezinformiraat. Eve go zakonot

http://www.ujp.gov.mk/files/attachment/0000/0475/Zakon_za_radiodifuzna_dejnost_13-12_od_27_01_2012.pdf

Радио и телевизиските програми се темелат врз следниве принципи:
- право на слободен прием и пренесување на информации и право на слобода на изразување;

This is about the MRT national TV .

Заради остварување на јавниот интерес МРТ е должна:
- да обезбеди програмите што се произведуваат и емитуваат да бидат заштитени од какво и да е влијание на власта, политички организации или центри на економска моќ;

- да обезбеди информирање за регионалните и локалните посебности и настани во Република Македонија;

МРТ е должна при создавањето и емитувањето на програмите да ги почитува професионалните принципи и на различните интереси во општеството да им обезбеди рамноправен пристап, да се залага за слободата и плурализмот на изразување на јавното мислење, како и да спречи каков било облик на расна, верска, национална, етничка и друга нетрпеливост.



Na MTV izgovorot mu e deka po preporaka na javen obvinitel (prosecutor) ne gi pushta snimkite bidejki bile del od policiska istraga, a istata televizija i Sitel (Shitel) pushtaat snimki od youtube koi isto se del od policiska istraga snimeni vo kabinetot na Gruevski koi mislat deka im se vo prilog.



I ushte edno da dodadam. Go pochituvam pravoto na sekoj gragjanin da bide podrzhuvach na bilo koja partija, ako ti si za vmro toa e tvoe sveto pravo. Vazhno e site da ja slushnat vistinata pa ako odberat da podrzhuvaat partii na vlast sekoj toa kje go pochituva, jas bi bil prv. Zaev iako mislam deka e profiter i mozhebi kriminalec, sepak imashe hrabrost da prezentira pred javnosta fakti za koi povekjeto lugje ne bea svesni iako site se svesni deka mozhe da go chini zatvor ili zhivot ushte polosho.

A za snimkite , mislam deka e logichna teorijata na komunistite deka site lugje gi imaat staveno na prislushuvanje. Logichno e bidejki toa objasnuva kako odednash site televizii zastanaa na strana na vlasta. Mislam deka se kupeni so uceni od nivni privatni razgovori. Toa gi objasnuva i neochekuvanite preminuvanja na luti protivnici na vlasta vo redovite na vmro dpmne i sedenjeto vo prvi redovi na partiski mitinzi iako do pred nekoe vreme bea ostri kritizeri na vlasta.

Za Angelov mislam deka e mozhebi eden od retkite politichari vo Makedonija shto zboruva toa shto go misli ne ja lazhe javnosta.

[Gocka]

Ramo,

Ako ti e polesno mozime i po nase da razgovarame, bas razgovorov mi e interesn deka e tesko vamu od CAD da najdis dobri informaci. Ako baras vesti samo po ovije golemi stanici kako Sitel mojs da najdis. Me interesira so Angelov so se desi, znam se bunese deka na MTV ne gi imet ni spomnato snimanite razgovori, pa vetil deka nekako ke gi donesel toj na javnoswt preku MRTV. A setne nesto se desilo ne go pustale natre vo zgradata? Znam so im mu e celta na Angelov ama so mu e na MTV izgovorot, zosto ne go pustet?

A me interesira od kade mislis snimkive se originalno snimani? Mislis vladava sami se imet snimano ili kako? Nemoj da mislis deka nekako gi podrzavam na VMRO deka absolutno ne e taka, bas mi e milo ako padnat od vlas radi ova, ama ova morat da e vistina i morat na krajot grajganite da odlucet koj ke bidit na vlas, a ne nekako Zaev da se piknit bez da imat izbori.

So mislis za Angelov? Ako bi moral da odberam nekoj od poznatite za da prezemi bi rekol Angelov.

[Gocka]

Like I said the claim is out there, so far nothing what anyone has said has been verified by any neutral party.

I also saw the report about Angelov earlier but didn't have a chance to post a link.

Its interesting, MTV came out and claimed that they had no hand in what happened to the radio 103 voditel. Yet in the recording you can clearly hear the security guard tell the guy show me your ID or come with me right in the middle of a live recording.

Was Angelov supposed to be on the radio? I know Angelov was denied entry into MRTV but why, what is the justification for not letting him in?